Why Don’t Jews Like the Christians Who Like Them?

[Rainbow]

Quote by: righthand Why Don’t Jews Like the Christians Who Like Them?

I (personally) do not even excersize my mind whether some guys like me or do not.
(No one needs to like me :-) )
Therefore, it is irrelevant (to me), whether they represent particular nation or religious and/or non-religious approach.

[righthand]

Please provide an exact quote of what Lieberman said and how he supported deportation of Israeli Arabs? The quote should of course come from reliable source not poorpalestinains.com that you usually from it.

Leaving aside the normal personal insult to my integrity...

Lieberman worked as a nightclub bouncer in Moldavia and as a broadcaster in Baku, Azerbaijan before emigrating to Israel in 1978 at the age of 21.

In late May 2004, proposed a plan in which the populations and territories of Jews and Arabs, including some Israeli Arabs, would be "separated". According to the plan, Israeli Arab town adjacent to Palestinian Authority areas would be transferred to Palestinian Authority, and only those Arabs who felt a connection with the State of Israel and were loyal to it would be allowed to remain. On May 30 Prime Minister Ariel Sharon condemned Lieberman's statements, stating "We regard Israeli Arabs as part of the State of Israel." On 4 June 2004, as the disputes over the up-coming disengagement plan grew more intense, Sharon dismissed Lieberman from the cabinet. Lieberman is the leader of Yisrael Beiteinu, a party largely consisting of immigrants from the former Soviet Union countries.

Allegations of anti-Arab racism

In 2002, at the height of the Palestinian al-Aqsa Intifada, the Israeli daily Yedioth Ahronoth quoted Lieberman in a Cabinet meeting saying that the Palestinians should be given an ultimatum that "At 8am we'll bomb all the commercial centers...at noon we'll bomb their gas stations...at two we'll bomb their banks....” In 2003, Ha'aretz reported that Lieberman called for thousands of Palestinian prisoners held by Israel to be drowned in the Dead Sea and offered to provide the buses to take them there. In May 2004, he said that 90% of Israel's one million Arabs would "have to find a new Arab entity" in which to live beyond Israel's borders. "They have no place here. They can take their bundles and get lost," he said.

This man is acknowledged even by Zionist to be a rabid racist. Only another racist would not see the wood from the trees and not recognize a fellow racist.

Ethnic Cleansing and Racism in Israel

Many moderate Israeli's considered Lieberman's overt anti-Arab racism troublesome upon his being brought back into the government again after being ousted in 2004 during Ariel Sharon's time in office. According to a BBC profile in October 2006:

"In the past, Mr. Lieberman has accused some Arab parliamentarians in Israel of being Nazi collaborators for meeting members of the Palestinian militant group Hamas. He said they should be charged with treason. 'Lieberman has racist overtones when he addresses Arab issues,' says Yossi Alpher, a political analyst. 'He's not subtle, he's blustery, and he's not a strategic thinker. 'He readily advocates force to resolve complex issues. In Israel he tends to be scorned by most Israelis but he's a skilful demagogue who has built a strong following.'"

The BBC report also notes that Haaretz reported at the time that Lieberman was so overt "his unbridled tongue, comparable only to those of Iran's president, are liable to bring disaster down upon the entire region." There's a lot more. Will I?



Lieberman is seen as one of Israel's most controversial politicians. The right-wing nationalist advocates the expulsion from Israel of some of the country's Arab citizens.

MAD DOG!

[shrike]

Quote by: wiki According to the plan, Israeli Arab town adjacent to Palestinian Authority areas would be transferred to Palestinian Authority, and only those Arabs who felt a connection with the State of Israel and were loyal to it would be allowed to remain

He didn't mean any physical transfer like you claimed. He wanted to transfer Arab cities to Palestinians. Why it’s wrong?

This man is acknowledged even by Zionist to be a rabid racist. Only another racist would not see the wood from the trees and not recognize a fellow racist. Ethnic Cleansing and Racism in Israel Many moderate Israeli's considered Lieberman's overt anti-Arab racism troublesome upon his being brought back into the government again after being ousted in 2004 during Ariel Sharon's time in office. According to a BBC profile in October 2006:

Well you see you admit yourself that he is an extremist and you can’t judge the whole country based on views of one man.

"his unbridled tongue, comparable only to those of Iran's president, are liable to bring disaster down upon the entire region

The only difference that Iran actually have such President.

[righthand]

Quote by: shrike He didn't mean any physical transfer like you claimed. He wanted to transfer Arab cities to Palestinians. Why it’s wrong?

I claimed nothing. I let others make the claim about his racism. I did say ...

This man is acknowledged even by Zionist to be a rabid racist. Only another racist would not see the wood from the trees and not recognize a fellow racist.

