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thx1138 · Jan 26, 2008, 09:59 pm

Orwell Rolls In His Grave

This link is to the full movie 1H 44M

Charlatan · Jan 26, 2008, 10:53 pm

The corporate media has a great deal of power over the people, as what they see and hear reflects on what the media shows them. What they think is therefore influenced by the media, as they can paint something good or bad, using different things here and there to prompt a broadcast of anything they like. Advertising is one of the things that tell people what to do, that their brand is better than the others, and so they think if they are better too, do they need the brand to be better? Do they need the news they are hearing? You hear people all the time complaining that there is too much indecent content in the news, but people keep tuning in, so that they know too. It is inherent curiousity that led to news, a curiosity that people need satisfied in any way shape or form. Think of the news, does it contain good news or bad news? There is a lot more bad news, and people 'needing to know' leads to them prospering.

People don't need to know all that there is out there, but this is fuel for gossip. As people talk they learn things about the world, and wanting to know more than the next person the next time they meet leads to a desire to know as much as they can about anything that they might talk about, a fear of ignorance maybe. People are afraid of what they don't know, so they see knowing as a lifting of those fears, maybe resulting in new ones surfacing as they know the bad news.

The media decides what people will like by correspondence, all they have to do is listen to the letters they get and then they know what people are talking about, and what they would like to know about. This leads to them going after stories like the ones that people are talking about and getting up to date information, as they are also gossippers. They are like a reference to what is going on and people will take all the information about the things that matter to them from the media.

But what matters to people? People only care about certain things, and that is the result of previous media 'prepartaion', if the subject comes up again people may not be interested based on the previous message's effectiveness. Loyalty is also a factor in today's media, as people like to keep coming back to the same tributary if possible, so it is familiarity they feel when they look for topics. Does this story influence me? Is it absurd? The more out of the ordinary it is people are likely to react to it favourably, so an everyday thing is not going to sell, so we don't hear about it.

People want to live in a fantasy world with the things they are hearing about, to feel the shock of the story unfold with them in it as if they were there, it is like living a fantasy where they are in these stories, so a boring fantasy will not bring people will it? With that in mind people often opt for the most fantastically unnatural stories to place their mind in, so the more exciting it is the better news it is. People want to live their news stories while they hear them or see them and good narration is needed. To be there with the active volcano is much more thrilling than just hearing it was active, so people want to feel it, they want to be thrilled, and they want to understand it. How else do we explain the thrilling stories being the tops? It is an instinctive thrill seeking thing that makes people want to feel it, so if the media gets a cool second life for them to lead subconsciouly then it is good for both parties.

the media affects the culture too, how it grows for the people, and slowly shapes the rest of their opinions for life.

thx1138 · Jan 26, 2008, 11:08 pm

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People want to live in a fantasy world with the things they are hearing about, to feel the shock of the story unfold with them in it as if they were there, it is like living a fantasy where they are in these stories, so a boring fantasy will not bring people will it? With that in mind people often opt for the most fantastically unnatural stories to place their mind in, so the more exciting it is the better news it is. People want to live their news stories while they hear them or see them and good narration is needed. To be there with the active volcano is much more thrilling than just hearing it was active, so people want to feel it, they want to be thrilled, and they want to understand it. How else do we explain the thrilling stories being the tops? It is an instinctive thrill seeking thing that makes people want to feel it, so if the media gets a cool second life for them to lead subconsciouly then it is good for both parties.

That is why those people are know as sheeple.

great reply.

Milton Bradley · Feb 2, 2008, 05:28 pm

I just got around to watching this. Thanks for the link thx.

This is one of the topics I marvell at, because it seems so obvious to me, but then I do claim to be the medias "biggest critic", so it's familiar territory for me.

I thought one of the most alarming statistics thrown around in this production was that the US Congess has an ninety eight percent re-election rate, and that the Soviet Politburo could only manage ninety two percent.

It's nothing short of amazing that so many people are disinterested in the governing bodies that control, and regulate their very existance.

I also found it quite disturbing that the media is the largest lobbying group around, yet we don't know that because they control the means by which the average citizen should be informed of that little factoid.

I suppose charaterizing them ( the Neocons ) as Nazis was incorrect after all, as I'm sure they renamed their organization for their attampt at the Fourth Reich.

Chaossaber314 · Feb 2, 2008, 09:21 pm

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I thought one of the most alarming statistics thrown around in this production was that the US Congess has an ninety eight percent re-election rate, and that the Soviet Politburo could only manage ninety two percent.

It's nothing short of amazing that so many people are disinterested in the governing bodies that control, and regulate their very existance.

