Mexican Government Incursions into the United States

[Dieval]

Quote by: article Judicial Watch Releases Border Patrol Report on Mexican Government Incursions into the United States for Fiscal Year 2006 Of 29 Incidents, 17 Involved Armed Mexican Government Personnel (Washington, DC) Judicial Watch, the public interest group that investigates and prosecutes government corruption, today released a U.S. Border Patrol report titled, “Mexican Government Incidents – 2006 Fiscal Year Report,” obtained under the provisions of the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). But for Judicial Watch’s September, 2007 FOIA request, this information would not have been made public. The report describes 29 confirmed incidents in 2006 along the U.S.- Mexican border involving Mexican military and/or law enforcement personnel, 17 of which involved armed Mexican government agents. Among the incidents cited: MEXICAN MILITARY ENCOUNTER (ARMED/INTENTIONAL) EL PASO – FORT HANCOCK STATION – At 2 P.M. on January 3, 2006, [Troopers] attempted to apprehend three vehicles believed to be smuggling contraband on I-10…As the vehicles approached the border, [Troopers] stated that a Mexican Military Humvee armed with a .50 caliber weapon and several soldiers were seen assisting smugglers return to Mexico…Officers then noticed several armed subjects dressed in fatigue type clothing unload the contraband into the Humvee. These subjects set fire to the stalled vehicle before leaving the area… MEXICAN POLICE INCURSION (ARMED/INTENTIONAL) TUCSON NOGALES STATION – On June 2, 2006, a Border Patrol Agent assigned to the Nogales, Arizona station encountered two Mexican Police Officers that had illegally entered into the U.S. one mile west of the Mariposa Port of Entry…the Mexican Police Officers ran back into Mexico when ordered [by Border Patrol] to remain for questioning. MEXICAN MILITARY INCURSION (ARMED/INTENTIONAL) EL CENTRO SECTOR – CALEXICO STATION – On September 16, 2006, a Border Patrol Agent assigned to the Calexico, California Station observed an individual in an olive drab uniform with a possible Mexican flag on the shoulder approximately 100 yards north of the International Border near the Calexico POE. The individual appeared to be carrying a sidearm and was running southbound to Mexico through the vehicle lanes of the Calexico POE. The document also states that between 1996 and September 30, 2006 there were 253 confirmed incursions into the United States by Mexican government personnel. Prior to release to Judicial Watch, the Department of Homeland Security evaluated the information in the report as “For Official Use Only” and containing “Law Enforcement Sensitive Information.” Additional Mexican government incursion reports for 2003 through 2005 are available on the Judicial Watch Internet site at: Judicial Watch. Judicial Watch Releases Border Patrol Report on Mexican Government Incursions into the United States for Fiscal Year 2006 | Judicial Watch

So, why are we allowing such incursions to happen?
Why wasn't the data from 2007 released?

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Dieval So, why are we allowing such incursions to happen?

Because the criminal cabal of incumbents in charge is running the show according to their own rules, and not the actual laws that govern what they should do in response to such threats.

Quote by: Dieval Why wasn't the data from 2007 released?

It always takes an unreasonably long time for a bureaucracy to compile the data, and release the results.

[ruksak]

Quote by: Milton Bradley Because the criminal cabal of incumbents in charge is running the show according to their own rules, and not the actual laws that govern what they should do in response to such threats. It always takes an unreasonably long time for a bureaucracy to compile the data, and release the results.

It would seem you have switched any responsibility away from the Mexican government and toward you favorite fixation, our suspect government. This is not a good way to solve problems.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: ruksak It would seem you have switched any responsibility away from the Mexican government and toward you favorite fixation, our suspect government. This is not a good way to solve problems.

Uh, didn't he ask "why do we let this occur"?


I suppose you prefer to vilify the Mexicans? I suppose that would be far more constructive.

[Dieval]

Quote by: Milton Bradley Uh, didn't he ask "why do we let this occur"? I suppose you prefer to vilify the Mexicans? I suppose that would be far more constructive.

It sounds to me like the Mexican's ARE the villians here....

How many times did US government personal enter Mexican territory, as their counterparts are doing with the US?

[Kite]

Regardless, its our move, our government is in the position to deal with this or ignore it like they've been doing.

[simple simon]

Quote by: Milton Bradley Because the criminal cabal of incumbents in charge is running the show according to their own rules, and not the actual laws that govern what they should do in response to such threats.

the bleeding heart liberals ya mean .... the Republicans want to keep them all out ... but hey the damn dems want to give them id cards and welfare

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: simple simon the bleeding heart liberals ya mean .... the Republicans want to keep them all out ... but hey the damn dems want to give them id cards and welfare

Oh, I'm all for keeping the illegals out, however my comment was limited to the question asked.


And no, the Republicans, who are in power by the way, are making no effort to secure the border, or keep illegals out.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Kite Regardless, its our move, our government is in the position to deal with this or ignore it like they've been doing.

Give that man a cigar, or the vegetable equivalent if he doesn't smoke.

Quote by: Dieval It sounds to me like the Mexican's ARE the villians here....

That's just because you refuse to see the complicity of the people you're voting for on this matter.


