Why Don’t Jews Like the Christians Who Like Them?

[Sonart]

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Quote by: righthand You chose to totally distort my words and worse attempted to enter a fraudulent entry purporting to be mine.

Oh please... you whine like a little girl. Responding to your post, I quoted the definitive statment -- "Zionists were responsible for the Holocaust" -- to which you stated that, thanks to those links, you now agreed with it.

(...and to which I asked, and you haven't answered, if you ACTUALLY believe the premise of the link you and I quoted, that the Holocaust was GOD'S punishment of the Jews for disobeying parts of the Talmud that forbade them from returning to Israel before GOD instructed them to, because it was GOD'S punishment that forced them to leave Israel in the first place, for unspecified sins? You agree with that, do you?)

I then stated...

"Keep this up and you're going to paint a picture of yourself that even Nono won't side with."

So how exactly did I distort your words? If you AGREE that Zionists were responsible for the Holocaust, then my comment was completely accurate... "you're going to paint yourself into a position even Nono won't side with."

You don't agree that Zionists were responsible for the Holocaust, do you, Nono?

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[GHook93]

Yes the Evangenicals are "friends" to Israel, but they are hardly friends to the Jews! As Ann Coulter put it, "Christians are perfected Jews!" "America would be much better off if everyone was Jewish!"

They support Israel, because they believe that Jews will bring the end of days, in which Jesus returns to Earth slays all the non-believers and brings all the Christians to Heaven.

As I believe this to be absurd (as I believe I do in the belief of any higher power, whether it be the Muslim, Jewish, Christian's etc. God), I relish their support of Israel, but I am very wary of towards their friendship of the American Jew!

Most American Jews, believe it or not, care more about America, than Israel, that is why many of them shun the Evangenicals and Republicans!

[Suburbanite]

Just stop talking about Jews and they'll start to assimilate. the young ones dont care, and the wave of not caring will only increase as they are ignored. maybe if we're lucky we'll just be left with an ancient tribe of atheists

[GHook93]

Quote by: Suburbanite Just stop talking about Jews and they'll start to assimilate. the young ones dont care, and the wave of not caring will only increase as they are ignored. maybe if we're lucky we'll just be left with an ancient tribe of atheists

First, the Jews not assimilating is one of the oldest forms of anti-semitism. Its not true at all. It is a horrible demonstration of ignorance. Yes like much like every other religion Jewish parents want Jews to marry other Jews. There is nothing wrong with that. However, most Jewish parents won't condemn a Jewish child who marries out of the faith.

Second, some young ones don't care, but I would beg to differ that the majority don't care.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Nono The answer is in the last paragraph of your linked article. These "Christian" wackjobs view Israel as a means to an end. It isn't that they 'like Jews' -- they don't. They can? I doubt it. They support Israel, not Jews, and sure as hell not liberal Jews. Jews, on the other hand, have a history of support for liberal public policy in the US, and elsewhere. They therefore undestandably have no use for a gang of redneck zealots. And if American Jews are historically sympathetic to the cause of American Blacks, that's probably also because of the bigotry they themselves have faced.

Well put Nono. I think you hit the mark

[GHook93]

Quote by: righthand . So America got the liberal intelligent Jews, Israel belatedly got the dregs of Europe including Russia and the wackjobs are to support the Israeli state! Even more complicated for simple wackos!

You know very little about Israel with this statement! Israel has a large liberal and secular movement. What you easily ignore is that after the '48 independence, the Arab states expelled 1 million Jews, who all came to Israel.

What about the redneck zealots in Israel in their extraordinary garb that make Muslims look positively modern?

What an ignorant statement! Both towards the Jews and Muslims!

[GHook93]

Quote by: righthand Agreed and if you were smart liberal Jew would you have trust into the future when you see some of the racial difficulties there are? If I were a liberal American Jew I'd sleep better after a black person had served the full four years as president. And if I was a liberal Jew I'd prefer if the so called Christians really believed in Jesus Christ and not some retributionist and revelation prophecy rubbish, none of which has ever come true, but is encouraged by the Zionists for their own ends. Complicated!

Your problem is you believe Republicans are all nutjobs. I am an America first and Jewish a far second. I support fiscal conservatism (I could give a damn about social conservatism) and that is why I support the Republicans.

A just as I would never want Liberman as the President, I would never want Obama! It has nothing to do with race and obviously not with religion. Rather it has to do with their fiscal, welfare state, big brother policies, to which I don't and will never believe in!

Obama was rated the most liberal Democrat in the Senate. What that means is Big government, high taxes, more corporate regulations, more control of our lives and more waste pork barrels. Romney, McCain, Hunter, Guiliani, Tancredo, Paul, even Thompson were not the religious nuts you make them out to be. Brownbach and Huckabee are different stories!

