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GHook93 · Jan 16, 2008, 10:57 am

I know polls suck, but they do have a little predicting skills. Better than nothing.

They have him at 28% to McCain's 21%!
http://americanresearchgroup.com/

If he can manage to take 2nd in SC, he will be looking good on Jan 19! Then FL is up for grabs between the top 4 candidates, which all which in the margin of error. Guiliani needs it bad, but he is not pulling away. If he comes up with anything less than a convincing victory in FL, then his strategy back-fire big time.

Nono · Jan 18, 2008, 03:01 pm

Just goes to show that in the US you can buy whatever you want.

GHook93 · Jan 18, 2008, 03:09 pm

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Just goes to show that in the US you can buy whatever you want.

Not true in the least! Ron Paul's cash isn't buying him anything. Mitt didn't win NH, IW and won't win SC. Maybe, just maybe, he is leading in NV, because he is the best candidate!

Chancellor · Jan 18, 2008, 03:14 pm

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Not true in the least! Ron Paul's cash isn't buying him anything. Mitt didn't win NH, IW and won't win SC. Maybe, just maybe, he is leading in NV, because he is the best candidate!

Or because he may have some connection with neighboring Utah.

rmnunez · Jan 20, 2008, 01:36 am

The neighboring Utah connection sounds more like it, though its hard to see much of a connection at all, Nevada and Utah seem like opposites politically.

Winter wind · Jan 20, 2008, 01:47 am

This stuff doesn't matter all that much.

Super Tuesday is where the action is.

GHook93 · Jan 20, 2008, 11:14 am

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Or because he may have some connection with neighboring Utah.

Yep there's a connection! LOL

UT religious conservatives!
NV home of sin city, legalized gambling, lax marriage laws and legal prostitution. Man they look like long lost brothers!

GHook93 · Jan 20, 2008, 11:16 am

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This stuff doesn't matter all that much.

Super Tuesday is where the action is.

FL is Guiliani's big test, but I agree Super Tuesday will separate the men from the boys. I believe Thompson will drop out after FL. And I believe at the end of Super Tuesday only 3 men will be standing: McCain, Guiliani and Romney.

The Decider · Jan 20, 2008, 02:04 pm

Romney didn't even come close in South Carolina.

Only Ron Paul seriously contested Nevada, and he didn't come close either.

Romney hasn't proven himself yet. But McCain is racking up the big wins.

Don't celebrate yet GHook.

GHook93 · Jan 20, 2008, 02:38 pm

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Romney didn't even come close in South Carolina.

Only Ron Paul seriously contested Nevada, and he didn't come close either.

Romney hasn't proven himself yet. But McCain is racking up the big wins.

Don't celebrate yet GHook.

Very true, but MI was a nice win and silvers in NH and IW were big. Super Tuesday is going to have more importance this year than ever. I do see Huck getting eliminated 2/5. However, I see the 3 mentioned as the only 3 standing. On the Democratic side I see Clinton pulling further away from Obama and Edwards eliminated

rmnunez · Jan 20, 2008, 06:23 pm

The Republicans all seem very similar to me, but among the Democrats it looks like everyone is much more excited Hillary is doing better and I would have thought Obama's viability would be much more interesting. I get the impression some would like to see Hillary as the Democratic contender because it would be more like a challenge to the Bush legacy.

GHook93 · Jan 20, 2008, 06:27 pm

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The Republicans all seem very similar to me, but among the Democrats it looks like everyone is much more excited Hillary is doing better and I would have thought Obama's viability would be much more interesting.

See my thread on why to vote for Romney and you will see why he is different from the pack!

rmnunez · Jan 20, 2008, 06:36 pm

I've seen nothing outstanding about Romney, other than his Mormonism. What is his vision? You like him, why? How different is he from Huckabee, Ron Paul or McCain? Is there some brilliant Romney plan to address problems in education, the economy, public assistance, foreign policy...? When I look at issues like thse and compare the candidates (even with Democrats) they seem like variations on the same theme -nobody stands out with a unique goal, an aim I want to endorse.

Charlatan · Jan 20, 2008, 06:52 pm

Voting for lesser powers is a good thing because that opens up the game and pushes people to show their best when it is time to. Without opposition people do whatever they want, and the promises made now will be remebered, by the promisers and by the people. But will they deliver? People will say their budget is open until the time comes for action, but otherwise it is what they would like to do. If people liek the ideas they hear from the candidates, then they will vote for them knowing that they would like to keep true to their promises if at all possible, as they would like to be voted in again. One president may be able to overturn what the former has done, but that may take three terms, so people should be looking for what is possible when they cast their votes.

Keeping the government going in as much the same direction as possible is a good option, as the stones are laid for those promises in the present, so they will be easier to see happen. If one comes in it may take two years to set their own stones, so keeping on course for one vision, one that was already voted for by them probably, is of course the wiser choice, as those goals would be realised at some point if the line was kept, logically. So it is important for voters to keep voting in the same direction between office changes, otherwise they are wasting their votes.

You see the thing that is important is that people like the candidates. They often lose sight of their vision with the changing of office, so don't stay true to what they are voting for, so what is the point of voting? For one candate to repaet the promises made by the former are probably a good idea, but how often do they offer change. Are the people like a thrashing sidewinder going this way and that looking for quick results and promises that will be kept? It take years to institute a minor change, but they don't understand this and only see failure every time they look. What they should see is a snake charmer trying to keep up with them as they cast this way and that, looking for someone who will deliver on time.

