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Mr.Vicchio · Jul 9, 2004, 11:59 pm

January 31, 2004
John Edwards Is Ready To Tell Us His Secret

He hears dead people. Live ones, too, according to the NY Times:

In 1985, a 31-year-old North Carolina lawyer named John Edwards stood before a jury and channeled the words of an unborn baby girl.

Referring to an hour-by-hour record of a fetal heartbeat monitor, Mr. Edwards told the jury: "She said at 3, `I'm fine.' She said at 4, `I'm having a little trouble, but I'm doing O.K.' Five, she said, `I'm having problems.' At 5:30, she said, `I need out.' "

But the obstetrician, he argued in an artful blend of science and passion, failed to heed the call. By waiting 90 more minutes to perform a breech delivery, rather than immediately performing a Caesarean section, Mr. Edwards said, the doctor permanently damaged the girl's brain.

"She speaks to you through me," the lawyer went on in his closing argument. "And I have to tell you right now — I didn't plan to talk about this — right now I feel her. I feel her presence. She's inside me, and she's talking to you."

The jury came back with a $6.5 million verdict in the cerebral palsy case, and Mr. Edwards established his reputation as the state's most feared plaintiff's lawyer.

OK, John. That puts a whole new wrinkle on your attempts to appeal to crossover voters.

Now, the Edwards camp will consider this from the Times piece to be a cheap shot:

An examination of Mr. Edwards's legal career also opens a window onto the world of personal injury litigation. In building his career, Mr. Edwards underbid other lawyers to win promising clients, sifted through several dozen expert witnesses to find one who would attest to his claims, and opposed state legislation that would have helped all families with brain-damaged children and not just those few who win big malpractice awards.

http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2004/week5/

This is a story I heard on the radio, and it amazed me. This isn't the only case, but its a good example of how he worked as a lawyer. You like law suits? You will love the little john.

The Dunedan · Jul 10, 2004, 12:03 am

And on the other end of things, a President and Atty. General who think God speaks directly to them, telling them whom to invade.
Sure is nice to know we've got such sane leaders in this country...

dotcoma · Jul 10, 2004, 12:04 am

Look, Edwards is a Bilderberger: A traitor to the USA (just like CFR Bush and his Daddy), but at least he doesn't claim God talks to him.

dotcoma · Jul 10, 2004, 12:05 am

"I believe the puppet on the right shares my beliefs...."

Mr.Vicchio · Jul 10, 2004, 12:18 am

I beleive you guys who dislike Bush are in for four more years of him... sorry.

Sad part, the next attack should it occur, will probably be followed by Roxdog going to the Frnech web sites and finding out how to turn the attack by Muslim Extrmist into a Bush led plot for power... sigh...

dotcoma · Jul 10, 2004, 12:33 am

Yeah, I'm sure Edwards attending Bilderberg is probably a fluke. And I'm sure most Americans enjoy the fact that the bin Ladens have been Bush Family business partners since the 70s. And the French? Where are you getting that? You're gonna have to come up with something better than that...

Mr.Vicchio · Jul 10, 2004, 12:52 am

Yeah you got season passes to F911 too didn't you. Give it up Roxdog, there is no bin laden/Bush connection. Sheesh you think everything is the devil.

The Dunedan · Jul 10, 2004, 01:02 am

Oh for the Love of...
Mr. V, Michael Moore is hardly the only person talking about this, he's just the most obnoxious. The Bush/bin Laden connections are well-documented. Not direct connections to Usama, but to the heads of his family, mind.
Secondly, not everyone who bashes Bush is a Democrat. You should hear some of the things Roxdog and I ( and many other like us ) have to say about Billy Jeff Klintoon, or Jihad Janet, or that war criminal the Dems are running this year. We're Libertarians; we hate BOTH parties!
Thirdly, if you actually bothered to read up on groups like the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderberg Group, or the Bohemian Grove Club, you'd begin to understand why people get a little concerned when almost ALL their political leaders all seem to belong to this same group of clubs. Instead, you and others see fit only to make snide "Tinfoil hat! Tinfoil hat!" comments.

Section 8 · Jul 10, 2004, 01:08 am

Guys, lighten up with the ad hominem.

dotcoma · Jul 10, 2004, 01:15 am

Quote:

there is no bin laden/Bush connection

Seriously? None? You seriously believe that? Its time for you to get your head out of the sand.

Mr.Vicchio · Jul 10, 2004, 02:02 am

Seriously Roxdog.

Business is business, to say that business deals as tenious as the ones between Bush and the bin Ladens means some great Consp. is going down, then you have to accept people like Richard Clarke were in on it. Do you believe that Roxdog?

Gorgo · Jul 10, 2004, 07:20 am

Sounds like a pretty good lawyer working in a very flawed system and that science makes mistakes but learns from them.

When I started reading this I thought it was an expose' on the other Edwards that does claim to talk to the dead and I was excited to finally find a thread where I could finally agree with Mr. V.

dotcoma · Jul 10, 2004, 07:36 am

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr.Vicchio,
Seriously Roxdog.

Business is business, to say that business deals as tenious as the ones between Bush and the bin Ladens means some great Consp. is going down, then you have to accept people like Richard Clarke were in on it. Do you believe that Roxdog?

I believe Clarke could have been just as compartmentalized as Dubya, yes...

dotcoma · Jul 10, 2004, 07:37 am

Business is business....sheeh, seriously V, do you have a George W. blow-up doll?

Mr.Vicchio · Jul 10, 2004, 09:14 am

No roxdog, I just know the world works XX way, and you theories are at best, tenious to logic. For you to be correct, there would have to be a structure so secret, so powerful, so PERFECT for it to all work. Why waste time with elections? Why waste time with the UN, why hasn't this powerful government taken over EVERYTHING???

Hmmm..

Oh wait they have... Witht he "idiot" Bush as thier puppet right? seriously man, unplug from the web for a month, go get some sun and relax with no TV, no radio, no net and really think about how much it would require for even one of your Consp. Thoeries to actually WORK!

dotcoma · Jul 10, 2004, 09:15 am

If you could even address one issue maybe your response would hold a bit of water. It isn't a theory that the Bush and bin Laden families are two peas in a pod.

Mr.Vicchio · Jul 10, 2004, 09:25 am

Yes it is roxdog, a VERY thin line. Its nothing more then business as usual, do you think that every oil person that had a connection to bin Laden was in on it too???

Wow the Bush family made money in Saudi Oil... how DARE they?? The oil kings of Saudi Arabia oh, you mean there were bin Laden relatives?? See it all fits together, if you just look at the deals, I am right now.. reading the lkook sites and news sites touting this silliness...

hold on here is one:

"Bath -- who made his fortune by investing money for Mahfouz and another BCCI-connected Saudi, Sheikh bin-Laden -- ... was an original investor in George Bush Jr.'s oil exploration company..."

from The Outlaw Bank, page 229.

(BAM look at that, a man made money... and he worked for Bush and the bin ladens... I see a conviction comming really I do!)

DIAGRAM OF BIN LADEN MONEY SENT TO GW BUSH THROUGH JAMES R. BATH

"... BCCI would make payments to key officials, sometimes in suitcases filled with cash. As BCCI officer Abdur Askhia stated in interviews to the Subcommittee staff: Abedi's philosophy was to appeal to every sector. President Carter's main thing was charity, so he gave Carter charity. Pakistani President Zia's brother in law needed a job, he got a job. Bangladeshi president Ashraf's mistress needed a job, she got a job. Admission of your son to a top college, he would arrange it somehow. There was a world wide list of people who were in the payoff of BCCI...".

from United States Senate Subcommittee Report on Bank Credit Commerce International, 1992 -- the Kerry Committee.

(Note, President Carter was in on 9/11 too)

Bush OKs Military Aid For Rebels - By AP

KENNEBUNKPORT, Maine (AP) - President Bush has approved continuing U.S. military aid to the Mujahadeen rebels resisting the Soviet-imposed government in Afghanistan, an administration spokesman said Saturday. Deputy press secretary Steve Hart confirmed that Bush had decided Friday to continue helping the rebels. "The president met with his National Security Council," Hart said, "and reaffirmed U.S. policy" of continuing the flow of money, arms and supplies to the rebels..."

March 16, 1989
Column: by LEONARD LARSEN

(AHHH! The whole Afgahnistan agianst the Soviet connection, yes America created bin Laden, made him HATE America, by helping them out... yes I see how CLEAR it is... really! I mena, I would want to kill those that helped me too)

http://lundissimo.info/wtc/bushbinladen.html

Should I go on? Or can I stop now? My sides are splitting at wahat passes for "evil connections" here. Seriously, you are funny Rox I missed ya.

dotcoma · Jul 10, 2004, 09:28 am

Quote:

do you think that every oil person that had a connection to bin Laden was in on it too???

Not every oilman's families vacationed together. I find this pretty sad, if it were the evil Clinton you harp about that had these connections you'd call for his head. You're putting the furor in front of your country. You are no longer American.

dotcoma · Jul 10, 2004, 09:30 am

Nice quick google you did there. How about actually educating yourself as opposed to researching info specifically as an attempt to debunk it. You know, the whole objectivity thing...

Mr.Vicchio · Jul 10, 2004, 09:34 am

You know, objectivity lessons froma man that thinks the pentagon wasn't hit by an airliner is almost funny.

