Obama's Global Poverty Tax

[GHook93]

Quote by: Winter wind Self defense. If we had done the same thing for Germany after WWI, the Jewish community would have a few more relatives, and we wouldn't have this mess with Israel. When people are desperate, they will look for many things, but at the top of there list is someone to blame other then themselves. Generally it's the people doing the best.

OH please! There are so many flaws in that rationale its overwelming

Ignoring these places cost more then money, it costs American lives and I think losing money as opposed to troops is preferable.

It is not the solution. It is the basic reason welfare doesn't work. This is an inexperience naive proposal by Comrade Obama!

[GHook93]

Quote by: The Decider We're at the bottom. Libertarians want America to stay there. But their presidential candidates aren't faring well. I expect (and welcome) a change soon.

I am not a Libertarian, but their philosophy far better than the socialist/Obama/Democratic philosophy!

[The Decider]

Quote by: G. Adams On a theoretical level, a government doens't have the right to take from you to feed others, unless we accept that might makes right.

The US Constitution and specifically the 16th Amendment gives the federal government "the right" to collect taxes. What "theory" are you talking about?

Quote by: G. Adams On a law-based level, I'm pretty sure it would be currently unconstitutional for the government of the US to give any of it's tax raised revenue to a foreign state. Obama would have to secure an ammendment first to make it lawful.

Please cite the constitutional provision that limits foreign aid.

[The Decider]

Quote by: GHook93 I am not a Libertarian, but their philosophy far better than the socialist/Obama/Democratic philosophy!

Well, goodie for you. Best of luck in November.

[phoenix_fire]

Quote by: GHook93 This is just the start. Just wait until the most liberal and inexperience Congressmen becomes President. We will have socialism, we will have 10 fold higher corporate and individual taxes and lastly even more corporations (and jobs) will flee the United States of Taxica!

Agreed.

[GHook93]

Quote by: The Decider The US Constitution and specifically the 16th Amendment gives the federal government "the right" to collect taxes. What "theory" are you talking about?

If you want to be specific: Article 8 section gave the Congress the right to lay and collect taxes. The 16th Amendment gave the right to collect taxes on income!

Please cite the constitutional provision that limits foreign aid.

Article 8 section 1 states that "Congress has the right to lay and collect taxess...to pay the debts and provide for the common defesne and general welfare of the UNITED STATES!"

Taxes are for the best interest of America and not for foreign affairs.

Articel 9 section 4 states: " No Capitalization, or direct, taz shall be larid unless in Proportion to the Cenuss or enumeration herein before directed to be taken"

The better question rather should be where does it provide in the consitution that the America worker needs to be taxed for an irrelevant world poverty tax? That's if you want to be technical!

[GHook93]

Quote by: adam10312 THE US GIVES THE MOST OF ANY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD (not the bottom, like winter wind said) From that same website: Country Aid amount by dollars Source: OECD Development Statistics Online last accessed Saturday, April 07, 2007 If you are viewing this table on another site, please see US and Foreign Aid Assistance - Global Issues for further details. USA 22,739 UK 12,607 Japan 11,608 France 10,448 Germany 10,351 Netherlands 5,452 Sweden 3,967 Spain 3,801 Canada 3,713 Italy 3,672 Norway 2,946 Denmark 2,234 Australia 2,128 Belgium 1,968 Switzerland 1,647 Austria 1,513 Ireland 997 Finland 826 Portugal 391 Greece 384 Luxembourg 291 New Zealand 257

Where is the overly generous China and Russia on this list? Please tell Winter?

[GHook93]

Quote by: The Decider Well, goodie for you. Best of luck in November.

Bush was a bad Republican President, not many refute that. He went against everything he preached. In fact he acted like a Democrat:

(1) Got us into war: Remember it was a Democratic President that got us into every American war except the Civil War and Desert Storm!
(2) Increased government and spending irrationally
(3) Raised taxes, except until he finally got the Bush Tax Cut approved

Also there is no need to be nasty!

[Chancellor]

Quote by: G. Adams On a theoretical level, a government doens't have the right to take from you to feed others, unless we accept that might makes right. In which case, there is also no justification other than whim that governemnt should at all be giving it's money to poor states.

It's all part of the same notion of wealth redistribution that socialists and other liberals want to force on the American people.

On a law-based level, I'm pretty sure it would be currently unconstitutional for the government of the US to give any of it's tax raised revenue to a foreign state. Obama would have to secure an ammendment first to make it lawful.

There is no power enumerated in the Constitution for the federal government to give money to any foreign government or even to charity. Specifically, Article I, Section 8 tells us "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States." Notice the limited purpose Congress has for imposing and collecting taxes: "to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States."

And finally, I would argue that you are simply keeping foreign states in a state of dependance rather than fostering their own growth through such measures. But this law wouldn't be about helping poor people, it'd be about making rich people feel good.

They're easier to control if they're dependent on us.

[Chancellor]

It amazes me the way liberals whine about how government needs to give more of our tax dollars for social programs and in foreign aid and yet liberals themselves give less to charity. Note: ABC News: Who Gives More -- The Rich or The Poor?, Interview on Who Really Cares on National Review Online and The Chronicle, 11/23/2006: Charity's Political Divide

[phoenix_fire]

So since I'm actually getting political ads in my state now...Obama sounds like a populist demagogue. Seriously.

[Suburbanite]

Quote by: phoenix_fire If you tack this on with universal health care and whatever other handouts he can think of to spend money out of others' pockets....we're talking a dramatic tax increase here. And it's the middle class that's going to suffer. This will widen the gap between the upper elite and the blue collar grunts. Not only is he overreaching authority that he doesn't have, but this act is also entirely blind to domestic needs. We'll spend billions of dollars (that will ultimately land in the pockets of third world warlords and dictators) and what of the poor right on our doorstep? This is why I think Obama's lack of stated platform is scary. He needs experience or his grand, idealistic gestures are going to bankrupt this nation.

what do you know? this whole thread is pure speculation. no one here knows

[phoenix_fire]

Knows what, exactly? I know that I know a big spender when I see one. And what with being in the hole already because of the Iraq War, spree spending is the last thing we need.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: phoenix_fire So since I'm actually getting political ads in my state now...Obama sounds like a populist demagogue. Seriously.

Isn't "populist" just another way of saying socialist?

[Suburbanite]

Quote by: phoenix_fire Knows what, exactly? I know that I know a big spender when I see one. And what with being in the hole already because of the Iraq War, spree spending is the last thing we need.

exactly, bullshit speculation, like i said. you know a big spender when you see one? FEAR CULTURE ALERT

[phoenix_fire]

Question: How do you think we get the materials for stuff? Money, right? And where must the money come from? The taxpayers, right? And how do you think we fund all the stuff Obama's promising?



"And that doesn’t even count the increased cost of complying with Obama’s new tax and health care laws."

[Suburbanite]

wow, what a simple ass understanding of capitalism. We get "materials" by building them. Money is a symbol of value, value is inherent in objects based on their value and difficulty to procure. Labor is value, money is labor. That aside, understand there are infinite ways of acquiring money, not just taxes.

[phoenix_fire]

Quote by: Suburbanite wow, what a simple ass understanding of capitalism. We get "materials" by building them. Money is a symbol of value, value is inherent in objects based on their value and difficulty to procure. Labor is value, money is labor. That aside, understand there are infinite ways of acquiring money, not just taxes.

On an individual level...yeah....sure. But this is how the government works. The politicians don't spend their Saturdays writing code or working an oil rig. When the government needs money, which it needs for all social programs such as universal health care, it takes it up in taxes. That's how it works. You don't just pull cash outta your rear or thin air. The people make the money and then the government redistributes it.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Chancellor There is no power enumerated in the Constitution for the federal government to give money to any foreign government or even to charity. Specifically, Article I, Section 8 tells us "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States." Notice the limited purpose Congress has for imposing and collecting taxes: "to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States."

I beat you to the punch on this one! The key phrase is general welfare of the United States.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Suburbanite exactly, bullshit speculation, like i said. you know a big spender when you see one? FEAR CULTURE ALERT

Speculation! Come on who are you trying to kid? Obama will eventually mean Big Spender!

(1) You have the world poverty tax that the thread is about.
(2) Obama is rate the most liberal Senator: 2006 rating by the Almanac of American Politics (2008) on Economic Policy is 87% liberal, 0% conservative
(3) Defended the New Deal social welfare policies of Franklin D. Roosevelt. Regardless of whether you agree with the New Deal or not (I personally believe they were necessary at the time), it still means he endorses big spending
(4) Associate Republican proposals to establish private accounts for Social Security with Social Darwinism. Meaning the only other way is to increase the SS tax or do away with it, which one do you think Obama is for?
(5) Pro-government interference in the Corporate world:
Obama introduced a bill in the Senate (Shareholder Vote on Executive Compensation Act - S. 1181) requiring public companies to give shareholders an annual nonbinding vote on executive compensation, popularly called "Say on Pay." Which basically states that the shareholders set the CEO's and BOD salaries.

Sounds great right? WRONG, this will create a major exodus of corps out of America. Again part of Obama's big government simple minded mentality.

(6) Obama calls for a tarriff on foreign ethanol!
Great right? WRONG! Ethanol is not the answer to foreign oil or global warming. Ethanol is using our major food supply - corn. The price of corn would skyrocket and make oil look like the cheaper alternative. Ethanol is responsible for the clearing of the rain forest in Brazil. The rain forest use up much CO2 in the atmosphere. Again Big government butting in.

(7) No support for nuclear, yet he supports ethanol! Mind-boggling! Liberal to the core.

(8) Government UHC! A 100 fold tax increase is the only way to achieve this.

Political positions of Barack Obama - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is just to name a few. I would name more but I have a sales call to run to!

Obama means big government, welfare state and big spending! Probably more than any US President in the history of American! And it should scare you, because it sure as hell scares me!