[GHook93]

Quote by: Nono It's a problem for enlightened American Jews, admittedly. There's at least one example on this board (I won't name him since I'm not 100% certain). He's liberal, decent, very well informed -- certainly no redneck. And he can see both sides of the Palestine issue. But he just can't quite free himself of that tribal allegiance, and ends up being lopsidedly pro-Israel, meaning that he somehow always finds a way of justifying Israeli conduct, or at least throwing up his hands and blaming it all on the Arabs. I can see why it isn't easy.

Thanks, I love complements!

[righthand]

quote by: Sonart 18 Quote by: righthand Turncoats often feel that they have to try harder to prove themselves in their public utterances so they are never trusted by either side. Turncoat? Against who am I a turncoat?

Have you jumped to wrong conclusions again. I stated a truism about turncoats. At no point did I call you one. If you jumped to a wrong conclusion, that is your problem.

By your response "against who am I a turncoat?" you obviously feel that you are a turncoat or else the smart thing would be not to ask about you being a turncoat. Personally I don't know you well enough to know, but I do believe there is a major conflict of loyalty between a loyal American and a full blown Zionist! Serve two master?!

Quote by: righthand 14 ...this same person comes to the conclusion that the victim, the Arabs are at fault.

From this you and your other Zionist contributor went into a lengthy rant that was TOTALLY OFF TOPIC covering the usual blame the victim for the entire Israel-Arab difficulties. Although reported, there was no action.


If I quote some ones words there is NO WAY that you can claim that I espouse those words. My quoting Bush could never be construed as my supporting him or his words. If you can get this then there is no hope for you. Have you gotten away with this before? On this forum? Surely you know that you cannot attribute to a quoter, words spoken by another, as being the ideas or words of the quoter. Worse, in you case you even reassembled the words to suit your purposes.

How can any forum take itself seriously if this type of deception is allowed? Deliberately misquoting another is, IMO, undermining of any credibility of any forum has. Dishonesty in quoting is the BIG SIN. Can we have HONESTY?

[Matt W]

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[shrike]

Ok so please explain to us what was you point in quoting this???

[Sonart]

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never mind.


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[righthand]

Quote by: Suburbanite Just stop talking about Jews and they'll start to assimilate. the young ones dont care, and the wave of not caring will only increase as they are ignored. maybe if we're lucky we'll just be left with an ancient tribe of atheists

How true. And yet the recent incident with the swastika in NY might indicate that there's some way to go yet.

Caught in False-Flag: Jewish Student put up Swastikas
NBC4

Jewish College Student Fakes Hate Crime: Admits To Drawing Swastikas On Her Door
...and my own...
Another Hate Crime at Columbia University

Quote by: righthand

Other possibilities:- 1.He/she did it themselves. Needing personal attention. 2.A group did it themselves. Jealousy of the usual attention going instead to blacks (Jena 6). 3. Someone took someone's boy/girl friend, someone's money, respect, anything you wish but enough to want to put in a little scare and the noose idea clicked as the way to go. 4. Someone's idea of a great joke, especially at Halloween. 5. Well if I thought long enough I'd have more plausible reasons but have I enough to be going on with? I saw details on CNN last night of real black men hanging dead in a noose. The only similar images that I've seen is of Russian peasants hung by the score by the Nazis. The flush of nooses lately may not be very serious but do others always have to jump on the band wagon with their victim cry.

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I am obviously not expressing myself clearly. First the joining together of nooses and swastikas is what I find disturbing. No swastikas killed anyone IN America. Nooses did. Many.

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White America never embraced its own victims like it did embrace Europe's victims, who are still exploiting their victimhood status since to the detriment of the Arabs. I could spell this out much more clearly if you have difficulty understanding me, but as my reply was about black victimhood, I'd prefer to stay with that. And this returns me to my starting point. I suspected early on that one way of diverting attention away from RACISM was to confuse it with 'antiSemitism'. And it happened on cue. The usual culprits, the professional victims, could not share the limelight with the amateur black victims, not even once. And on cue before there was any outcome of any proper investigations, there were the usual soft sympathisers jumping in prematurely, showing their support for the professional victims and notably, none for the amateurs.

[shrike]

Quote by: righthand How true. And yet the recent incident with the swastika in NY might indicate that there's some way to go yet.

Wow. Some student girl wanted attention. What you point really. Or it’s again the generalization game?

[righthand]

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White America never embraced its own victims like it did embrace Europe's victims, who are still exploiting their victimhood status since to the detriment of the Arabs.

And this returns me to my starting point. I suspected early on that one way of diverting attention away from RACISM was to confuse it with 'antiSemitism'. And it happened on cue.

The usual culprits, the professional victims, could not share the limelight with the amateur black victims, not even once. And on cue before there was any outcome of any proper investigations, there were the usual soft sympathisers jumping in prematurely, showing their support for the professional victims and notably, none for the amateurs.

