America Haters

[Sodfather]

I am fed up with these America haters from other countries, especially ones you find on the web. There seems to be a hop-on-the-hate-America-bandwagon effect going around the world. Most don't even know what they hate America for, they just say, "Bush."

Well, personally, I think they are uneducated assholes. Sure, we have made more than our share of fuck-ups, but these haters are hating for unknown reasons...They have no idea what American culture is about, they see one redneck on their local station screaming, "Kill dem Ay-Rabs!" and they then go on to stereotype every American like that redneck. Their countries must be so drab that all they do is bash America...Bash your own country; you live in the Netherlands, is there nothing wrong with your country that you have all this spare time to focus on our problems?

Someone else here must see this, they must.

[Sean]

easy on the language plz....want to keep this profess...but won't put censors on. Thanks...

[Johnson]

There wouldn't be America haters if the US didn't have a global agenda.:)

[uitmokum]

Sodfather my friend, "we" europeans don't "hate Americans", we hate the American foreign politics and we do know about "American culture" We are very well educated, specially compaired to the level of education the average American sitizen becomes.
We do not hate American politics becouse we don't know what it's about. We hate it becouse we do know!
See we don't have censored and bought media that lies to us all the time, we don't need the "American Freedom" the U.S. administration wants to force on us, it would mean loosing our freedom and our rights, just as the U.S. people has lost their freedom and rights. Heard of the Patriot act?

ever heard of fascism? It's scary! And it's not just Europeans hating the Bush administration :

http://www.oldamericancentury.org/index.htm

http://www.ericblumrich.com/idiot.html

[greendeath]

Originally posted by Sodfather@Aug 30 2003, 06:49 PM I am fed up with these America haters from other countries, especially ones you find on the web. There seems to be a hop-on-the-hate-America-bandwagon effect going around the world. Most don't even know what they hate America for, they just say, "Bush." Well, personally, I think they are uneducated assholes. Sure, we have made more than our share of fuck-ups, but these haters are hating for unknown reasons...They have no idea what American culture is about, they see one redneck on their local station screaming, "Kill dem Ay-Rabs!" and they then go on to stereotype every American like that redneck. Their countries must be so drab that all they do is bash America...Bash your own country; you live in the Netherlands, is there nothing wrong with your country that you have all this spare time to focus on our problems? Someone else here must see this, they must.

I am not an America-hater, but an America-disliker. Why? Bush. You sit and claim that people who do not have the best of thoughts on America are "uneducated", yet you fail to realize that proper education does not come from the media.

Your opinions all seem to be based on what the media has fed to you along with their bland-bullshit side dishes. What you have displayed here is not in any way correct, the only thing you have shown me, personally, is that you yourself are the uneducated one. Anyone with proper education does not need to slander other people for their beliefs in order to win an arguement.

"Fuck-ups" you call them. These "fuck-ups" are nothing more than accidents caused by lack of carefulness, and by lack of proper leadership. Not just that, but that these "fuck-ups" you claim American has made, most of which America does not even take credit for, are not even frowned upon or disciplined for.

You assume that people hate American for "unknown reasons", well it is blatantly obvious that these reasons are unknown, but only to you, not to the people themselves who have these beliefs and opinions.

Now about stereotypes, is America not the leader in coming up with, what they think, are witty outbursts made towards religions, beliefs, and cultures other than their own? This is a hypocritical statement indeed. My country is not "drab" enough to base my disliking on America for no reason, as many reasons contribute to this...including the same stereotypes which you speak of. I come from Canada, and I'm sure the first thing that pops into your head is "EH? ABOOT!" Thank you for building my own arguement for me, hypocrite.

The only other person who would "see" the same things you do, would be those who have been brainwashed by the American media such as you have, into believing that standing up for their country is "patriotism" not "lying to yourself while still feeling good about it."

[Fallen Angel]

I don't think much of the American fast culture, such as fast food etc, copying it has turned Australia into a miniture USA in some ways, but I'm a little tired amongst others of hearing all the bullshit that comes out of the mouths of Anti bush and Anti US antagonisers.
If it wasnt for the US the Japs would have butchered my people in WW2, anyone heard of the rape of Nangking?
Well the rape of Brisbane would have been added to it if the Yanks had of lost the battle of the Coral sea.
So what do you think would happen if the US pulled out of world affairs?
Do you think everyone is just suddenly going to hug each other and go home?

[Nicole]

I totally agree with that last reply.

I also think it's terribly hypocritical for the rest of the world to complain when the US *does* get involved and say we need to mind our own business, then when the US does *not* get involved, we're turning our backs on the civilization and well-being of less-fortunate countries.