That is the problem with the system, time. Time is important in trying to see your vision fulfilled, but everyone runs out of time and only sees what they promise vanishing. In saying that they would be sure to make the fastest changes possible, to curb the populace. Given more time they would surely see more of their promises kept. That is why having a lot of visions set forth so interesting, as they won't support something they don't think is good for the people. What is good for the people? They all have their own visions, so the more they have to choose from the messier it gets. Maybe having less candidates is better for the people, as they would see less visions and people wouldn't be pressured into letting their own views sound 'different' from the other candidates. They all are sure to press their own version of the same thing probably, so as they try to become individulas they all make it sound better and better, and hence they are playing to the crowd with their versions, of course.

Jan 16, 2008, 10:57 am	#1 (permalink) (top)
GHook93 Aristotle Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,153	Romney now leading in NV! I know polls suck, but they do have a little predicting skills. Better than nothing. They have him at 28% to McCain's 21%! http://americanresearchgroup.com/ If he can manage to take 2nd in SC, he will be looking good on Jan 19! Then FL is up for grabs between the top 4 candidates, which all which in the margin of error. Guiliani needs it bad, but he is not pulling away. If he comes up with anything less than a convincing victory in FL, then his strategy back-fire big time.

Jan 18, 2008, 03:01 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
Nono Throbbing Member Location: Old Europe Posts: 6,768	Just goes to show that in the US you can buy whatever you want. "I wish I was as cocksure of anything as Tom Macaulay is of everything." -- Viscount Melbourne

Jan 20, 2008, 01:36 am	#5 (permalink) (top)
rmnunez Volcanic Erupter Location: Mexico City Posts: 4,772	The neighboring Utah connection sounds more like it, though its hard to see much of a connection at all, Nevada and Utah seem like opposites politically. Et semel emissum volat irrevocabile verbum. Raúl M. Núñez Sheriff

Jan 20, 2008, 01:47 am	#6 (permalink) (top)
Winter wind adorable = power Location: Hong Kong, China Posts: 1,821	This stuff doesn't matter all that much. Super Tuesday is where the action is. Don't forget this is all in good fun! "The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist." Verbal Kint, "Usual Suspects"

Jan 20, 2008, 06:23 pm	#11 (permalink) (top)
rmnunez Volcanic Erupter Location: Mexico City Posts: 4,772	The Republicans all seem very similar to me, but among the Democrats it looks like everyone is much more excited Hillary is doing better and I would have thought Obama's viability would be much more interesting. I get the impression some would like to see Hillary as the Democratic contender because it would be more like a challenge to the Bush legacy. Et semel emissum volat irrevocabile verbum. Raúl M. Núñez Sheriff

Jan 20, 2008, 02:04 pm	#9 (permalink) (top)
The Decider Hot Lava Posts: 1,660	Romney didn't even come close in South Carolina. Only Ron Paul seriously contested Nevada, and he didn't come close either. Romney hasn't proven himself yet. But McCain is racking up the big wins. Don't celebrate yet GHook.

Jan 20, 2008, 06:36 pm	#13 (permalink) (top)
rmnunez Volcanic Erupter Location: Mexico City Posts: 4,772	I've seen nothing outstanding about Romney, other than his Mormonism. What is his vision? You like him, why? How different is he from Huckabee, Ron Paul or McCain? Is there some brilliant Romney plan to address problems in education, the economy, public assistance, foreign policy...? When I look at issues like thse and compare the candidates (even with Democrats) they seem like variations on the same theme -nobody stands out with a unique goal, an aim I want to endorse. Et semel emissum volat irrevocabile verbum. Raúl M. Núñez Sheriff

Jan 20, 2008, 06:52 pm	#14 (permalink) (top)
Charlatan Igneous Magma Location: Cape Town South Africa Posts: 256	Voting for lesser powers is a good thing because that opens up the game and pushes people to show their best when it is time to. Without opposition people do whatever they want, and the promises made now will be remebered, by the promisers and by the people. But will they deliver? People will say their budget is open until the time comes for action, but otherwise it is what they would like to do. If people liek the ideas they hear from the candidates, then they will vote for them knowing that they would like to keep true to their promises if at all possible, as they would like to be voted in again. One president may be able to overturn what the former has done, but that may take three terms, so people should be looking for what is possible when they cast their votes. Keeping the government going in as much the same direction as possible is a good option, as the stones are laid for those promises in the present, so they will be easier to see happen. If one comes in it may take two years to set their own stones, so keeping on course for one vision, one that was already voted for by them probably, is of course the wiser choice, as those goals would be realised at some point if the line was kept, logically. So it is important for voters to keep voting in the same direction between office changes, otherwise they are wasting their votes. You see the thing that is important is that people like the candidates. They often lose sight of their vision with the changing of office, so don't stay true to what they are voting for, so what is the point of voting? For one candate to repaet the promises made by the former are probably a good idea, but how often do they offer change. Are the people like a thrashing sidewinder going this way and that looking for quick results and promises that will be kept? It take years to institute a minor change, but they don't understand this and only see failure every time they look. What they should see is a snake charmer trying to keep up with them as they cast this way and that, looking for someone who will deliver on time. That is the problem with the system, time. Time is important in trying to see your vision fulfilled, but everyone runs out of time and only sees what they promise vanishing. In saying that they would be sure to make the fastest changes possible, to curb the populace. Given more time they would surely see more of their promises kept. That is why having a lot of visions set forth so interesting, as they won't support something they don't think is good for the people. What is good for the people? They all have their own visions, so the more they have to choose from the messier it gets. Maybe having less candidates is better for the people, as they would see less visions and people wouldn't be pressured into letting their own views sound 'different' from the other candidates. They all are sure to press their own version of the same thing probably, so as they try to become individulas they all make it sound better and better, and hence they are playing to the crowd with their versions, of course. Poison for the system!