Fickle public on Iraq?

[Winter wind]

I was thirteenish when America invaded Iraq, and I was all for it then. My logic was, if they didn't allow inspectors in, then they have got to be hiding something

four years later, I have done a 180 turn on this along with a fair amount of the American public. I think going into Iraq was dumb to say the least. However, every time I hear someone rail at politicians and others who have changed their mind since, I hide under the couch and change my name. Isn't it a bit hypocritical of the American public in general to be so critical towards politicians who were for the war at the time when 54% (March 2003) of the people supported it and at one time, 72% supported it (April 2003). (This stat is from wikipedia, so if someone would like to get a better stat...)

[Jack]

For some reason we insist on holding our politicians to a higher standard than we do ourselves, then act shocked when they behave like humans. Our unreasonable expectations are what cause, in my opinion, politicians to make such fantastic and unrealistic promises on the campaign trail. They are trying to appease our unreasonable expectations instead of telling us what they honestly plan to do once in office, or what needs to be done to fix problems in the country.

We hate pig-headed politicians who refuse to adapt to new conditions, and we hate flip-floppers. We don't know what the hell we expect from our politicians. Generally, we don't even hold them in very high regard, especially once elected.

[Winter wind]

We hate pig-headed politicians who refuse to adapt to new conditions, and we hate flip-floppers. We don't know what the hell we expect from our politicians. Generally, we don't even hold them in very high regard, especially once elected.

I don't know if this was meant to be funny, but I laughed for a long time after reading this.
You are so right. Maybe it isn't the politicians that are bad, but the "cynical" American public.

First they should remove the goddam oak tree from their eyes before pointing out the splinter in others.

[GPIRS88]

To be fair there was a lot of false info given before the War on Iraq and everyone was sort of caught up in thinking Iraq was responsible for 9/11

Look at Collin Powell's assessment of Iraq before 9/11 and after.

[PatC]

Quote by: GPIRS88 To be fair there was a lot of false info given before the War on Iraq and everyone was sort of caught up in thinking Iraq was responsible for 9/11 Look at Collin Powell's assessment of Iraq before 9/11 and after.

Good point. History does show that Iraq did use chemical weapons in the 1980s when they were fighting Iran. Now they are nowhere to be found. If you are planing a war based on info you better be damned sure you can account for it. I was 18 at the time and preparing to go to college in Switzerland, until I had to reply of my decision on March 19th. My parents did not feel it was safe for me to go abroad under such circumstances and I have never forgiven them (or Saddam Hussein) for it since. I read The Threatening Storm by Ken Pollack just before the invasion. Mr Pollack made a very good case to justify a war (much of the book was written in the mid to late 1990s), unfortunately the evidence never materialized. I too have done a 180 on this issue. Though I have a friend who was studying in Jordan, not far from Iraq, in the spring of 2003 and says he saw convoys of trailers (i.e. potentially mobile weapons labs) crossing the into Jordan. The point is that the evidence was never accounted for. And a nation with such a sophisticated military infrastructure should be able to account for this.

[thx1138]

The U.S. started the war and invasion about the time you were being born, since Gulf War one. I wouldn't say dumb I would say criminal.

[grandpa]

Quote by: thx1138 The U.S. started the war and invasion about the time you were being born, since Gulf War one. I wouldn't say dumb I would say criminal.

It's both dumb and criminal. The Bush Administration was pushing U.S. intelligence agencies toward hyping
and twisting the evidence, as is increasingly common knowledge. Of course, with this Administration's propaganda, you'd think terrorists are ready to pounce at you in your driveway when you go to work in the morning.

Grandpa h.

[The Decider]

Quote by: Winter wind Isn't it a bit hypocritical of the American public in general to be so critical towards politicians who were for the war at the time when 54% (March 2003) of the people supported it and at one time, 72% supported it (April 2003). (This stat is from wikipedia, so if someone would like to get a better stat...)

The public (foolishly) trusted the Bush administration's information. When the information proved bogus, they rightly changed their opinion. They aren't hypocrites; they're victims.

[simple simon]

Quote by: thx1138 The U.S. started the war and invasion about the time you were being born, since Gulf War one. I wouldn't say dumb I would say criminal.

Quote by: grandpa It's both dumb and criminal. Grandpa h.

Quote by: The Decider The public (foolishly) trusted the Bush administration's information. When the information proved bogus, they rightly changed their opinion. They aren't hypocrites; they're victims.

my good God you people .... potential evidence is right under your noses and your Liberal blinders dont allow you to see it

did none of you read this ... or did you just choose to ignore it ?

