Why you should be scared of Hucakbee

[Chris]

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Quote by: Huckabee "I have opponents in this race who do not want to change the Constitution, but I believe it's a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living god. And that's what we need to do -- to amend the Constitution so it's in God's standards rather than try to change God's standards so it lines up with some contemporary view."

Yep you read that right. He wants to change the constitution and make it to better suit God - an imaginary -invisible supernatural mythological being.

We will be in a theocracy if he wins.

How about this little tidbit:
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Quote by: Huckabee "Be prepared, first, to put your sights on the American vessel. And then be prepared that the next thing you see will be the gates of Hell, because that is exactly what you will see after that,"

Someone vote this guy out already!

[nerdvincent]

Holy shit! Happily I'm not living in America, but since America's hand is all over the world we've got to be prepared for some crusades. I find America being too christian based already, but this guy just blew my eyes out.

[Jack]

This ought to immediately disqualify him from any further consideration as a candidate for the presidency of the U.S. for any voter who loves their country and respects the Constitution, theist and atheist alike.

[Chancellor]

At least he's up front about what he believes.

[Jack_Sparrow]

If it was put to vote, and decided to turn america into a theocracy, what grounds do the athiests have to prevent it passing?

[Chris]

because this country was founded to be a secular nation.

A vote by whom? the right wing congress? Or the People? Why is it that in order to get elected to office, you have to get your "faith" card punched? Why can't an atheist get elected to office?

If America becomes a theocracy, you can kiss civilization good bye.

[Jack_Sparrow]

Actually I was referring to a vote by the people.

Can countries not be re formed? Dont get me wrong, I agree it would spell chaos for strategic reasons.

[simple simon]

Quote by: Jack_Sparrow Actually I was referring to a vote by the people. Can countries not be re formed? Dont get me wrong, I agree it would spell chaos for strategic reasons.

i dont think a vote is fair .... many people dont vote and their voices would not be heard ...... now i suppose you could say that it would be their fault for not bothering to show up to vote ..... but i say to enact such an extreme measure you should have to go to extreme lengths

and yeah .... to the OP ..... Huckabee is a nut job and potentially dangerous to our way of life

[Jack]

If it was put to vote, and decided to turn america into a theocracy, what grounds do the athiests have to prevent it passing?

None whatsoever; it could happen. That's why those of us who respect and love our country are so concerned. In his own way, Huckabee is no better than the terrorists whose aim is to destroy this nation.

If Huck were elected and took the oath of office, with includes a vow to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, then went ahead and followed his plan, I'd say he'd be guilty of treason. We should never allow an amendment to the Constitution that corrupts the intent of the rest of that document.

Since the president can't amend the Constitution by fiat, we can only hope that should he attempt this, the Congress would sensibly slap it down. Ultimately, the only thing that prevents the U.S. from becoming another Iran is the will of the people. And we've seen how easily that can be manipulated. That's why we're concerned.

[Chaossaber314]

A few thing I would like to point out...

1.) Is there any indication that Huckabee is talking about scrapping the Constitution and not amending it drastically?

2.) Why does this spell theocracy? I wasn't aware the executive branch had the authority to simply change the constitution.

3.) For those spewing about the intentions of the founders, was not the intention of the founders to have a living document that could be changed if the people decided it? Just because we don't agree with a view doesn't mean that the country shouldn't be able to change the constitution to allow or protect that view.

I think Huckabee is an idiot but I think some of you are jumping the gun about the sky falling just yet. To me it just sounds like another political hack just running at the mouth. Huckabee does this... A LOT.

[Chancellor]

Quote by: Jack_Sparrow If it was put to vote, and decided to turn america into a theocracy, what grounds do the athiests have to prevent it passing?

The only legal way to make such a radical change is to amend the Constitution - that's the grounds atheists would have.

[Jack]

Quote by: Chaossaber314 Is there any indication that Huckabee is talking about scrapping the Constitution and not amending it drastically?

Quote by: Huckabee "...that's what we need to do -- to amend the Constitution so it's in God's standards rather than try to change God's standards so it lines up with some contemporary view."

Where's the line between amending it drastically and scrapping it? I would contend that amending it so as to corrupt one of the most basic assumptions of the Constitution, that this is a country without a national religion, is essentially scrapping it.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Isherwood Where's the line between amending it drastically and scrapping it? I would contend that amending it so as to corrupt one of the most basic assumptions of the Constitution, that this is a country without a national religion, is essentially scrapping it.

Well, this wouldn't be "scrapping it" per se. Huckabee and his loyal hordes could always remind us it's a "living document."

Grandpa h.

[Chaossaber314]

Quote by: Isherwood Where's the line between amending it drastically and scrapping it? I would contend that amending it so as to corrupt one of the most basic assumptions of the Constitution, that this is a country without a national religion, is essentially scrapping it.

If they exploit a potential weakness in the constitution, it's not being scrapped, they're essentially using it to their own benefit. One of the flaws with leaving the document open to change, but I would argue a necessary flaw. To argue that if he goes through the proper channels and amends the Constitution to say something stupid like that every Thursday should be "National Prayer Day" and to maintain that is destroying the document, is simply short sided in the bias that you don't agree with the change.

I would be more worried if we started deciding that certain things could not be changed in the Constitution based upon whether or not we agreed with them.

My point is that if you deny him his right should he go through the proper channels to make an amendment or even 20 of them is to be the true enemy of the Constitution.

If our country becomes so mislead that he could actually pass any, let alone multiple amendments breaking down the separation of Church and State, then we have much greater problems than the amendments. At which point we discuss passing a new amendment to repeal the previous ones put through by Huckabee.

...also at which point the Christian Right would attempt to deny us our ability to do so and the role reversal is complete.

Denying people the ability to do things legally because we don't agree is to become what we hate in the Fundamentalist Christian Right.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Chaossaber314 If they exploit a potential weakness in the constitution, it's not being scrapped, they're essentially using it to their own benefit. One of the flaws with leaving the document open to change, but I would argue a necessary flaw.

Of course, Huckabee wouldn't necessarily need to amend the constitution to cheat the system.

Grandpa h.

[Jack]

Chaossaber314, you make good points. The only way I would deny him the opportunity to amend the Constitution to "fit god's standards" is to encourage people not to vote for him. You're correct in saying that the creation of an American theocracy goes against my own beliefs. However, I do believe Huck's intentions go beyond creating a National Day of Prayer. Perhaps I'm wrong. If he gets elected, I truly hope I'm wrong.

[Chaossaber314]

Quote by: Grandpa Of course, Huckabee wouldn't necessarily need to amend the constitution to cheat the system. Grandpa h.

True, but we don't have any proof that he would do this. The man flat out used the word "Amend." I don't think we can really speculate on whether or not he would or would not try and cheat the system should he fail at amending the constitution.

Speculating on a man's illegal intentions requires more evidence than say speculating on a man's character or personality.

Quote by: Isherwood Chaossaber314, you make good points. The only way I would deny him the opportunity to amend the Constitution to "fit god's standards" is to encourage people not to vote for him.

Agreed.

You're correct in saying that the creation of an American theocracy goes against my own beliefs. However, I do believe Huck's intentions go beyond creating a National Day of Prayer. Perhaps I'm wrong. If he gets elected, I truly hope I'm wrong.

You know, I don't get the sense that he's a very real individual. He comes off to me as more talk than anything. I really think the man is a fundamentalist poser. Which makes me respect him even less.

[doc303]

Newsmax.com - Ann Coulter: Huckabee Like GOP Jimmy Carter

Here's an interesting pov by a staunch conservative.

[Fangrim]

Quote by: Chris LINK Yep you read that right. He wants to change the constitution and make it to better suit God - an imaginary -invisible supernatural mythological being. We will be in a theocracy if he wins. How about this little tidbit: LINK Someone vote this guy out already!

Actually, these statements are precisely the reason why I support Huckabee.

And excellent points Chaossaber

[Zeebadee]

Perhaps Chris The Mod should have posted the entire quote instead of taking part of it out of context. He seems to have forgotten the rest of the article...

"[Some of my opponents] do not want to change the Constitution, but I believe it's a lot easier to change the constitution than it would be to change the word of the living God, and that's what we need to do is to amend the Constitution so it's in God's standards rather than try to change God's standards," Huckabee said, referring to the need for a constitutional human life amendment and an amendment defining marriage as between a man and a woman. (emphasis mine). Huck, the Constitution and 'God's standards' - First Read - msnbc.com

Just stating a position on issues that have been around for ages, not a declaration that he's pushing for a theocracy. He's merely a politician pandering to religious fanatics for votes. What positions do the other candidates have on these two issues??