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Geoff332 · Nov 7, 2003, 04:23 pm

Castile,

If you can deraw conclusions from one or two experiences that are entirely not representative of the population of business failures, then you're welcome to.

I will point to one important little fact: there is nothing to suggest that the people who failed did not also have equal amounts of, "creativity, determination, and setting goals". There's no question that these things are necessary for success, but are they sufficient?

RebelWithanAK · Nov 7, 2003, 05:17 pm

Oh, I get it now. Minorities and women do not succeed as much in business ventures because while they don't personally have the skills necessary for such an undertaking, they also don't have friends or relatives who do, either. So what does this prove, other than the fact that it's a self-serving prophecy? Here I was thinking the 'social dynamics' you were alluding to had more to them than the fact that as a whole, minorities have less experience in business ventures.

Geoff332 · Nov 8, 2003, 08:30 am

No, Rebel, you clearly don't get it. But I realise you never will, so what's the point?

GuidoNius · Nov 8, 2003, 09:41 am

Oh, Geoff, come on. That non-sequitur has a beard so long even your great grand dad would not deign to be seen in its presence.

You know "what your intentions", indeed?

You know, maybe you do but if you´d read what I wrote you´d know it were not your intentions I referred to.

As I said, using a brain in much the same way as the tools between the legs. But rather hypocritical at that.

Agnes

castille · Nov 9, 2003, 11:56 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Geoff332,)
Castile,
I will point to one important little fact: there is nothing to suggest that the people who failed did not also have equal amounts of, "creativity, determination, and setting goals". There's no question that these things are necessary for success, but are they sufficient?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

This is exactly why I dislike university academics and their theories. They only believe something if its backed up by a bunch of depressing statistics and other technical jargon.

What I find ironic is that many of these "business analysts" have never run a business in their life. Yet they insist they are right simply because they are good at coming up with numbers.

What do statistics determine? Very little. I could say 92.935249% of business owners fail after 12.2352 years, but so what? It only serves to discourage people from entering business.

Creativity, determination, and goals are the factors which drive you to success. Creativity comes up with crazy ideas that just might work. Determination drives you to learn other skills essential to business. Goals give you something to aim for.

Geoff, if failed business owners did have the same determination as Donald Trump, then surely they would not have failed. They would have got up again and again and again, until they succeeded.

G. Adams · Nov 10, 2003, 10:01 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (castille,)
<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Geoff332,)
Castile,
I will point to one important little fact: there is nothing to suggest that the people who failed did not also have equal amounts of, "creativity, determination, and setting goals". There's no question that these things are necessary for success, but are they sufficient?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

This is exactly why I dislike university academics and their theories. They only believe something if its backed up by a bunch of depressing statistics and other technical jargon.

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Eesh, those academics and their facts. If they would just believe the propaganda I tell them the world would be so much better.

castille · Nov 17, 2003, 07:43 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (G. Adams,)

Eesh, those academics and their facts. If they would just believe the propaganda I tell them the world would be so much better.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Hey thats what your friend Stalin said. (then he said "screw it, lets kill all the university academics since they're not contributing to Communism", and he wiped out 10 million Russians from the face of the Earth in a few years).

G. Adams · Nov 17, 2003, 08:22 am

I was being sarcastic, it was you who said you hated facts. so you put yourself in Stalins camp now? well I always thought you believed your own bullshit.

castille · Nov 17, 2003, 08:28 am

Hey, Stalin is your friend, not mine. I don't support Communists who kill 9 million people....except I do congratulate Stalin's methods of doing it (the irony....anyone accused of being a "non-Communist" is immediately executed).

Be careful....in our next Communist government, I could accuse you of being a non-Communist without even knowing it, and you'd be sitting in a Soviet labour camp wondering what went wrong with Communism. Hey, that would be real ironic!

G. Adams · Nov 17, 2003, 08:51 am

why is Stalin my friend? I don't support the killing of 9 million people, I don't support killing under most circumstances, but I do support facts and figures, unlike you, which puts you under that Stalinist banner you tried to raise over my head.

