Stop World War #3.

[Praxius]

Quote by: Sweet Katie I congratulate you on your firm stance. I have many of them myself, and this isn't one, so there's opportunity for you to change my mind.

Well I'm not on here to change people's minds directly, just to make sure most think about other aspects not brought to attention or possibly just not right.

The problem that isn't being addressed in your argument is this: Iran has been told not to progress with nuclear; they ignored the notion.

Honestly now, why should any country be told what to do by another country? That's what borders and countries are all about. I am sure if the roles were reversed, the US would tell the rest of the world to take a flying leap if they were told not to develop nuclear technology.

Once again, based on evidence, just because they refused to stop development, is not proof of them developing nuclear weapons. Perhaps they have more priority in the progress of their country, then pleasing the big bully countries who already have nuclear weapons.

Iran doesn't acknowledge Israel as a country.

As mentioned before, that is not proof of any kind that they are actually going to attack Israel, let alone with nuclear weapons.

This is a country whose officials appear to be suffering from a mental illness.

Appear is one thing.... evidence is another. And trying to say Iran's officials have mental disturbances isn't any different then the US's officials who have clearly been proven to act apon their mental illnesses.

Iran must acknowledge that it is 2007 and Israel is a country before I'll sleep well at night. There's just too much reminder of German defience.

Iran isn't Nazi Germany and I am pretty sure they're aware on how WWII ended. They question some things written down in history, ie: the Holocaust.... questioning humanity's history isn't an unhealthy thing.

And just because one country doesn't acknowlege another as a ligit country, still is not proof that they plan on an attack, let alone a nuclear one.

Remember, Iran isn't full of idiots... as I am pretty sure they are well aware what a Nuclear war would cause to not just their country but to the rest of the world.

I would most likely bet that if they were developing nukes, it would be in response to Israel's "hidden stash" of nuclear weapons which they always deny having.

So if they feel Israel is an illegal nation and they have just grounds to feeling this way, and they have nukes themselves... then if I lived in Iran, I'd be a bit paranoid as well....

Think about it this way.... US Mercs are getting away with bloody murder in Iraq right now, due to legalities and not being an official military force. So if Iran feels there are certain loopholes which make Israel an illegal nation, them having nukes and what they may potientially do with them, may avoid some legal issues "Official" countries would face..... so I would logically conclude that if anything, Iran would be more paranoid of Israel attacking them like US Mercs and then getting away with it..... so they decide to get nukes to prevent that option from happening.

You have to realize that no country is completely evil, it's all about your perception.... which is why I remain steadfast on my views here until I see mounting evidence proving the opposite of what Iran and Russia are claiming.

Now regarding Korea. Korea isn't denying the existence of any country.

Once again.... them not reconizing another country, doesn't mean the world is going to end or they plan on an attack of any kind.... it hasn't happened yet, why would it happen now?

I mean look at all the information.... the only countries which have been excessively hostile recently has been the US and Israel.

Do a quick search on some recent news and see who's doing all the talking..... Iran has clearly made their intentions clear that they have no intentions of attacking Israel.... and yet on the other side of the coin, both the US and Israel are trying to muster up support to attack Iran..... for what?

Because they're building nuclear technology? Because they have a tiff with Israel? Come on....

Check this out:

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Iran 'not planning Israel attack'

Iran says it has no intention to attack Israel despite a call by its president to have it "wiped off the map". Iran's foreign ministry said Tehran respected the UN charter and had never used or threatened to use force. But it also rejected a UN Security Council statement condemning President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad over his comments. An Iranian TV channel broadcast the remark for the first time on Saturday, saying reaction to it was coordinated by Israel in a plot against Iran. Mr Ahmadinejad made the controversial comments during a speech to students in Tehran on Wednesday. They were seen by the outside world as a threat and the latest reaction from Iran is an effort to calm the outcry, says the BBC's Frances Harrison in Tehran. Our correspondent says this is the closest Iran has come to saying it will not attack Israel. UN 'duplicity' Israel - which had demanded the emergency Security Council meeting - welcomed Friday's statement. "The Security Council condemns the remarks about Israel attributed to Mr Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, President of the Islamic Republic of Iran," said the declaration, agreed by all 15 members. But reacting to the statement on Saturday, Iran's foreign ministry insisted it had no intention of attacking Israel. It went on: "The declaration published by the Security Council - proposed by the Zionist regime to cover its crimes and give an image at odds with reality - is unacceptable." It expressed surprise that the Council had never condemned threats made against Iran by the US and Israel or the "crimes" of the Israeli regime. Ahead of the UN session demanded by Israel, President Ahmadinejad stood by his "just" remarks.