... which now seems more important given your denial.

Quote by: shrike Well you see you admit yourself that he is an extremist and you can’t judge the whole country based on views of one man.

Do you know what your position is? This is like quicksand. Getting you to admit that he was a racist extremist was the point. Are you convinced now? You asked me to supply the information on him! Remember, with the personal insult?

Please provide an exact quote of what Lieberman said and how he supported deportation of Israeli Arabs? The quote should of course come from reliable source not poorpalestinains.com that you usually from it.

and that despite my earlier ...

What right does another have to disparage my sources if on occasions they are Arab? How fascist must a person be to believe that they get to judge another's sources? Would Goebbels be in it ...

Quote by: shrike The only difference that Iran actually have such President.

I'm guessing that this is ..
The only difference [is] that Iran actually [does] have such [a] President. ... whatever that might mean.

As against the Step-a-side rapist previous president that you had! What was his name again. I'm sure we'll find him here under Step-a-side!

Didn't the Iran president do well in New York?

[shrike]

Quote by: Allegdly by Leiberman "They have no place here. They can take their bundles and get lost," he said.

That quote quite disturbed me. Because I never heard of him to say such thing. So I decided to cheek it out.
The source given by Wikipedia is this
http://imeu.net/news/article003471.shtml
IMEU I wonder what organist ion is that? According to wiki

Institute for Middle East Understanding (IMEU) is a non-profit organisation that provides access to information about Palestine and the Palestinians to reporters and journalists. Despite having been started as late as 2005, IMEU has had commentaries published in mainstream media and have help journalists come in contect with Palestinian spokespeople[1] Anti-Defamation League has called IMEU a "pro-Palestinian Group".[2]. Institute for Middle East Understanding - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So its hard to except neutrality from Palestinian group toward right wing Israeli politician.
But its not primary source it gives a link to other source INFORMATION CLEARING HOUSE. NEWS, COMMENTARY & INSIGHT
Well its quite strange and obscure site it even doesn’t try to strive to neutrality its agenda and bias are quite open.
The Internet full of hoax phrases on I/P confilict for example to verify such contrevesal phrase we really need a good souce.

So I still waiting

Quote by: shrike Please provide an exact quote of what Lieberman said and how he supported deportation of Israeli Arabs? The quote should of course come from reliable source not poorpalestinains.com that you usually from

You failed to do so.

[righthand]

Quote by: shrike That quote quite disturbed me. Because I never heard of him to say such thing. So I decided to cheek it out. The source given by Wikipedia is this IMEU: Avigdor Lieberman: Olmert's newest colleague IMEU I wonder what organisation is that? According to wiki So its hard to except neutrality from Palestinian group toward right wing Israeli politician. But its not primary source it gives a link to other source INFORMATION CLEARING HOUSE. NEWS, COMMENTARY & INSIGHT Well its quite strange and obscure site it even doesn’t try to strive to neutrality its agenda and bias are quite open. The Internet full of hoax phrases on I/P conflict for example to verify such contrevesal phrase we really need a good source.

Good work, if pointless.

And, as a coup de grace, he has recently demanded the execution for treason of any Arab parliamentarian who talks to the Palestinian leadership in the occupied territories or commemorates Nakba Day, which marks the expulsion and permanent dispossession of the Palestinian people in 1948. That would include every elected representative of Israel’s Arab population. These are Lieberman’s official positions. Apparently unofficially he wants even worse measures taken against Palestinians, both inside Israel and in the occupied territories. In May 2004, for example, he told a crowd of his supporters, in Russian, that 90 per cent of the country’s Arab citizens should be expelled. “They have no place here. They can take their bundles and get lost.” His speech could have had second billing with one by Adolf Hitler at a Nuremberg Rally.

Is there anything within the source that you can disagree with? Why then would you choose to dispute this one quote. I'm sure you don't speak Russian? All the other sources quoted by Wiki check out. All prove what a rat bag he is. You choose to dispute only one. In any type of match, I WIN! Remember again ...

What right does another have to disparage my sources if on occasions they are Arab? How fascist must a person be to believe that they get to judge another's sources? Would Goebbels be in it ...

It a bit like the Iranian president's supposed call to eliminate Israel, do you reckon? 4.5 to .5, a fair result. To me.

[shrike]

Is there anything within the source that you can disagree with? Why then would you choose to dispute this one quote. I'm sure you don't speak Russian? All the other sources quoted by Wiki check out. All prove what a rat bag he is. You choose to dispute only one. In any type of match, I WIN! Remember again ...

Because only this quote was a real answer to my request.

