Palestinians who prefer Israel!

[GHook93]

Palestinians who prefer Israel | Jerusalem Post

Indeed, Olmert's musings prompted some belligerent responses. As the title of a Globe and Mail news item puts it, "Some Palestinians prefer life in Israel: In East Jerusalem, residents say they would fight a handover to Abbas regime." The article offers the example of Nabil Gheit, who, with two stints in Israeli prisons and posters of "the martyr Saddam Hussein" over the cash register in his store, would be expected to cheer the prospect of parts of eastern Jerusalem coming under PA control. Not so. As mukhtar of Ras Khamis, near Shuafat, Gheit dreads the PA and says he and others would fight a handover. "If there was a referendum here, no one would vote to join the Palestinian Authority...There would be another intifada to defend ourselves from the PA." Two polls released last week, from Keevoon Research, Strategy & Communications and the Arabic-language newspaper As-Sennara, survey representative samples of adult Israeli Arabs on the issue of joining the PA, and they corroborate what Gheit says. Asked, "Would you prefer to be a citizen of Israel or of a new Palestinian state?" 62 percent want to remain Israeli citizens and 14 percent want to join a future Palestinian state. Asked, "Do you support transferring the Triangle [an Arab-dominated area in northern Israel] to the Palestinian Authority?" 78 percent oppose the idea and 18 percent support it. IGNORING THE don't-knows/refused, the ratios of respondents are nearly identical preferring to stay within Israel - 82 percent and 81 percent, respectively. Gheit exaggerates that "no one" wants to live in the PA, but not by much. Thousands of Palestinian residents in Jerusalem who, fearful of the PA, have applied for Israeli citizenship since Olmert's statement further corroborate his point. Why such affection for the state that Palestinians famously revile in the media, in scholarship, classrooms, mosques, and international bodies, that they terrorize on a daily basis? Best to let them explain their motivations in direct quotations.

Reasons:

(1) Financial considerations: "I don't want to have any part in the PA. I want the health insurance, the schools, all the things we get by living here," says Ranya Mohammed. "I'll go and live in Israel before I'll stay here and live under the PA, even if it means taking an Israeli passport. I have seen their suffering in the PA. We have a lot of privileges I'm not ready to give up." (2) Law and order: Gazans, note Israeli-Arab journalists Faiz Abbas and Muhammad Awwad, now "miss the Israelis, since Israel is more merciful than [the Palestinian gunmen] who do not even know why they are fighting and killing one another. It's like organized crime." (3) Raising children: "I want to live in peace and to raise my children in an orderly school," says Jamil Sanduqa. "I don't want to raise my child on throwing stones, or on Hamas." (4) A more predictable future: "I want to keep living here with my wife and child without having to worry about our future. That's why I want Israeli citizenship. I don't know what the future holds," says Samar Qassam, 33. Others raise concerns about corruption, human rights, and even self-esteem ("When the Jews talk about swapping me, it's as though they are denying my right to be a person"). These earnest views do not repudiate the vicious anti-Zionism that reigns in the Middle East, but they reveal that four-fifths of those Palestinians who know Israel at first-hand understand the attractions of a decent life in a decent country, a fact with important and positive implications

I know the anti-semites will come out and twist it on the Jews some how and that is why the Arabs/Palestinians want to remain in the Jewish State over the PA or Future Palestinian State. They will also deny that the Sudanese refugees are literally dieing to get into Israel and feel Israel is the only place they have ever felt safe. Even though entering Israel is a death sentence if they ever return to the Sudan.

That fact is the far left radicals in Europe and America twist Israel into monster, when even Palestinian Israelis (Arab Israelis) over-welmingly prefer to stay in Israel over the future Palestinian state! Regardless of your views of Israel, this is a telling reality!

[Milton Bradley]

Wow, what a shocker.


You mean to tell me when people are terrorized for generations that they're inclined to make bad decisions, and exercise bad judgement, perhaps even crossing over to the other side?


Color me surprised.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Milton Bradley Wow, what a shocker. You mean to tell me when people are terrorized for generations that they're inclined to make bad decisions, and exercise bad judgement, perhaps even crossing over to the other side? Color me surprised.

Que? You're not making sense. The Pals that live in Israel, meaning not the West Bank or Gaza would prefer to be part of Israel and not the WB and/or Gaza under the PA or be part of the Palestinian state.

If the Israeli Arabs were so suppressed, like you and many others erroneously claim, then why wouldn't they prefer to be ruled by their own people? Especially the ones who are being forced to move, only that the border is moving to include them in the PA State.

The only shocker, which you have ignored, is that a strong majority of Israeli Arabs would choose to remain under Israeli authority rather than be under Palestinian Authority.

Could this be because they receive more rights and a better life in Israel than they would receive in any of the neighboring Arab/Muslim countries? I think so!

[Dieval]

Funny how only one person has anything to say about this..throw up an anti-Isreal thread and everyone jumps on the band wagon...