So yeah, buddy slipped his tounge and perhaps shot off his own personal view, or maybe the collective view of Iran.... but they made it pretty clear they plan no attacks.

and then this:

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Iran issues Israel attack warning

Iran has drawn up plans to bomb Israel if it launches an attack on Iranian soil first, military officials say. The deputy commander of Iran's air force said that in the "unlikely event" of an Israeli attack, Tehran could respond with air and missile raids. Israel's foreign ministry said the comments were alarming and showed that the international community should take a "very firm stance" on Iran. The US dismissed Iran's remarks as "unhelpful" and "not constructive". Iran denies the claims by Israel and the West that it is trying to acquire nuclear weapons, insisting it wants nuclear power to generate electricity for civilian use.

Everything coming out of Iran right now is all in response as self defense, not invasion or attack.

Yet if you notice in the second quote how Israel and the US decided to complain about the International Community should respond to this comment.... yet they're doing the exact same damn thing every damn day to Iran and yet nobody's backing them up.

I hope you can at least see that this is clearly heading towards another major screwup just like Iraq, if not, much worse.

And Cuba is a threat to the United States but the government does not deny its existence.

Nit picking words now.... the US response and attempts on Castro and the Cuban governments failure or assasination are quite similar in comparison. The main difference is that the US has been known to act apon their assumptions and opinions.... while Iran has perhaps shot their mouth off about a few things, but clearly did not state they were in desire for war, let alone actually carrying out any plans of destroying Israel.

It's partially the inability to accept the realities of the now that scares me. It's partially the refusal to back down from mandates that scares me. And, it's the terrorism that scares me.

See the thing is I'm not scared of all this, because eventually something like this is bound to happen. I'm not scared.... I'm royally pissed off at the US and their blind ways of twisting information around to get what they want done regardless of the future consequences or what others think.

I'm PO'd because I feel the world is stuck in a damn loop now, where everything that has occured since Bush has gotten into power, is all repeating yet again.... and yet it still seems nobody has learned past lessons, and he's gonna go through all this again, and drag us all along with him and his mental mentality.

You're scared because they want you to be scared.... scared of the unknown, but I highly suggest you look up recent reports on all of this and see if it all adds up.... which it shouldn't.

It's the scare tactic they have been using since they came into office... and if they can get the public scared, be that by forign actions or actions by your own country, you can get the public to back almost anything you do.

Nazi Germany went on a wild campaign to potray Jews and other forigners/non-pure blood/whatever as the enemy and the reason why things were so screwed up in their country and the world..... Now we have Bush doing the same thing about Islam and other forign countries that the US isn't getting a cut in a deal from.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Sweet Katie Human beings must realize that we are all created equal and embrace diversity as beautiful. At some point, the human race will undoubtedly have to decide whether to put the human race or beliefs first.

True. That's a simple enough statement, and I wish all posters had such excellent critical thinking skills.

The human species is clearly facing longterm crises, caused overwhelmingly by their superstitions.

Grandpa h.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Wol I think history has already proved you right. They are all puppets.

Apparently, many haven't evolved enough to notice that yet.

Grandpa h.

[Wol]

Quote by: Praxius Which is why I would recomend a revolution. Think about it.... why would islamic terrorists think of attacking you guys while you guys are taking out the main thing they hate? But not just for their benifit, my god no, lol.... but get the country back on track to where it used to be.... or better would be nice Why continue going through the same damn hoops every 4 years, always hoping not to get screwed, and yet get screwed regardless? It's a country for and by the people.... take the damn thing back before you no longer have any usable freedom to fight back. Then before you know it... they'll start WWIII, they'll start Martial Law and have military everywhere in the country for in case of terrorist threats, and then you guys won't be able to pee without asking, and then the allies will have to come and liberate you guys from this "Nazish regiem" and then things will go back to normal after a few hundred years. Revolution in one or two? Wait for nuclear radiation to clear out for normal life in many many years? Which is easiest?