Quote by: PatC Though I have a friend who was studying in Jordan, not far from Iraq, in the spring of 2003 and says he saw convoys of trailers (i.e. potentially mobile weapons labs) crossing the into Jordan. The point is that the evidence was never accounted for.

seem highly possible Iraq had the stuff and shipped it out through Jordan .... but wait ... that couldnt be true ...... for it would leave your arguments empty

[simple simon]

Quote by: grandpa Of course, with this Administration's propaganda, you'd think terrorists are ready to pounce at you in your driveway when you go to work in the morning. Grandpa h.

apparently you avoid the news reports when they bust terror cells in US and allied countries ? .... how convenient for you

[Fulcanelli]

" To be fair there was a lot of false info given before the War on Iraq and everyone was sort of caught up in thinking Iraq was responsible for 9/11"

Wow, you are so right, it's funny because no admitted at first we were goingi n there because Saddam was sitting on oil. HAHA

[simple simon]

Quote by: Fulcanelli " To be fair there was a lot of false info given before the War on Iraq and everyone was sort of caught up in thinking Iraq was responsible for 9/11" Wow, you are so right, it's funny because no admitted at first we were goingi n there because Saddam was sitting on oil. HAHA

so i suppose if Obama or Clinton get elected the oil prices will magically drop ?

[Fulcanelli]

Did I say that I didn't beleive that too? That's what I though. Now one thing. Do you beleive that oil prices will drop if Obama or Clinton are elected? What I really meant in my last post (on this thred) was that everyone was so caught up in 9/11, and a bunch of other factors people did NOT talk about.

[GPIRS88]

Quote by: simple simon apparently you avoid the news reports when they bust terror cells in US and allied countries ? .... how convenient for you

apparently you avoid every third party news agency , books on American history, foreign policy, the 9/11 commission reports, analysis from the military pre-9/11, BBC's power of nightmares and Why We Fight documentaries and everything a poli-sci prof teaches........how convenient for you

[lsbskins1]

Old but facinating. The public is not so much fickle as it is deluded and uninformed about the real issues involved in what moves power and what constitutes power.

The Real But Unspoken Reasons For The Iraq War

[PatC]

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seem highly possible Iraq had the stuff and shipped it out through Jordan .... but wait ... that couldnt be true ...... for it would leave your arguments empty [/QUOTE]

I dont care if you believe it or not, im just relaying what I heard. The point is is that there is documented evidence that Iraq used chemical weapons at one time. Then they denied their existence, and after the invasion the US was unable to account for them.

[rmnunez]

Some of that "documented evidence that Iraq used chemical weapons" is often cited by the critical left to highlight united statian perfidy by including just two facts; Cheney shaking hands with Saddam shortly before or after Saddam demonstrably killed hundreds of Kurds using chemical weapons of presumptively US manufacture. Saddam did use chemical and biological weapons against Iran (US arch-enemy then and now) and it is claimed the US then provided Saddam with satellite imagery to help assess the impact of the weapons.

Saddam definitely had used chemical and biological weapons, but critical lefties insist all those 'smart' bombs the US fired into Iraq during Desert Storm in 1991, destroyed each and every WMD in Iraq and absolutely every installation of relevance -so there was absolutely nothing WMD-related in all Iraq after that.

[simple simon]

Quote by: PatC I dont care if you believe it or not, im just relaying what I heard. The point is is that there is documented evidence that Iraq used chemical weapons at one time. Then they denied their existence, and after the invasion the US was unable to account for them.

dude i do believe you ..... that's why i quoted you

i believe Iraq had chemical weapons up until the war started (i actually think some may still be there) .... and youre comment is a very plausible scenario that i hoped could shed some light for the war-bashers out there

[thx1138]

Quote by: simple simon dude i do believe you ..... that's why i quoted you i believe Iraq had chemical weapons up until the war started (i actually think some may still be there) .... and youre comment is a very plausible scenario that i hoped could shed some light for the war-bashers out there

The "war-bashers"? so you're a "war-lover"? Then if you haven't done so already go down to the nearest recuitment office and sign-up. Judging by your use of the word "dude" you're still young enough for the service. You belong were the action is, you're wasting your time behind the keyboard pick up your gun Johnny and march to war.


Yes Iraq did have chemical and biological weapons that could have been shipped to Jordan or Syria before the war. He used those weapons in 1988 so we know he had them. So that is your jusification for staying in Iraq for five years?

This left-wing and right-wing crap is why people don't ask real questions, if it makes you feel good to be in a group fine, but you only have two groups to choose from red or blue. F.. that you're being controlled to think that way. We don't have to fit into molds of left and right.

[Century 25]

All politicians are our "employee's" - we hire (elect-appoint) them to do what is best for us.

Now, Iraq never attacked us. The 911 attacks were on the whims & fanaticism of a wealthy & spoiled millionaire son of an even wealthier (billionaire) father. bin Laden. The 'prez' - Bush, lied to us. He & his syndicate crafted the so-called "war on terror", and then.. all the time knowing it wasn't true, he and his syndicate claimed Iraq & Saddam were somehow involved & possessed weapons of mass destruction. The public gave carte blanche to Bush.. he desperately wanted to attack Iraq & sure did.

So, those trusting politico's we elected.. trusted Bush to do the right thing, and voted to give him a green light.

It is okay to change your view. In fact.. it's our responsibility to demand it stops.. this illegal war. But.. how..?? Where is bin Laden..?? Bush didn't scour the region in pursuit. He's fulla crap..!!

Then too.. I always want to know what was the motivation behind 911. We know that corporate America is running roughshod across the earth, taking what they want.. polluting & squandering other nations resources. I think they, the trillionaire cartels, are why so many countries despise us. They have put all of us in harms way.

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