But doesn't the very nature of American apathy work counter-intuitive to any potential power the media has? If the majority don't care and don't watch, what can they hope to achieve?

thx1138 · Feb 2, 2008, 10:08 pm

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But doesn't the very nature of American apathy work counter-intuitive to any potential power the media has? If the majority don't care and don't watch, what can they hope to achieve?

Good question, but the majority does watch it's not just news programs that shape the minds of the masses.

I just watched a so called serious news program here in Japan about the elections in the U.S. It was bais beyond believe, the show was pushing a pro Hillary bais and did not even show Ron Paul in its graphics of people running even though Giuliani and Edwards were show and they dropped out.

Media is the only means for the majority of people in the world get their information and that information is crafted by the media companies.

Of course people were warned of this in the book "1984" but few remember.
Alex Jones on George Orwell's 1984

Jan 26, 2008, 09:59 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
thx1138 superStructure Posts: 627	Documentary on the power of the corporate media. Orwell Rolls In His Grave This link is to the full movie 1H 44M Aldous Huxley speech at berkley http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/VideoTest/hux1.ram Q&A: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/VideoTest/hux2.ram

Jan 26, 2008, 10:53 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
Charlatan Igneous Magma Location: Cape Town South Africa Posts: 292	The corporate media has a great deal of power over the people, as what they see and hear reflects on what the media shows them. What they think is therefore influenced by the media, as they can paint something good or bad, using different things here and there to prompt a broadcast of anything they like. Advertising is one of the things that tell people what to do, that their brand is better than the others, and so they think if they are better too, do they need the brand to be better? Do they need the news they are hearing? You hear people all the time complaining that there is too much indecent content in the news, but people keep tuning in, so that they know too. It is inherent curiousity that led to news, a curiosity that people need satisfied in any way shape or form. Think of the news, does it contain good news or bad news? There is a lot more bad news, and people 'needing to know' leads to them prospering. People don't need to know all that there is out there, but this is fuel for gossip. As people talk they learn things about the world, and wanting to know more than the next person the next time they meet leads to a desire to know as much as they can about anything that they might talk about, a fear of ignorance maybe. People are afraid of what they don't know, so they see knowing as a lifting of those fears, maybe resulting in new ones surfacing as they know the bad news. The media decides what people will like by correspondence, all they have to do is listen to the letters they get and then they know what people are talking about, and what they would like to know about. This leads to them going after stories like the ones that people are talking about and getting up to date information, as they are also gossippers. They are like a reference to what is going on and people will take all the information about the things that matter to them from the media. But what matters to people? People only care about certain things, and that is the result of previous media 'prepartaion', if the subject comes up again people may not be interested based on the previous message's effectiveness. Loyalty is also a factor in today's media, as people like to keep coming back to the same tributary if possible, so it is familiarity they feel when they look for topics. Does this story influence me? Is it absurd? The more out of the ordinary it is people are likely to react to it favourably, so an everyday thing is not going to sell, so we don't hear about it. People want to live in a fantasy world with the things they are hearing about, to feel the shock of the story unfold with them in it as if they were there, it is like living a fantasy where they are in these stories, so a boring fantasy will not bring people will it? With that in mind people often opt for the most fantastically unnatural stories to place their mind in, so the more exciting it is the better news it is. People want to live their news stories while they hear them or see them and good narration is needed. To be there with the active volcano is much more thrilling than just hearing it was active, so people want to feel it, they want to be thrilled, and they want to understand it. How else do we explain the thrilling stories being the tops? It is an instinctive thrill seeking thing that makes people want to feel it, so if the media gets a cool second life for them to lead subconsciouly then it is good for both parties. the media affects the culture too, how it grows for the people, and slowly shapes the rest of their opinions for life. Poison for the system!

Feb 2, 2008, 05:28 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
Milton Bradley BANNED Location: Ohio Province, Rep. of Comerica Posts: 7,320	I just got around to watching this. Thanks for the link thx. This is one of the topics I marvell at, because it seems so obvious to me, but then I do claim to be the medias "biggest critic", so it's familiar territory for me. I thought one of the most alarming statistics thrown around in this production was that the US Congess has an ninety eight percent re-election rate, and that the Soviet Politburo could only manage ninety two percent. It's nothing short of amazing that so many people are disinterested in the governing bodies that control, and regulate their very existance. I also found it quite disturbing that the media is the largest lobbying group around, yet we don't know that because they control the means by which the average citizen should be informed of that little factoid. I suppose charaterizing them ( the Neocons ) as Nazis was incorrect after all, as I'm sure they renamed their organization for their attampt at the Fourth Reich.