The constitutional republic that the American founding fathers created has been destroyed. What we see in Washington DC is a show. The real government is in the background. It is a despotic oligarchy. We have been taken over by a handful of elitists who select, finance, and control our politicians through bribery, blackmail, intimidation and even murder if necessary. They control the economy and the media which they use to brainwash the public into believing their lies and hidden motivations. They send our youth to die in wars that they they deliberately instigate to increase their wealth exponentially; and they orchestrate catastrophic events to facilitate their international megalomaniacical ambitions of wealth, power, government, and dominance on a global scale.
They are not Americans. They are internationalist. These top captains of the corporate ladder together with the Zionist agenda will stop at nothing. Thousands of lives have recently been taken in Afghanistan and Iraq including innocent children, young Americans, and noncombatants, to fight a war which benefits no one and pleases no one but themselves and Israeli lobbyists. They now have their evil eyes set on Iran, Syria, and God knows what else. They will reap the profits of a third world war, while the rest of us die in war, or live in poverty under the military rule of a global fascist, socialist regime that will complete their ultimate goals of creating a 21st century form of feudalism.
The American founding fathers made it clear by their words and deeds, that government gets its authority by the consent of the people; and when government becomes corrupt and violates the natural rights and liberties of the people, or fails function in such a way that the people have constitutionally permitted it to function, it becomes void and invalid.
We have a perfect right not only to oppose the subversives and moles in high places in American government, but to also do whatever is necessary to take our country back. We must, in one way or the other, restore our constitutional republic, purge those who act either on self interest or the interests of any infiltrating foreign government, and demand and insure that the people will once again be the master of the government and not the government the master of the people.

[Praxius]

Quote by: BobbyO I see... You would be happier if Bush went to war against North Korea

Nope... I'm just pointing out how much of a cowardly-hypocritical arsepucker he is.

(BTW, is Canada still in a state of war with North Korea? Would it be obligated then to fight? I do not know. Might be interetsing to find out). It would seem that would be quite bloody an affair. I do realize you are not serious.

Maybe I am, maybe I'm not...... But no, Canada is not at war with N.Korea at this time, nor am I currently aware of any major amounts of Canadian military stationed against NK.

The idea would seem to be quite solid: To avoid a situation in Iraq and Iran which has occurred in North Korea. Still, there remains that bizzare and baffling belief that a nuclear armed Iran or North Korea is good because it keeps the USA in check. The worful inability of educated people to be unable to distinguish between the USA, North Korea, and Iran remains quite the puzzle.

Indeed it seems to be.... considdering the US already has Nukes, already have used them against another country, and has already currently invaded and occupied two countries who posed no immediate threat to the US.... and now the US is shooting it's mouth off about WWIII to Iran, when it's been clearly recorded over the years that this has been planned for years.

I certainly don't see anything keeping the US in check now.... I think a few more countries should have nukes to keep you guys in check.... you've been bullying your way around here for almost a decade now.... so why not take up the US mentality and bear arms against forign occupiers?

You have the right to bear arms to protect your homes from invaders and the king of england, so if you guys are going around invading other countries and threatening to poke your nukes around..... where do you guys get off crying foul when another country points one back at you in defense?

The US seriously needs to grow the hell up and get the hell out of this bully mentality for attention, because someone's gonna knock some attention back real soon.

[Praxius]

Quote by: BobbyO The United States has not bombed Iran. There has been no "action." Nor for that matter, has it even expressed the "opinion" of wanting to do so. Yet you are diatribing that they will do so anyhow.

Oh and what did Bush say not to many days ago? something like if Iran doesn't want to start WWIII, they'll stop making nuclear weapons?

#1 - Don't you kinda need proof about Nuclear Weapons being develped before you throw some acusation like that out?

#2 - Did Iran say they were going to start a war?

#3 - WWIII for that matter?