Nov 7, 2003, 05:17 pm	#62 (permalink) (top)
RebelWithanAK Igneous Magma Location: New York City Posts: 739	Oh, I get it now. Minorities and women do not succeed as much in business ventures because while they don't personally have the skills necessary for such an undertaking, they also don't have friends or relatives who do, either. So what does this prove, other than the fact that it's a self-serving prophecy? Here I was thinking the 'social dynamics' you were alluding to had more to them than the fact that as a whole, minorities have less experience in business ventures. . . . whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Nov 9, 2003, 11:56 pm	#65 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Geoff332,) Castile, I will point to one important little fact: there is nothing to suggest that the people who failed did not also have equal amounts of, "creativity, determination, and setting goals". There's no question that these things are necessary for success, but are they sufficient?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> This is exactly why I dislike university academics and their theories. They only believe something if its backed up by a bunch of depressing statistics and other technical jargon. What I find ironic is that many of these "business analysts" have never run a business in their life. Yet they insist they are right simply because they are good at coming up with numbers. What do statistics determine? Very little. I could say 92.935249% of business owners fail after 12.2352 years, but so what? It only serves to discourage people from entering business. Creativity, determination, and goals are the factors which drive you to success. Creativity comes up with crazy ideas that just might work. Determination drives you to learn other skills essential to business. Goals give you something to aim for. Geoff, if failed business owners did have the same determination as Donald Trump, then surely they would not have failed. They would have got up again and again and again, until they succeeded. Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

Nov 10, 2003, 10:01 am	#66 (permalink) (top)
G. Adams Fyrdman Location: Middlesbrough UK Posts: 4,152	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (castille,) </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Geoff332,) Castile, I will point to one important little fact: there is nothing to suggest that the people who failed did not also have equal amounts of, "creativity, determination, and setting goals". There's no question that these things are necessary for success, but are they sufficient?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> This is exactly why I dislike university academics and their theories. They only believe something if its backed up by a bunch of depressing statistics and other technical jargon. <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Eesh, those academics and their facts. If they would just believe the propaganda I tell them the world would be so much better. Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill

Nov 17, 2003, 07:43 am	#67 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (G. Adams,) Eesh, those academics and their facts. If they would just believe the propaganda I tell them the world would be so much better.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Hey thats what your friend Stalin said. (then he said "screw it, lets kill all the university academics since they're not contributing to Communism", and he wiped out 10 million Russians from the face of the Earth in a few years). Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

Nov 17, 2003, 08:22 am	#68 (permalink) (top)
G. Adams Fyrdman Location: Middlesbrough UK Posts: 4,152	I was being sarcastic, it was you who said you hated facts. so you put yourself in Stalins camp now? well I always thought you believed your own bullshit. Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill

Nov 7, 2003, 04:23 pm	#61 (permalink) (top)
Geoff332 Igneous Magma Location: New Zealand Posts: 309	Castile, If you can deraw conclusions from one or two experiences that are entirely not representative of the population of business failures, then you're welcome to. I will point to one important little fact: there is nothing to suggest that the people who failed did not also have equal amounts of, "creativity, determination, and setting goals". There's no question that these things are necessary for success, but are they sufficient?

Nov 8, 2003, 08:30 am	#63 (permalink) (top)
Geoff332 Igneous Magma Location: New Zealand Posts: 309	No, Rebel, you clearly don't get it. But I realise you never will, so what's the point?

Nov 8, 2003, 09:41 am	#64 (permalink) (top)
GuidoNius Molten Ash Posts: 51	Oh, Geoff, come on. That non-sequitur has a beard so long even your great grand dad would not deign to be seen in its presence. You know "what your intentions", indeed? You know, maybe you do but if you´d read what I wrote you´d know it were not your intentions I referred to. As I said, using a brain in much the same way as the tools between the legs. But rather hypocritical at that. Agnes

Nov 17, 2003, 08:28 am	#69 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	Hey, Stalin is your friend, not mine. I don't support Communists who kill 9 million people....except I do congratulate Stalin's methods of doing it (the irony....anyone accused of being a "non-Communist" is immediately executed). Be careful....in our next Communist government, I could accuse you of being a non-Communist without even knowing it, and you'd be sitting in a Soviet labour camp wondering what went wrong with Communism. Hey, that would be real ironic! Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

Nov 17, 2003, 08:51 am	#70 (permalink) (top)
G. Adams Fyrdman Location: Middlesbrough UK Posts: 4,152	why is Stalin my friend? I don't support the killing of 9 million people, I don't support killing under most circumstances, but I do support facts and figures, unlike you, which puts you under that Stalinist banner you tried to raise over my head. Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill