Obama and Clinton Dont Stand A Chance

[simple simon]

it is my opinion that neither Obama or Clinton stand a chance at becoming our next president ....... not even the slightest chance

i dont think this country is ready to elect anyone other then a white man as president ...... again just my opinion ... though i do think it is very accurate and will bear out to be fact

(before anyone decides to flame me as not being PC, grow up .. i vote for the best possible candidate regardless)

i know the KKK and Neo-Nazis still have large followings in this country .... i also know democratic women that will not vote for Clinton because she puts up with an admitted cheating husband

[GHook93]

Quote by: simple simon it is my opinion that neither Obama or Clinton stand a chance at becoming our next president ....... not even the slightest chance i dont think this country is ready to elect anyone other then a white man as president ...... again just my opinion ... though i do think it is very accurate and will bear out to be fact (before anyone decides to flame me as not being PC, grow up .. i vote for the best possible candidate regardless)

You base this on what? The fact that one of them will win the Democratic ticket? The fact that more Democrats voted in IW than Republicans? The fact that in reality there are only 2 parties? The fact that the Democrats won the last Senate and House vote?

i know the KKK and Neo-Nazis still have large followings in this country .... i also know democratic women that will not vote for Clinton because she puts up with an admitted cheating husband

Again you base this on what? This is not true at all! I would say at the most you 500,000 KKK and Neo-Nazis, that is 0.16% (just about an 1/8 of 1%)!

[simple simon]

Quote by: GHook93 You base this on what? The fact that one of them will win the Democratic ticket? The fact that more Democrats voted in IW than Republicans? The fact that in reality there are only 2 parties? The fact that the Democrats won the last Senate and House vote?

i really dont understand your confusion .... no one other then a white man has ever been a serious presidential candidate in this country (Jesse Jackson has never been a serious candidate) .... you think that is just an anomaly that will be corrected this year ?

Again you base this on what? This is not true at all! I would say at the most you 500,000 KKK and Neo-Nazis, that is 0.16% (just about an 1/8 of 1%)!

your figures or estimations are incredibly low if you think only .16% of this country would not vote for a man based on the color of his skin .... add on top of that people that will only vote for their party and any other host of reasons and i still say they have no chance of winning

[Chaossaber314]

Simple Simon does bring up a good question, though it's one that's been debated ad nauseum since Obama and Hillary became front runners.

"Is America ready for a X president?"

X=Black, Woman

I think after Bush, people are ready for something completely different. In a lot of ways, Bush unintentionally paved the way for a black or woman president by being such a polarizing and in some cases downright hated individual. Party is representative of the elected officials they put forward.

If someone like Huckabee gets the Republican nomination I don't think there is any question there will be a Democratic president come January 2009.

[simple simon]

Quote by: Chaossaber314 Simple Simon does bring up a good question

well thank you ....... and as i stated above .. i think there is zero chance either of them get elected

[phoenix_fire]

If Obama can manage to keep away from the image of many black political figures (only concerned about black people and with the race card tucked neatly in his front pocket ready for easy access) then he might have a better chance.

[GHook93]

Quote by: simple simon i really dont understand your confusion .... no one other then a white man has ever been a serious presidential candidate in this country (Jesse Jackson has never been a serious candidate) .... you think that is just an anomaly that will be corrected this year ?

Well if Obama or Clinton win the nomination, which it appears one will do, then they have a great chance of doing. I personally think the US is ready to vote in a Black man or women. Especially a women. Don't forget 50%+ of the population is made of women.

your figures or estimations are incredibly low if you think only .16% of this country would not vote for a man based on the color of his skin .... add on top of that people that will only vote for their party and any other host of reasons and i still say they have no chance of winning

You said KKK and neo-nazis! I don't think they are that big that they can even sway even a primary. We have black, Jewish and Latino govenors and Congressman. LS (a deep south state) even has an Indian (Asia) as a governor. MN has a black Muslim as a Congressman.

[Cl3ver]

If Obama can manage to keep away from the image of many black political figures (only concerned about black people and with the race card tucked neatly in his front pocket ready for easy access) then he might have a better chance.

I think he's done a great job of that already and thats the exact reason WHY Jesse Jackson has never been a serious candidate. He was too against the white man, and didn't seem like a "strong black man" but an angry one. I think Obama has kept himself away from such issues which melded him into the spot he was looking for.

Obama has never talked about race, other then speaking about how great it is that so many people are looking for change and know it when they see it/hear it. He doesn't seem like(or just hides it well) he is expecting to win by the black minority vote which helps him appeal to everyone.

I agree about Clinton though. Obama stole her votes in Iowa and I don't think that pattern will change too much. I guess NH will tell... The polls don't look too good on CNN though

[Suburbanite]

Quote by: simple simon it is my opinion that neither Obama or Clinton stand a chance at becoming our next president ....... not even the slightest chance i dont think this country is ready to elect anyone other then a white man as president ...... again just my opinion ... though i do think it is very accurate and will bear out to be fact (before anyone decides to flame me as not being PC, grow up .. i vote for the best possible candidate regardless) i know the KKK and Neo-Nazis still have large followings in this country .... i also know democratic women that will not vote for Clinton because she puts up with an admitted cheating husband

because KKK members and neo nazis are such big voters right?
its all about the voter population, which is middle class white mostly suburban, so it could go either way.

[Objectivist]

Quote by: GHook93 Well if Obama or Clinton win the nomination, which it appears one will do, then they have a great chance of doing. I personally think the US is ready to vote in a Black man or women. Especially a women. Don't forget 50%+ of the population is made of women.

It is true that 50% of the population are women. But we are (no matter how horrible a fact it is) a Christian nation. And the die-hard Christian women are not Clinton fans. To some of these women, the woman's role in life is to be in submission to their husbands, raising children and managing the home... not a life in politics.

[phoenix_fire]

Heck. I'm a Christian. I'm a woman. I get really irritated with male superiority types. It's one thing you don't want to get me started on. But I'm not going to vote for Hillary. The issue should not be the candidates' genders. If I voted on that, it would demonstrate that that sexist mindset still dictated my actions, even if in an opposite way. Even though I think it would be an affirmation to see a woman in that office, I'm still going to vote my conscience (if at all) even if it means putting that advent off another few years.

[sevendogs]

You are one of the most mislead persons about elections and candidates in this forum.

[phoenix_fire]

Really? Care to expand on that?

[GHook93]

Has anyone cared to see how many more votes the 3 Democratic front-runner received vs the 3 Republican front-runners in IW and NH? The Dems are killing the Rs by a ton of votes. Democrats are more than likely taking the Presidency as they took Congress and it will either be Clinton or Obama!

[grandpa]

Quote by: GHook93 Has anyone cared to see how many more votes the 3 Democratic front-runner received vs the 3 Republican front-runners in IW and NH? The Dems are killing the Rs by a ton of votes.

The Republicans have been so terrible in so many ways, so I wouldn't be surprised. In recent years, America seemed like a long episode of the Twighlight Zone or something (not like things were totally different under Clinton, of course).

Grandpa h.

[Objectivist]

Quote by: GHook93 Has anyone cared to see how many more votes the 3 Democratic front-runner received vs the 3 Republican front-runners in IW and NH? The Dems are killing the Rs by a ton of votes. Democrats are more than likely taking the Presidency as they took Congress and it will either be Clinton or Obama!

It's not too shocking. Around 60%-65% of Americans are against the Iraq war. Which party is for the Iraq war? Republicans.

There is only one Republican that is against the war, Ron Paul. So it's no surprise to me that Democrats are getting more votes than Republicans.

If a pro-war Republican gets the nomination, then a Democrat is going to the White House.

[Sonart]

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Quote by: simple simon i really dont understand your confusion .... no one other then a white man has ever been a serious presidential candidate in this country (Jesse Jackson has never been a serious candidate) .... you think that is just an anomaly that will be corrected this year ?

Ummm.... yeah... pretty much. Or should I say an obsolete tradition that's pretty much run it's course and is running headlong into a collision with history.

Quote by: simple simon 16% of this country would not vote for a man based on the color of his skin .... add on top of that people that will only vote for their party and any other host of reasons and i still say they have no chance of winning

And I suspect that 16% is already part of the 30% of Americans who'd vote Republican even if the candidate had come into their home and murdered their children.

Quote by: Chaossaber "Is America ready for a X president?"

The black candidate is ethnically ambiguous, ala Tiger Woods, and speaks flawless 'Merican, and the woman candidate is well known, generally respected and well connected to an immensely popular former president, and the Republican field has to live down their own Worst President Ever. So yeah, all the stars seem to have converged, one way or the other, for the occassion.

Quote by: phoenix_fire But I'm not going to vote for Hillary.

Ok, that's one against. We'll see how the rest of the count goes.

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[phoenix_fire]

Quote by: Sonart . And I suspect that 16% is already part of the 30% of Americans who'd vote Republican even if the candidate had come into their home and murdered their children.

That's a pretty good analogy for it. I know people like that.

[Jubloz]

Quote by: Chaossaber314 If someone like Huckabee gets the Republican nomination I don't think there is any question there will be a Democratic president come January 2009.

I think that's definitely true. Actually, I take that back; I think that if Huckabee is elected, there's a good chance we'll have a third world war on our hands. But, assuming this doesn't occur, political support does seem to move in waves between conservative and liberalism throughout the elections, and it seems inevitable that a democrat is destined for presidency. It's almost too bad in a way; Americans would be so much better off if they weren't as bound by their political party binary.

[Kite]

Republicans are coming off of a very unpleasant 8 year regime. Usually even if a party's man in the white house screws up they'll still stick by him since hes one of them. But Mr. Bush managed to alienate a very large portion of his own party. This regime has left the republican party divided. There are 5 republican primary candidates, and they all have a different agenda. Hell, the buzz-word for this election is 'Change', and the democratic party's main candidates are the epitamy of change. New race, gender, everything..