Bush is trying to throw the blame, yet again, on someone or thing else, and saying that if they don't stop their nuclear developments, he will be forced to start WWIII..... which the idiot won't need to do, and he's just gonna screw us all up.... YET AGAIN!!! Only Worse!

But when presented with Iran's "opinions" it doesn't matter. Proof of Iran's hostility to Israel, and the region in general, will come, presumably, with Iranian bombers and not a moment before.

Oh yes.... I'm sure that's what's going to happen.... I am 100% confident that Bush has all out best interests at heart and protect us from this evil :rolleyes:

An Opinion is not Action..... The US has a long list of Action.... Unfounded, Illegal, Inhumaine Actions towards forigners and their countries..... I've got more to worry about from the US, then I do about Iran, based on history alone.

Opinions mean Shett... My personal Opinion is that I would love to see some justice and the US being glassed..... but does that mean I'm gonna go find a way to do it?

No...

Are you guys gonna come and invade Canada and nuke us because of what I said?

For all you know I could have just wanted you guys isolated in a big glass dome so you guys can just go and kill yourselfves instead and leave the rest of us uncontrollable and evil countries to destroy ourselves without your country's guidance *snickers*

Even if it is true that "all" governments engage in the "T" word, why do you wish to cut Iran a break here? What does Tehran do that you believe allows it to claim its actions can be beneficial to the mideast and perhaps the world at large?

Cut Iran a Break? There's that hypocritical mentality I continually talk about. I think the US has been given plenty of breaks in the last 7 or so years for all the destruction and inhumanity shown to their fellow humans, via torture, troops video taping themselves treating prisoners of war (AND THEY ARE POWS) as scum ass animals, raping children and killing the innocent, planting weapons on the innocent to make them seem like insurgents, showing weapons which are claimed to have come from Iran, yet have english writting on them, these uncontrollable and unlawful Mercs the US has hired to fill in the gaps..... I'm suprised nothing else has happened to your country yet.

[Praxius]

Quote by: Wol The constitutional republic that the American founding fathers created has been destroyed. What we see in Washington DC is a show. The real government is in the background. It is a despotic oligarchy. We have been taken over by a handful of elitists who select, finance, and control our politicians through bribery, blackmail, intimidation and even murder if necessary. They control the economy and the media which they use to brainwash the public into believing their lies and hidden motivations. They send our youth to die in wars that they they deliberately instigate to increase their wealth exponentially; and they orchestrate catastrophic events to facilitate their international megalomaniacical ambitions of wealth, power, government, and dominance on a global scale. They are not Americans. They are internationalist. These top captains of the corporate ladder together with the Zionist agenda will stop at nothing. Thousands of lives have recently been taken in Afghanistan and Iraq including innocent children, young Americans, and noncombatants, to fight a war which benefits no one and pleases no one but themselves and Israeli lobbyists. They now have their evil eyes set on Iran, Syria, and God knows what else. They will reap the profits of a third world war, while the rest of us die in war, or live in poverty under the military rule of a global fascist, socialist regime that will complete their ultimate goals of creating a 21st century form of feudalism. The American founding fathers made it clear by their words and deeds, that government gets its authority by the consent of the people; and when government becomes corrupt and violates the natural rights and liberties of the people, or fails function in such a way that the people have constitutionally permitted it to function, it becomes void and invalid. We have a perfect right not only to oppose the subversives and moles in high places in American government, but to also do whatever is necessary to take our country back. We must, in one way or the other, restore our constitutional republic, purge those who act either on self interest or the interests of any infiltrating foreign government, and demand and insure that the people will once again be the master of the government and not the government the master of the people.

Yeah, I've been trying to say that for years now, but nobody listens to the forigner

[BobbyO]

Quote by: Praxius Nope... I'm just pointing out how much of a cowardly-hypocritical arsepucker he is. Maybe I am, maybe I'm not...... But no, Canada is not at war with N.Korea at this time, nor am I currently aware of any major amounts of Canadian military stationed against NK. Indeed it seems to be.... considdering the US already has Nukes, already have used them against another country, and has already currently invaded and occupied two countries who posed no immediate threat to the US.... and now the US is shooting it's mouth off about WWIII to Iran, when it's been clearly recorded over the years that this has been planned for years. I certainly don't see anything keeping the US in check now.... I think a few more countries should have nukes to keep you guys in check.... you've been bullying your way around here for almost a decade now.... so why not take up the US mentality and bear arms against forign occupiers? You have the right to bear arms to protect your homes from invaders and the king of england, so if you guys are going around invading other countries and threatening to poke your nukes around..... where do you guys get off crying foul when another country points one back at you in defense? The US seriously needs to grow the hell up and get the hell out of this bully mentality for attention, because someone's gonna knock some attention back real soon.