I have read into it Roxdog, and the people spouting it are... Michael Moore, one of the worst liars in history of cinema. That he labels his MOVIE a Documentary is humor. And it just goes down hill from there.

Jul 9, 2004, 11:59 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,335	January 31, 2004 John Edwards Is Ready To Tell Us His Secret He hears dead people. Live ones, too, according to the NY Times: In 1985, a 31-year-old North Carolina lawyer named John Edwards stood before a jury and channeled the words of an unborn baby girl. Referring to an hour-by-hour record of a fetal heartbeat monitor, Mr. Edwards told the jury: "She said at 3, `I'm fine.' She said at 4, `I'm having a little trouble, but I'm doing O.K.' Five, she said, `I'm having problems.' At 5:30, she said, `I need out.' " But the obstetrician, he argued in an artful blend of science and passion, failed to heed the call. By waiting 90 more minutes to perform a breech delivery, rather than immediately performing a Caesarean section, Mr. Edwards said, the doctor permanently damaged the girl's brain. "She speaks to you through me," the lawyer went on in his closing argument. "And I have to tell you right now — I didn't plan to talk about this — right now I feel her. I feel her presence. She's inside me, and she's talking to you." The jury came back with a $6.5 million verdict in the cerebral palsy case, and Mr. Edwards established his reputation as the state's most feared plaintiff's lawyer. OK, John. That puts a whole new wrinkle on your attempts to appeal to crossover voters. Now, the Edwards camp will consider this from the Times piece to be a cheap shot: An examination of Mr. Edwards's legal career also opens a window onto the world of personal injury litigation. In building his career, Mr. Edwards underbid other lawyers to win promising clients, sifted through several dozen expert witnesses to find one who would attest to his claims, and opposed state legislation that would have helped all families with brain-damaged children and not just those few who win big malpractice awards. http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2004/week5/ This is a story I heard on the radio, and it amazed me. This isn't the only case, but its a good example of how he worked as a lawyer. You like law suits? You will love the little john. Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

Jul 10, 2004, 12:18 am	#5 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,335	I beleive you guys who dislike Bush are in for four more years of him... sorry. Sad part, the next attack should it occur, will probably be followed by Roxdog going to the Frnech web sites and finding out how to turn the attack by Muslim Extrmist into a Bush led plot for power... sigh... Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

Jul 10, 2004, 12:52 am	#7 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,335	Yeah you got season passes to F911 too didn't you. Give it up Roxdog, there is no bin laden/Bush connection. Sheesh you think everything is the devil. Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

Jul 10, 2004, 02:02 am	#11 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,335	Seriously Roxdog. Business is business, to say that business deals as tenious as the ones between Bush and the bin Ladens means some great Consp. is going down, then you have to accept people like Richard Clarke were in on it. Do you believe that Roxdog? Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

Jul 10, 2004, 09:14 am	#15 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,335	No roxdog, I just know the world works XX way, and you theories are at best, tenious to logic. For you to be correct, there would have to be a structure so secret, so powerful, so PERFECT for it to all work. Why waste time with elections? Why waste time with the UN, why hasn't this powerful government taken over EVERYTHING??? Hmmm.. Oh wait they have... Witht he "idiot" Bush as thier puppet right? seriously man, unplug from the web for a month, go get some sun and relax with no TV, no radio, no net and really think about how much it would require for even one of your Consp. Thoeries to actually WORK! Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

Jul 10, 2004, 12:03 am	#2 (permalink) (top)
The Dunedan Hot Lava Posts: 925	And on the other end of things, a President and Atty. General who think God speaks directly to them, telling them whom to invade. Sure is nice to know we've got such sane leaders in this country...

Jul 10, 2004, 12:04 am	#3 (permalink) (top)
dotcoma Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	Look, Edwards is a Bilderberger: A traitor to the USA (just like CFR Bush and his Daddy), but at least he doesn't claim God talks to him.

Jul 10, 2004, 12:05 am	#4 (permalink) (top)
dotcoma Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	"I believe the puppet on the right shares my beliefs...."

Jul 10, 2004, 12:33 am	#6 (permalink) (top)
dotcoma Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	Yeah, I'm sure Edwards attending Bilderberg is probably a fluke. And I'm sure most Americans enjoy the fact that the bin Ladens have been Bush Family business partners since the 70s. And the French? Where are you getting that? You're gonna have to come up with something better than that...