Quote by: shrike Please provide an exact quote of what Lieberman said and how he supported deportation of Israeli Arabs? The quote should of course come from reliable source not poorpalestinains.com that you usually from

And this coming from really dubious site with certain agenda. So I have every right to doubt it. How would you respond if I would source my facts from weloveisrael.com

[righthand]

Quote by: shrike Because only this quote was a real answer to my request.

I had numerous quotes that you had no problem with, prove the point. You only had aproblem with one from Wiki!

Quote by: shrike And this coming from really dubious site with certain agenda. So I have every right to doubt it. How would you respond if I would source my facts from weloveisrael.com

If weloveisrael.com had 20 points that were supported elsewhere as bona fide and it had one with no other supporting source, why not use the evidence of the 20 to accept the 21 as very likely true? Are you suggesting that it's the name of the site rather than the content that decides for you?

I don't expect you to get this, so I'll leave it to others to judge if Leiberman is a fascist racist or not. The world and Israel have already made this judgement. You missed ...

As against the Step-a-side rapist previous president that you had! What was his name again. I'm sure we'll find him here under Step-a-side! Didn't the Iran president do well in New York?

Will I look it up for you?

[Nono]

Quote by: Sonart .. Hitler's pal, the Mufti of Jerusalem ...

Well, here's Charles Lindbergh with good ol' Hermann Göring. Of course, I could use this photo to bolster the case that Americans are all a bunch of Jew-hating Nazi sympathizers, couldn't I?

[shrike]

I had numerous quotes that you had no problem with, prove the point. You only had aproblem with one from Wiki!

No the other quotes didn't have anything about Arab transfer.

If weloveisrael.com had 20 points that were supported elsewhere as bona fide and it had one with no other supporting source, why not use the evidence of the 20 to accept the 21 as very likely true? Are you suggesting that it's the name of the site rather than the content that decides for you?

Ok what other sites collaborate you "quote"?

I don't expect you to get this, so I'll leave it to others to judge if Leiberman is a fascist racist or not

Please show me where did I say anything about that.Please stop with straw-mans.

[shrike]

Quote by: nono Well, here's Charles Lindbergh with good ol' Hermann Göring

Did Charles Lindbergh was some kind of American leader?

[Nono]

Nah, just a gargantually popular national hero -- hugely influential.

And, comin' right back at ya shrike: Was the Grand bloody Mufti of Jerusalem a national leader?

[shrike]

Quote by: nono Nah, just a gargantually popular national hero -- hugely influential.

Well maybe you do have a point the Nazism was widespread around Europe and US.I am sure if Hitler hadn't started a war no one would care less about his death camps.

Was the Grand bloody Mufti of Jerusalem a national leader?

Yes of course
Mohammad Amin al-Husayni - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mohammad Amin al-Husayni (1895 - July 4, 1974, أمين الحسيني, alternatively transliterated al-Husseini),a member of the al-Husayni clan of Jerusalem, was a Palestinian and Arab nationalist and a Muslim leader in Palestine. Al-Husayni was also the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem over the period from 1921 to 1948.

[Sonart]

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Quote by: Nono Well, here's Charles Lindbergh with good ol' Hermann Göring. Of course, I could use this photo to bolster the case that Americans are all a bunch of Jew-hating Nazi sympathizers, couldn't I?

Many were, including such notables as Charles Lindbergh and Henry Ford. Lindbergh was infamous for his 'America First' efforts to stay out of WWII and his racism.

--"Lindbergh was suspected of being a Nazi sympathizer because of his numerous scientific expeditions to Nazi Germany, combined with a belief in eugenics. President Franklin Delano Roosevelt considered him a Nazi and banned him from rejoining the military. Lindbergh's subsequent combat missions as a civilian consultant restored his reputation after the public found out about them, but only to an extent. However, his Pulitzer Prize-winning biographer, A. Scott Berg, contends that Lindbergh was not so much a supporter of the Nazi regime as someone so stubborn in his convictions and relatively inexperienced in political maneuvering that he easily allowed rivals to portray him as one. Lindbergh's receipt of the German medal was approved without objection by the American embassy; the war had not yet begun in Europe. Indeed, the award did not cause controversy until the war began and Lindbergh returned to the United States in 1939 to spread his message of non-intervention.