Please excuse my run-on sentences...:)

Originally posted by Sodfather@Aug 30 2003, 06:49 PM I am fed up with these America haters from other countries, especially ones you find on the web. There seems to be a hop-on-the-hate-America-bandwagon effect going around the world. Most don't even know what they hate America for, they just say, "Bush." Well, personally, I think they are uneducated assholes. Sure, we have made more than our share of fuck-ups, but these haters are hating for unknown reasons...They have no idea what American culture is about, they see one redneck on their local station screaming, "Kill dem Ay-Rabs!" and they then go on to stereotype every American like that redneck. Their countries must be so drab that all they do is bash America...Bash your own country; you live in the Netherlands, is there nothing wrong with your country that you have all this spare time to focus on our problems? Someone else here must see this, they must.

amen, brother!

[Dislogic]

Sorry But Greendeath hit it on the mark! and whats more i am American!

[Sean]

Originally posted by mrhotdogla@Aug 31 2003, 06:36 PM ALL OF YOU EUROTRASH CAN SUC MY DEEK. ( I DONT CONSIDER THE U.K. ARE PART OF OLD EUROPE EITHER ) YOUR JEALOUS LITTLE BEOTCHES. YOU ARE NOTHING. WE PROSPER WE BUILD WE INVENT WE FEED THE WORLD WE PROTECT FREEDOM NOT THE EU,, NOT THE INEFFECTUAL "un" EITHER. YOU OVERLY P.C. TRAMPS DONT GET IT. WE DO WHAT WE WANT,, WHEN WE WANT TO AND THERE IS NOTHING ANY OF YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT. AND WE DONT GIVE A FLYING FUCC WHAT ANY OF YOU EUROTRASH THINK. THATS WHAT BURNS YOU UP. WE DO THINGS OUR WAY NOT YOUR WAY. SO GET OVER IT. IF YOU EUROTRASH ARE SO EDUCATED THEN WHY DO WE HAVE TO FIGHT YOUR WARS. WE KICKED HITLERS ASS FOR YOU. YOU NEED US AND YOU HATE IT. YOU GET NO APOLOGY FOR AMERICAN FORIEGN POLICY. EVER.

I deleted your post, which I quoted above. You're new to Volconvo, so I'll let it slide (heck we're all new here), but I don't want any more moronic, all caps posts. Please talk normally, I'm sure you have tons of emotion, and tons of concepts, but you can express them better than this!

Thanks..

[thrice]

I must say that I agree with you (sodfather) but to a certain extent. Yes, a lot of the hate towards Americans is created because of Bush, and yes, a lot of it comes from uninformed individuals. I personaly don't hold any grudge towards american people, but I must say that I really dislike the american government, and I'm pretty sure that's also the case for most people. And how can you expect that other countries won't hate you when the exact same thing is happening in your own country and is even encouraged (on certain levels) by your government. The best example of this would be what happened to France when they refused to help out.

Bash your own country; you live in the Netherlands, is there nothing wrong with your country that you have all this spare time to focus on our problems?

When your problems may have global consequences, they are not your problems anymore. And with the US being the world's most powerful economy, pretty much all of your problems have global repercutions. So I think it's prefectly normal for other countries to get involved in your affairs, just like the US government seems to find it pretty normal for them to get involved in everything.

[thrice]

lol

*regarding the post Sean deleted*

I mean...good lord. If you think people were only hating americans because of what some redneck told on TV, then I think this post proves you wrong. I don't think many rednecks have the internet, further more I really don't think they would join this type of forum...hehe. Oh well...

[G. Adams]

Sodfather, you claim that these 'america haters' are are stereotyping ignorants. Isn't that a stereotype itself? Especially the lash at Holland?

[Sodfather]

First off, your whole post is nonsense, read my post correctly ebfore wasting your time on your own.

Originally posted by greendeath@Aug 31 2003, 01:52 AM I am not an America-hater, but an America-disliker. Why? Bush. You sit and claim that people who do not have the best of thoughts on America are "uneducated", yet you fail to realize that proper education does not come from the media.

I read this first paragraph and decided to not take the rest of it seriously for you proved my point in only a few statements.

you fail to realize that proper education does not come from the media.

Thank you, I couldn't have said it better. Where have you gotten your education on America? Do they have courses on the America-Iraq situation in European colleges and high schools already? Not unless some crazy stenographer wrote a new textbook and published it in a few months. So where do you get your education on us, my friend? Where did you get your extensive knowledge of our culture? Chances are you haven't been in America for more than a month if at all. THE MEDIA, EXACTLY! ALL OF YOUR OPINIONS HAVE BEEN FORMED BY THE MEDIA.

you fail to realize that proper education does not come from the media.