1. Nothing hypocritical. North Korea and Iran/Iraq are different. N. Korea has the nuke. Obviously the efforts to block them failed. And a nuclear armed N. Korea is a menace, as witnes to its recent activities in Syria.

2. A peace treaty was never signed at the end of the Korean War. technically, a state of war still exists. I don;t think Canada signed a separate peace.

3. You wish to see Iran's eforts as a reaction the the USA. Its more accurate to say USA actions are a reaction to Iran;s eforts.

[BobbyO]

Quote by: Praxius Oh and what did Bush say not to many days ago? something like if Iran doesn't want to start WWIII, they'll stop making nuclear weapons? #1 - Don't you kinda need proof about Nuclear Weapons being develped before you throw some acusation like that out? #2 - Did Iran say they were going to start a war? #3 - WWIII for that matter? Bush is trying to throw the blame, yet again, on someone or thing else, and saying that if they don't stop their nuclear developments, he will be forced to start WWIII..... which the idiot won't need to do, and he's just gonna screw us all up.... YET AGAIN!!! Only Worse! Oh yes.... I'm sure that's what's going to happen.... I am 100% confident that Bush has all out best interests at heart and protect us from this evil :rolleyes: An Opinion is not Action..... The US has a long list of Action.... Unfounded, Illegal, Inhumaine Actions towards forigners and their countries..... I've got more to worry about from the US, then I do about Iran, based on history alone. Opinions mean Shett... My personal Opinion is that I would love to see some justice and the US being glassed..... but does that mean I'm gonna go find a way to do it? No... Are you guys gonna come and invade Canada and nuke us because of what I said? For all you know I could have just wanted you guys isolated in a big glass dome so you guys can just go and kill yourselfves instead and leave the rest of us uncontrollable and evil countries to destroy ourselves without your country's guidance *snickers* Cut Iran a Break? There's that hypocritical mentality I continually talk about. I think the US has been given plenty of breaks in the last 7 or so years for all the destruction and inhumanity shown to their fellow humans, via torture, troops video taping themselves treating prisoners of war (AND THEY ARE POWS) as scum ass animals, raping children and killing the innocent, planting weapons on the innocent to make them seem like insurgents, showing weapons which are claimed to have come from Iran, yet have english writting on them, these uncontrollable and unlawful Mercs the US has hired to fill in the gaps..... I'm suprised nothing else has happened to your country yet.

You have more to worry from the USA than Iran?? Yeah right. Buchanan may have once said your neck of the woods is no different than New England, and ought to be annexed (after Quebec seccedes and divides it from the rest of the country). You think canada can stand alone in the arctic against Russia? only for a s long as America stands behind you, my friend.

[Rainbow]

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President George W. Bush warned on Wednesday a nuclear-armed Iran could lead to World War III as he tried to shore up international opposition to Tehran amid Russian skepticism over its nuclear ambitions. Bush was speaking a day after Russian President Vladimir Putin, who has resisted Western pressure to toughen his stance over Iran's nuclear program, made clear on a visit to Tehran that Russia would not accept any military action against Iran.

Putin is not going to accept any military action against Iran ?
That is nothing new. Khrushchov said quite something similar about Cuba and Egypt.

Vovka is a f.... pain in ass. Everything against whatever U.S. goes for. A new "cold era-season".
When Vovka abdicates and/or feel suddenly less-healthy (just suddenly fell asleep-for-good, as it used to be in Russia's historical tradition :-))) ), new "Czar" is a must.
Anybody, interested ?

[Wol]

Quote by: Praxius Yeah, I've been trying to say that for years now, but nobody listens to the forigner

Apparently nobody listens to me either

[grandpa]

Quote by: Wol Apparently nobody listens to me either

It's even more true for me. But we're getting off-topic.