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[shrike]

And this returns me to my starting point. I suspected early on that one way of diverting attention away from RACISM was to confuse it with 'antiSemitism'. And it happened on cue.

Please explain the difference between anti-Semitism and Racism.

Antisemitism (alternatively spelled anti-semitism or anti-Semitism, also known as judophobia) is prejudice and hostility toward Jews as a religious, racial, or ethnic group. Antisemitism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Anti-semitism - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary Anti-semitism Main Entry: an•ti–Sem•i•tism Pronunciation: \ˌan-tē-ˈse-mə-ˌti-zəm, ˌan-ˌtī-\ Function: noun Date: 1882 : hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group

The usual culprits, the professional victims, could not share the limelight with the amateur black victims, not even once. And on cue before there was any outcome of any proper investigations, there were the usual soft sympathisers jumping in prematurely, showing their support for the professional victims and notably, none for the amateurs.

Are you claiming that all the suffering that Jews were sustained during 2000 years that culminated in elimination of 40% of Jewish population 60 years ago should not taken in account?

[righthand]

Where's the American Jewish condemnation?

Wednesday, 02.06.2008, 10:30pm

Staying with the topic, which others have MAJOR difficulty with.

For years now, I have heard demands that we Americans of Palestinian descent condemn various military actions taken by Palestinians in the Occupied Territories. And we do so, because innocents should never pay for the sins of their military forces and government. But I'd like to know if the American Jewish community will ever condemn the intentional starvation and collective punishment of the entire Gazan population? Their silence at this inhumanity has been deafening. I've heard that Palestinians invited these brutal measures when they elected Hamas during internationally-observed elections, because Hamas refuses to recognize Israel as a Jewish state. Setting aside that the elections were about corruption, Palestinians said nothing when Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert invited Avigdor Leiberman to his cabinet. Leiberman, once praised by Jewish extremists for supporting the deportation of Palestinians inside Israel, is known as an avid racist. There were no condemnations from the American Jewish community about this repulsive appointment, despite their own long history of persecution.

So different standards expected from Arabs than from the Zionist?! What's new?

I've also heard that 1.5 million Palestinians should be collectively punished for the acts of a few militants firing homemade rockets into Sderot. If our government believed in that, all of us Michiganians would have been punished for the indirect role of the Michigan Militia during the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995. But that is not what America stands for. People are not expected to pay for the acts of others. What does the American Jewish community believe? On February 22, 2006, Israel's Gideon Levy of Haaretz reported on a disturbing story. "Everyone agreed on the need to impose an economic siege on the Palestinian Authority, and Weissglas, as usual, provided the punch line: 'It's like an appointment with a dietician. The Palestinians will get a lot thinner, but won't die,' the advisor joked, and the participants reportedly rolled with laughter." That's supposed to be funny?

The Zionist have short memories on starvation.

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[shrike]

Quote by: righthand Staying with the topic, which others have MAJOR difficulty with

You make false claims and when I ask you to prove it you claim “Its offtopic”.

Where's the American Jewish condemnation?

Its classical how you post from biased sources that don't care about the facts.Anyway what it has to with the "Why Don’t Jews Like the Christians Who Like Them? "?

Leiberman, once praised by Jewish extremists for supporting the deportation of Palestinians inside Israel, is known as an avid racist.

Please provide an exact quote of what Lieberman said and how he supported deportation of Israeli Arabs?
The quote should of course come from reliable source not poorpalestinains.com that you usually from it.

The Zionist have short memories on starvation.

There is many starving people around the world why should Israel care for Gazans?I say Israel should help some Africa country at least they didn't launch missiles on Israeli cities.

[righthand]

There is one area where Israel is far ahead of the USA and that is it's media. There are excellent english language newspapers. Don't judge by the standard of the fascist Zionist rags that appear in the USA. These purport to represent Jews but do a huge disservice to the Jewish cause.

You will note that I predominately use only first quality sources, many Israeli. All my sources are temperate even if Arab, but here's the thing.

What right does another have to disparage my sources if on occasions they are Arab? How fascist must a person be to believe that they get to judge another's sources? Would Goebbels be in it with him? His this person the censor of this forum? How long is he getting away with dictating content here?

[shrike]

Quote by: righthand What right does another have to disparage my sources if on occasions they are Arab? How fascist must a person be to believe that they get to judge another's sources? Would Goebbels be in it with him? His this person the censor of this forum? How long is he getting away with dictating content here?

Every media has its own bias. In major news its minimal because there is more checks and balances(like a main editor) than then in some obscure web site that no one knows. Anyway you posted an opinion piece so its inherently biased like any other opinion piece.
Anyway I asked for some conformation of facts that you posted there but you seem to ignore this.