THEREFORE, YOU HAVE NOT BEEN PROPERLY EDUCATED ABOUT AMERICA AND WHAT IT'S CITIZENS ARE LIKE, AND WHAT THEY THINK, AND WHAT THEY APPROVE AND DISAPPROVE OF, AND WHAT MILITARY ACTIONS THEY APPROVE OF, AND WHAT LAWS THEY APPROVE OF, and the list of what you think you know from your television overseas can go on and on and on. We are a diverse people with diverse opinions, you cannot see an interview of one senator, one citizen, a hundred citizens, on television and assume that that is the general belief in America!

Case closed, you're a fool. :(

[Sodfather]

Ohhhhh no, oh no, oh no. Why did I read into your post further, greendeath?

Now about stereotypes, is America not the leader in coming up with, what they think, are witty outbursts made towards religions, beliefs, and cultures other than their own? This is a hypocritical statement indeed. My country is not "drab" enough to base my disliking on America for no reason, as many reasons contribute to this...including the same stereotypes which you speak of. I come from Canada, and I'm sure the first thing that pops into your head is "EH? ABOOT!" Thank you for building my own arguement for me, hypocrite.

All you do is speak of America as one central mass of stereotyping hypocrites...YOU DON'T KNOW ME, YOU'VE READ ONE POST BY ME, WITH NO STEREOTYPING CONTAINED IN IT, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN I'M AUTOMATICALLY A STEREOTYPNG HYPOCRITE! If you...Are that stupid...To compose a sentence putting stereotyping and hypocrisy down...And then going on to prove yourself to be exactly what you've denounced, a stereotyper and a hypocrite...Leave these damn forums.

[thrice]

oh man, if this is how it's going to be around here, then I'm out. This is no "healty" debate. Mrhotdog or whatever, you're absolutely ridiculous...

[Sean]

don't worry Thrice..I feel the same way. I also received a report message in my email..he's gone.

[G. Adams]

Ahh, us foreigners know nothing of terrorism, do we?

Private american citizens have been the principle sponsers of the IRA (Provos), who have killed 2000 people over the last 30 years.

The UK minorities suffer about 5 deaths a year by Combat 18, a militant fascist group.

Spain has had over a 1000 deaths from killings by ETA, the Basque seperatists armed group.

Germany had multiple bombs, deaths and the kidnap of one of its tycoons by Baader Meinhoff and its Red Brigade.

Greece and Italy continually suffer attacks from multiple left wing terrorist groups, including November 17 and the Red Army.

The people of Iraq suffered a dictator for 30 odd years, Saddam, because he and his party were thought to be a good deal for the US and UK. His group got in through terrorism.

The Sandinista government, its mandate ratified by election after its coup, was continually plagued by Contra's, the CIA funded, organised and trained Christian terrorist group.

Hell, I can't be bothered going through the rest of the latin american countries specifics, but Argentina, Brazil and Guatemala are among countries suffering from US sponsered terrorism. Not forgetting Ortega and Noriega, both who went through training at the CIA 'School of the Americas', who went on to use those counter revolutionary skills to lead bloody coups and dictatorships for themselves.

Dammit, we empathised with America with its loss, but you can't just emotionally blackmail people into supporting more killings.

You know why Europe is generally pacifist? Because we've had two world wars here. The US has not had nightly bombing raids plaguing its cities for years on end. Its not had tanks rolling through its streets. Its not had 40 million dead on its continent from war in the space of 6 years. Thats why were not eager to inflict the same pain on others again, and thats why we get pissed at the US gov. when it attacks countries for jumped up reasons, because your making the same mistakes we did.

[thrice]

You know why Europe is generally pacifist? Because we've had two world wars here. The US has not had nightly bombing raids plaguing its cities for years on end. Its not had tanks rolling through its streets. Its not had 40 million dead on its continent from war in the space of 6 years. Thats why were not eager to inflict the same pain on others again, and thats why we get pissed at the US gov. when it attacks countries for jumped up reasons, because your making the same mistakes we did

Extremely good point.

[G. Adams]

Sodfather, where else did you get your information on the Iraq War 2003 if not the media? Or are you actually a government insider?

And Europe is in a better position up here on our fence, where our views are less obstructed by the most complacent and complient media in the western world (except Italy, god thats a mess that needs sorting).