Jul 10, 2004, 01:02 am	#8 (permalink) (top)
The Dunedan Hot Lava Posts: 925	Oh for the Love of... Mr. V, Michael Moore is hardly the only person talking about this, he's just the most obnoxious. The Bush/bin Laden connections are well-documented. Not direct connections to Usama, but to the heads of his family, mind. Secondly, not everyone who bashes Bush is a Democrat. You should hear some of the things Roxdog and I ( and many other like us ) have to say about Billy Jeff Klintoon, or Jihad Janet, or that war criminal the Dems are running this year. We're Libertarians; we hate BOTH parties! Thirdly, if you actually bothered to read up on groups like the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderberg Group, or the Bohemian Grove Club, you'd begin to understand why people get a little concerned when almost ALL their political leaders all seem to belong to this same group of clubs. Instead, you and others see fit only to make snide "Tinfoil hat! Tinfoil hat!" comments.

Jul 10, 2004, 01:08 am	#9 (permalink) (top)
Section 8 Hot Lava Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 782	Guys, lighten up with the ad hominem.

Jul 10, 2004, 07:20 am	#12 (permalink) (top)
Gorgo BANNED-Warned multiple times about instigating. User then reported topics multiple times to mess with staff. Posts: 4,412	Sounds like a pretty good lawyer working in a very flawed system and that science makes mistakes but learns from them. When I started reading this I thought it was an expose' on the other Edwards that does claim to talk to the dead and I was excited to finally find a thread where I could finally agree with Mr. V.

Jul 10, 2004, 07:37 am	#14 (permalink) (top)
dotcoma Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	Business is business....sheeh, seriously V, do you have a George W. blow-up doll?

Jul 10, 2004, 09:15 am	#16 (permalink) (top)
dotcoma Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	If you could even address one issue maybe your response would hold a bit of water. It isn't a theory that the Bush and bin Laden families are two peas in a pod.

Jul 10, 2004, 09:25 am	#17 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,335	Yes it is roxdog, a VERY thin line. Its nothing more then business as usual, do you think that every oil person that had a connection to bin Laden was in on it too??? Wow the Bush family made money in Saudi Oil... how DARE they?? The oil kings of Saudi Arabia oh, you mean there were bin Laden relatives?? See it all fits together, if you just look at the deals, I am right now.. reading the lkook sites and news sites touting this silliness... hold on here is one: "Bath -- who made his fortune by investing money for Mahfouz and another BCCI-connected Saudi, Sheikh bin-Laden -- ... was an original investor in George Bush Jr.'s oil exploration company..." from The Outlaw Bank, page 229. (BAM look at that, a man made money... and he worked for Bush and the bin ladens... I see a conviction comming really I do!) DIAGRAM OF BIN LADEN MONEY SENT TO GW BUSH THROUGH JAMES R. BATH "... BCCI would make payments to key officials, sometimes in suitcases filled with cash. As BCCI officer Abdur Askhia stated in interviews to the Subcommittee staff: Abedi's philosophy was to appeal to every sector. President Carter's main thing was charity, so he gave Carter charity. Pakistani President Zia's brother in law needed a job, he got a job. Bangladeshi president Ashraf's mistress needed a job, she got a job. Admission of your son to a top college, he would arrange it somehow. There was a world wide list of people who were in the payoff of BCCI...". from United States Senate Subcommittee Report on Bank Credit Commerce International, 1992 -- the Kerry Committee. (Note, President Carter was in on 9/11 too) Bush OKs Military Aid For Rebels - By AP KENNEBUNKPORT, Maine (AP) - President Bush has approved continuing U.S. military aid to the Mujahadeen rebels resisting the Soviet-imposed government in Afghanistan, an administration spokesman said Saturday. Deputy press secretary Steve Hart confirmed that Bush had decided Friday to continue helping the rebels. "The president met with his National Security Council," Hart said, "and reaffirmed U.S. policy" of continuing the flow of money, arms and supplies to the rebels..." March 16, 1989 Column: by LEONARD LARSEN (AHHH! The whole Afgahnistan agianst the Soviet connection, yes America created bin Laden, made him HATE America, by helping them out... yes I see how CLEAR it is... really! I mena, I would want to kill those that helped me too) http://lundissimo.info/wtc/bushbinladen.html Should I go on? Or can I stop now? My sides are splitting at wahat passes for "evil connections" here. Seriously, you are funny Rox I missed ya. Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

Jul 10, 2004, 09:30 am	#19 (permalink) (top)
dotcoma Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	Nice quick google you did there. How about actually educating yourself as opposed to researching info specifically as an attempt to debunk it. You know, the whole objectivity thing...

Jul 10, 2004, 09:34 am	#20 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,335	You know, objectivity lessons froma man that thinks the pentagon wasn't hit by an airliner is almost funny. I have read into it Roxdog, and the people spouting it are... Michael Moore, one of the worst liars in history of cinema. That he labels his MOVIE a Documentary is humor. And it just goes down hill from there. Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?