Grandpa h.

[Praxius]

Quote by: BobbyO 1. Nothing hypocritical. North Korea and Iran/Iraq are different. N. Korea has the nuke. Obviously the efforts to block them failed. And a nuclear armed N. Korea is a menace, as witnes to its recent activities in Syria.

It's recent activities in Syria huh? What that further suspecion that N.Korea is helping Syria with nuke developments? Once again... where's the proof?

Here's something for ya:

BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | N Korea denies Syria nuclear ties

North Korea has denied allegations that it may be helping Syria develop a nuclear weapons facility. The foreign ministry in Pyongyang called the claims an "unskilful conspiracy" and "groundless".

Think logically about this.... NK just spent the last year or so shoving their nuclear developments in the worlds face and telling everyone to take a flying leap..... now they are co-operating and disarming and discontinuing their nuclear developments, and now are denying helping Syria.......

Tell me why they would turn 180 degrees in defiance and then help Syria of all places to develop nuclear weapons? They wern't hiding their details from the world when they were working on it, and now that the have stopped working on nukes, this acusation comes out, and they're denying it.... come on and use some common sense and think about the situation, rather then what Bush and Rice tell you.

2. A peace treaty was never signed at the end of the Korean War. technically, a state of war still exists. I don;t think Canada signed a separate peace.

I really don't think it matters, considdering we have no troops there anymore... No agression has been thrown between Canada and N.Korea.... in fact, here's some news for you from 2001:

Canada establishes diplomatic relations with N. Korea Asian Political News - Find Articles

The Canadian government announced Tuesday that it has established diplomatic relations with North Korea. ''Canada believes that closer relations with Pyongyang is the best way to contribute to security, non-proliferation and humanitarian challenges in the region,'' Canadian Foreign Minister John Manley said in a statement released in Ottawa. North Korea's official Korea Central News Agency (KCNA) also reported Tuesday night that North Korea has established diplomatic ties with Canada on the basis of ''mutual respect for national sovereignty and non-interference in internal affairs.''........ ......Manley said the Canadian government hopes establishing diplomatic relations would ''further enhance communications and cooperation and develop a deeper understanding of each other.'' According to the Canadian Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade, the Canadian government has donated approximately $30 million in humanitarian aid to North Korea through the United Nations and Canadian non-governmental organizations.

Starting to see some differences between the US and Canada yet? I don't think Canada is still at war with NK.

3. You wish to see Iran's eforts as a reaction the the USA. Its more accurate to say USA actions are a reaction to Iran;s eforts.

Only from your viewpoint. I have already seen many documents where the Bush administration has been planning on attacking Iran shortly after Iraq, long before Iran started talking about Nuclear technology.

Quote by: BobbyO You have more to worry from the USA than Iran?? Yeah right. Buchanan may have once said your neck of the woods is no different than New England, and ought to be annexed (after Quebec seccedes and divides it from the rest of the country). You think canada can stand alone in the arctic against Russia? only for a s long as America stands behind you, my friend.

Pssh... do you have a point to offer or are you just gonna continue with this all mighty BS attitude?

You guys can't finish what you started in Iraq, I don't think I would personally want assistance from your country for anything at this stage towards the Artic and Russia.... and let's face it... the US won't bother to get off it's ass to do anything unless it benifits you guys some way. Heaven forbid you guys remember how to do something out of general prinicple and kindness towards allies.

And whoever this Buchanan is, he doesn't speak for me or anybody else for that matter, as I clearly don't have interest in caring what he has to say.

[Sweet Katie]

Quote by: Praxius Honestly now, why should any country be told what to do by another country? That's what borders and countries are all about. I am sure if the roles were reversed, the US would tell the rest of the world to take a flying leap if they were told not to develop nuclear technology.

Because of humanity. I guess what kind of provokes a primal response (anger) is that there appears to be a measure of ignorance about History being the best instructor of Future. As stated, Iran doesn't acknowledge Israel. The country is not accepting the world of today. It is dangerous, as dictated by History. Also, Iran is ignoring the boundaries set. Reminds me of something . . .

[Sweet Katie]

Quote by: Rainbow Putin is not going to accept any military action against Iran ?

What's he gonna do, really? Putin gets my vote for Fool of the Year.

[Wol]

Quote by: Sweet Katie Because of humanity. I guess what kind of provokes a primal response (anger) is that there appears to be a measure of ignorance about History being the best instructor of Future. As stated, Iran doesn't acknowledge Israel. The country is not accepting the world of today. It is dangerous, as dictated by History. Also, Iran is ignoring the boundaries set. Reminds me of something . . .

It seems to me that if a country does not accept Israel, that is Israeli's issue. The Israeli government invites Jews from all over the world to become citizens. Why don't those Zionist American citizens and Zionist lobbyists take them up on their offer, and stop infitrating our political system and media inorder to get Americans and innocent civilians to die over a situation they they created when they confiscated Palestinian land

[Praxius]

Quote by: Sweet Katie Because of humanity. I guess what kind of provokes a primal response (anger) is that there appears to be a measure of ignorance about History being the best instructor of Future. As stated, Iran doesn't acknowledge Israel. The country is not accepting the world of today. It is dangerous, as dictated by History. Also, Iran is ignoring the boundaries set. Reminds me of something . . .

And what other countries today are not respecting borders? Yeah... reminds me of a few countries today, that's for sure....

Can anybody list them off? Shouldn't be too hard. I can think of two right now.

Tell me.... what other countries in history have never reconized another country and went after them? I know the Nazis didn't aknowlege various races and cultures as being on par with their own.... but is that the same as countries?

They have a pickle for the Jewish State and how it was formed.... but to my memory they haven't really directed hatred towards the Jews in that country.... just how their country came to be..... two different things.

Here's a quick breakdown as to why most hate Israel there:

The history of Israel and Palestine goes back several thousand years but the reason "Iran hates Israel" is because the Israelis are seen by many in the Middle East as foreign agressors. One hundred years ago, there was no Israel. The British decided early in the twentieth century that there should be a Jewish state but the UN was actually the one to set it up. The UN set up two states: Palestine and Israel. With the help of Great Britain, Israel came into the region, forcibly removed thousands of Palestinian families and set up shop. Palestinians were understandably upset and both sides began using terrorism against each other. Eventually, Israel attacked and swallowed 70% of Palestine. Many of the countries in the region are still licking their wounds from the six-day war and are still mad about what they see as Arab land being taken away by foreign agressors.

Their own actions made them hated... it's not a race thing when you look at the big picture..... only the US and Israel like to play it that way.

If I lived nearby, I imagine I'd be a little pissed too... because all these other coutnries felt the effects of this.... but just because I'm pissed about the situation, doesn't mean I plan on blowing them up.... which is what Iran said..... I don't see what's complicated about it.

[Technosoul]

When was the last time that Iran sent armed forces out to invade another country?

And during that time of non-agressive behavior how many times did the USA, Canada, England, Russia, or the collective of the U.N. send armed forces out to invade another country with military force? Now Israel and Turkey are joining in with the idea about policing the world outside of their own boarders.

Hmm? Why play the Hitler card when you can play the Bush card?

Who is really under the greatest threat relative global activies, the arab (Islamic) nations or the countries that claim democracy?

And other then Bin Ladens tiny religious cult, what nations are really the most radical relative to real military agression and are really behind the spread of nuclear technology?

[Sweet Katie]

Quote by: Technosoul When was the last time that Iran sent armed forces out to invade another country? And during that time of non-agressive behavior how many times did the USA, Canada, England, Russia, or the collective of the U.N. send armed forces out to invade another country with military force? Now Israel and Turkey are joining in with the idea about policing the world outside of their own boarders. Hmm? Why play the Hitler card when you can play the Bush card? Who is really under the greatest threat relative global activies, the arab (Islamic) nations or the countries that claim democracy? And other then Bin Ladens tiny religious cult, what nations are really the most radical relative to real military agression and are really behind the spread of nuclear technology?

You're not comparing apples to apples. Iran doesn't have the military might as the other countries you mentioned. Also, they are acting on their own advisement.

Bush isn't denying the existence of other countries.

Iran is a greater threat because their view of the world does not match up to reality.