[grandpa]

Quote by: Dieval Funny how only one person has anything to say about this.. throw up an anti-Isreal thread and everyone jumps on the band wagon...

Actually, I'd attribute this to the lack of traffic in Volconvo during the holiday season. More generally, many threads receive little attention, even when perhaps they should.

Furthermore, though maybe you're incapable of seeing it, there actually is an anti-Palestinian, anti-Muslim "bandwagon" as well. It pops up here from time to time, thanks to people such as yourself who also have an agenda.

Grandpa h.

[Dieval]

Quote by: grandpa Actually, I'd attribute this to the lack of traffic in Volconvo during the holiday season. More generally, many threads receive little attention, even when perhaps they should. Furthermore, though maybe you're incapable of seeing it, there actually is an anti-Palestinian, anti-Muslim "bandwagon" as well. It pops up here from time to time, thanks to people such as yourself who also have an agenda. Grandpa h.

I have an agenda? Wow, you know more about me then I do!

I just don't automatically follow the majority of people here and hop on the 'Blame Isreal for the worlds problems' band wagon...

[GHook93]

Quote by: Dieval Funny how only one person has anything to say about this..throw up an anti-Isreal thread and everyone jumps on the band wagon...

Its always the case. Israel and the Jews can only do wrong and nothing right!

[The Dunedan]

How about this:

The leadership of both sides is made up, almost in total, of greedy, rapacaious, power-mad, murderous thugs who have no scruple, consideration for innocent life, or wish to come to a peaceful solution; people who exploit the legitmate suffering of both the Israeli and Palestinian populations for their own ends and have no difficulty with killing, maiming, and "disappearing" those who get in their way.

The unfortunate majority of both the Israeli and Palestinian populations would simply like to go about their buisiness without themselves and their properties being burned down, blown up, or shot.

The entire situation was described by a friend of mine as "The evil, leading the stupid, to kill the innocent, in the name of the holy." Always struck me as pretty accurate.

[grandpa]

Quote by: The Dunedan The leadership of both sides is made up, almost in total, of greedy, rapacaious, power-mad, murderous thugs who have no scruple, consideration for innocent life, or wish to come to a peaceful solution; people who exploit the legitmate suffering of both the Israeli and Palestinian populations for their own ends and have no difficulty with killing, maiming, and "disappearing" those who get in their way. The unfortunate majority of both the Israeli and Palestinian populations would simply like to go about their buisiness without themselves and their properties being burned down, blown up, or shot.

That's my basic position, though there is a false assertion that I'm squarely against Israeli violence. The unfortunate reality, though, is that one side has more power behind its efforts: Israel. They're collectively punishing the Palestinian people with considerably more force.

Grandpa h.

[GHook93]

Quote by: The Dunedan How about this: The leadership of both sides is made up, almost in total, of greedy, rapacaious, power-mad, murderous thugs who have no scruple, consideration for innocent life, or wish to come to a peaceful solution; people who exploit the legitmate suffering of both the Israeli and Palestinian populations for their own ends and have no difficulty with killing, maiming, and "disappearing" those who get in their way. The unfortunate majority of both the Israeli and Palestinian populations would simply like to go about their buisiness without themselves and their properties being burned down, blown up, or shot. The entire situation was described by a friend of mine as "The evil, leading the stupid, to kill the innocent, in the name of the holy." Always struck me as pretty accurate.

If true then that still does example why the Israeli Arabs (Israeli Palestinians) over-welmingly want to be part of Israel over Palestine. Even if all it meant was shifting the border to include their lands in Palestine and no other changes!

[Sonart]

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Quote by: Milton Bradley Wow, what a shocker. You mean to tell me when people are terrorized for generations that they're inclined to make bad decisions, and exercise bad judgement, perhaps even crossing over to the other side? Color me surprised.

That's exactly what I keep saying, but who listens... if you keep attacking and terrorizing the Israelis, they may be inclined to make some bad decisions. Y'know, kick a dog enough and it turns vicious.

...oh wait... you weren't talking about the Israelis, were you.

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[Suburbanite]

Quote by: Milton Bradley Wow, what a shocker. You mean to tell me when people are terrorized for generations that they're inclined to make bad decisions, and exercise bad judgement, perhaps even crossing over to the other side? Color me surprised.

It isn't just that though, its the lack of alternatives. I mean, it isn't like their choices are that glamorous. If it was live in Israel, or live in switzerland, they'd be gone!

[GHook93]

Quote by: Suburbanite It isn't just that though, its the lack of alternatives. I mean, it isn't like their choices are that glamorous. If it was live in Israel, or live in switzerland, they'd be gone!

BS! They could easily move across the ocean to Europe or America! They choose to stay in Israel, because life is not bad for them their! If the alternatives were as bad as you eroneously state they are, then you would see a larger proportion of the Israeli Arabs choosing Palestine.

Yet that isn't the case!