A. Scott Berg similarly contends that Lindbergh's views were commonplace in the United States in the pre-World War II era. Lindbergh's support for the America First Committee was representative of the sentiments of a number of American people. His anti-Communism resonated deeply with many Americans. Eugenics and Nordicism enjoyed much social acceptance,[14] and other notable enthusiasts of such ideas included Theodore Roosevelt,[15] Winston Churchill[16] and George S. Patton.[17] Lindbergh's political views were complex, and revealed both consistencies and inconsistencies with those of the Nazis. For instance, Lindbergh avowed a belief in American democracy.[18] However, he clearly stated elsewhere that he believed the survival of the white race was more important than the survival of democracy in Europe: "Our bond with Europe is one of race and not of political ideology," he declared.[19] He had, however, a relatively positive attitude toward blacks[20] (something that was scheduled to be fully revealed in an undelivered speech interrupted by the events that followed the bombing of Pearl Harbor[21]). Critics have noticed an apparent influence of German philosopher Oswald Spengler's ideas on Lindbergh's thinking.[22] Controversial and widely read throughout Western World during the interwar era, Spengler was conservative and authoritarian, but eventually fell out of favor with the Nazis because he did not wholly subscribe to their theories of racial purity."--

One could argue that Lindbergh's racism was not a motivating factor in his sympathies with the Nazi regime, which was more about favoring nordic cultures over the Communist Soviets and keeping America out of wars in which he felt we didn't belong. I don't think one could argue the same about the Mufti of Jerusalem, who was obviously violently anti-Jewish.

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[grandpa]

Quote by: Sonart . Many were, including such notables as Charles Lindbergh and Henry Ford. Lindbergh was infamous for his 'America First' efforts to stay out of WWII and his racism.

ITT corporation designed and built Nazi phone and radio systems and supplied crucial parts for German
bombs.

The great Nigerian 'afro-beat' musician Fel Kuti wrote a song about ITT. He called them "International Thief Thief."

Grandpa h.

[Nono]

Quote by: Sonart One could argue that Lindbergh's racism was not a motivating factor in his sympathies with the Nazi regime, which was more about favoring nordic cultures over the Communist Soviets and keeping America out of wars in which he felt we didn't belong. I don't think one could argue the same about the Mufti of Jerusalem, who was obviously violently anti-Jewish.

Well, we could go round and round on this one for ever and ever, I suppose. Who wasn't anti-Jewish in those days?

I have no information on the Grand M's personal views on the Jews. What I do know is that growing numbers of Jews had been arriving in his territory for over half a century, and that there had been increasingly bloody clashes between them and local Arabs (many of whom were Christians, as you know)

The Mufti -- not unreasonably -- thought this might just have something to do with the Balfour Declaration and the British mandate. And Hitler was at war with Britain. And my enemy's enemy is my friend.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Nono Well, we could go round and round on this one for ever and ever, I suppose. Who wasn't anti-Jewish in those days? I have no information on the Grand M's personal views on the Jews. What I do know is that growing numbers of Jews had been arriving in his territory for over half a century, and that there had been increasingly bloody clashes between them and local Arabs (many of whom were Christians, as you know) The Mufti -- not unreasonably -- thought this might just have something to do with the Balfour Declaration and the British mandate. And Hitler was at war with Britain. And my enemy's enemy is my friend.

And of course why you don't know is that tens of thousands of Arabs from neighboring countries immigrated to the territories and declared themselves Palestinians. Jewish immigration was restricted by both the Ottomans and the British. Although during the British rule immigration of Arabs was not restricted at all.

[Nono]

Source please.

[shrike]

The Smoking Gun: Arab Immigration into Palestine, 1922-1931 - Middle East Quarterly

[Sonart]

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Quote by: Nono Well, we could go round and round on this one for ever and ever, I suppose. Who wasn't anti-Jewish in those days?

Just so. Being a national hero never guaranteed flawless politics or character for anyone, especially in different times under different standards. Founding fathers who supported the slave trade, frontiersmen who slaughtered indians and wildlife, nation builders who conquered and stole land wholesale from weaker nations.

Which is why, in a world in which every peoples everywhere is likely living on land their forefathers conquered from someone else, the concept of Zionism is the most poetically just force of history I can imagine. A small group of people who, unlike Christians and Moslems, never sought empire and never tried to convert the world to their faith, were conquered by the super-power of the day and scattered to across Europe, to be, at best, barely tolerated for their education and skills and, at worst, harshly discriminated against and periodlicaly purged...

...even HERE, in the land of the free and the home of the brave, where all men are created equal and people are free to practice the religion of their choice.

But like you said... back then, who wasn't anti-semetic?

Until Hitler brought it all to a giant, crashing crescendo in the greatest single act of genocide in the history of mankind. Given all that... and that even in America "who wasn't anti-semetic"... well, by gawd, it's an overwhelmingly proven fact that in this world, no one's going to protect the Jews but the Jews, and the only way this can never happen again is if they take back their small, ancient homeland and defend it to the death from whoever tries to take it.

The Moslem Arabs are suffering more from each other than anyone else. They have the entire mideast, and have generally made a shambles of it. The only reason they demand Israel back is pride, but then, damaged egos and pride is all they seem to have.

Besides oil.

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