Aren't Republicans in a position to do something?


Well, why aren't they?


You always ask all the wrong questions.

[rmnunez]

These are insignificant incidents, few, far apart, long ago. Aren't you familiar with the concept 'hot pursuit'? How do you know these incidents weren't the tail end of some incident where a smuggler was intercepted by the Mexican authorities, pursued and chased across the border and then back again into Mexico? I couldn't imagine any better explanation as it seems ridiculous to imagine the Mexican army is trying to sneak individual soldiers across to conquer some territory.

If police officers are crossing over these probably chased someone across, likely then realized they couldn't arrest the suspect outside their jurisdiction and thus held back their pursuit until they could get the suspect to run back across the border.

[rmnunez]

I posted pictures ojn these threads of Chertoff with a united statian worker crew all emblazoned with US flags on their shoulders and helmets helping build a wall it turns out was several yards in Mexican territory. That is an incursion worth noting, and it was noted -the united statians withdrew and built it all over again along the proper boundary (though Chertoff didn't go out to get his picture taken the second time).

[Sonart]

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Because the criminal cabal of incumbents in charge is running the show according to their own rules, and not the actual laws that govern what they should do in response to such threats.

Methinks Milton has made this statement into a 'Macro'... you know, he just presses something lik F2, and presto... instant boilerplate!


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[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Sonart Methinks Milton has made this statement into a 'Macro'... you know, he just presses something lik F2, and presto... instant boilerplate!

I'd be more suspicious over the fact that the default answer is usually correct.


Now that's something to be concerned about.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Dieval So, why are we allowing such incursions to happen? Why wasn't the data from 2007 released?

Because we have no border fence and the Mexican police and military are some of the most corrupt in the world!

[GHook93]

Quote by: simple simon the bleeding heart liberals ya mean .... the Republicans want to keep them all out ... but hey the damn dems want to give them id cards and welfare

This could be true, but which of the Republicans will really get this done?
McCain - Maybe, but the McCain-Kennedy plan was horrible!
Romney & Guiliani - They talk a good game, but he did run scantuary cities.
Thompson - He would fall asleep on the job first.
Ron Paul - I believe he has the best plan of all the candidates!

[Dieval]

Quote by: GHook93 This could be true, but which of the Republicans will really get this done? McCain - Maybe, but the McCain-Kennedy plan was horrible! Romney & Guiliani - They talk a good game, but he did run scantuary cities. Thompson - He would fall asleep on the job first. Ron Paul - I believe he has the best plan of all the candidates!

How about Duncan Hunter?
He's responsible for building a fence in San Diego, which cut smuggling of people and drugs by 90%. I believe he was also the sponsor for the bill to build the complete fence along the US-Mexico border.

SECURING THE BORDER: A CHRONOLOGY

[GHook93]

Quote by: Dieval How about Duncan Hunter? He's responsible for building a fence in San Diego, which cut smuggling of people and drugs by 90%. I believe he was also the sponsor for the bill to build the complete fence along the US-Mexico border. SECURING THE BORDER: A CHRONOLOGY

Very true and I did like the guy, but it appears not too many others did. I guess you could toss in RP and Thompson who have little chance also.

I forgot to mention Huckabee: Don't know if I trust him, since he was so liberal towards illegals in AK.

[Charlatan]

I think that Mexican drug dealers are getting into America because they find it easy, and without real resistance, so the odds are good to do this. They see America as a pasture for their crimes, and never get caught, so they spread the word. But what do they tell their officers in charge of them they are doing at the time? A quick phone call will reveal who was where at any given time, so unless the corruption is really high up, they should be easy to trace. That they aren't stopped means it must be high profile people in the know too, so the best way to find out what's going on, seeing as how they like to make money, is to pay someone off to tell them who was where, they say there is no honour amoung thieves so someone would surely take a bite of the apple? Then there must be a lot of people who would turn them in because they are of high moral fibre, unless they risk being court marshalled? For what though, telling the truth? They would find themselves under the wing of the president, who would applaud them, so I can't see, unless parties are under threats, why this has not been rooted out?

[grandpa]

Quote by: Charlatan I think that Mexican drug dealers are getting into America because they find it easy, and without real resistance, so the odds are good to do this. They see America as a pasture for their crimes, and never get caught, so they spread the word.

Drug gangs (and other gangs) often consider the odds involved and abide by detailed calculations. Of course, many Americans assume these drug gangs encompass the whole of Mexico (and maybe the will if NAFTA, the drug war and "illegal immigration" standards persist).

Grandpa h.

[rmnunez]

I suspect the drug gangs are not as big a problem as the undocumented immigrants. Some estimate over 4 thousand undocumenteds cross the border every day (usually at night). These are most often seasonal farm workers who are in the US for only a few months before illicitly crossing back into Mexico. Obviously drug smugglers can use the same routes. Several tunnels, suspected of being used to smuggle drugs, have been discovered connecting warehouses on both sides of the border and there's a famous "cocaine alley" on the border with California where it is believed most of this drug sent to the US arrives. But a truckload of cocaine is just a single illicit crossing.