The influence of AIPAC on US Foreign Policy

[shrike]

Trying to justify one red herring with another is ludicrous. Preposterous.

Well it’s nice that you admit that you post was red-herring. But it’s a shame that you didn't answer my questions.

I would think somebody fighting for truth, and justice would want clarity on the issue.

On what issue?

Instead you choose to label people with one of the worst labels you could possibly pin on a person knowing it's disingenuous to the core.

I think I was justified to label David Duke and anyone who peddle anti-Semitic theories as an anti-Semite.

[Milton Bradley]

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[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: shrike On what issue?

Isreal, or at least I presumesd that was the premise for your arguments for Isreal.

Quote by: shrike I think I was justified to label David Duke and anyone who peddle anti-Semitic theories as an anti-Semite.

I know, people throw that term around like the "N" word.


It's the justification for that behavior I was calling into question.

[shrike]

Isreal, or at least I presumesd that was the premise for your arguments for Isreal.

I didn't mentioned Israel in this thread it was you.

It's the justification for that behavior I was calling into question.

Do you think who peddle anti-Semitic theories is not anti-Semite?

[notworthabean]

milton one doesn tneed ot hate all semites to be anti-semetic,

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: notworthabean milton one doesn tneed ot hate all semites to be anti-semetic,

So the official story goes. Hell, under those loose parameters everybody would be an anti-semite. You hated Yasser Arafat, right? How about Muahmar? How about those 19 hijackers who flew airplanes into civilian targets on 9/11? ANTI-SEMITE!

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: shrike I didn't mentioned Israel in this thread it was you.

I was talking about your defense of Isreal. ( Answering your question )

Quote by: shrike Do you think who peddle anti-Semitic theories is not anti-Semite?

Hahahahahaha, priceless.

[jose]

CBS News has learned that the FBI has a full-fledged espionage investigation under way and is about to -- in FBI terminology -- "roll up" someone agents believe has been spying not for an enemy, but for Israel from within the office of the Secretary of Defense at the Pentagon. 60 Minutes Correspondent Lesley Stahl reports the FBI believes it has "solid" evidence that the suspected mole supplied Israel with classified materials that include secret White House policy deliberations on Iran. At the heart of the investigation are two people who work at The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), a powerful pro-Israel lobby in Washington. The FBI investigation, headed up by Dave Szady, has involved wiretaps, undercover surveillance and photography that CBS News was told document the passing of classified information from the mole, to the men at AIPAC, and on to the Israelis.

CBS News | FBI Probes Pentagon Spy Case | August 27, 2004 22:15:19

[shrike]

Quote by: Milton Bradley So the official story goes. Hell, under those loose parameters everybody would be an anti-semite. You hated Yasser Arafat, right? How about Muahmar? How about those 19 hijackers who flew airplanes into civilian targets on 9/11? ANTI-SEMITE!

It seems that you have problem understanding what misnomer is.And you still didn't answered my questions about America.

was talking about your defense of Isreal. ( Answering your question )

What are you talking about it?Where did I mentioned Israel in this thread?

Hahahahahaha, priceless

No answer of course but it understandable.

[GHook93]

Quote by: thx1138 Documentary 'The Israel lobby - The influence of AIPAC on US Foreign Policy' Documentary 'The Israel lobby - The influence of AIPAC on US Foreign Policy' This new ... all » documentary (April 2007) was created as a result of the controversy created by Mearsheimer and Walt's "The Israel Lobby" article. Featuring interviews with Mearsheimer, geostrategist Lawrence Wikerson, Richard Perle, historian and critic Tony Judt, John Hagee, former Congressman Earl Hilliard, Kenneth Roth of Human Rights Watch, Michael Massing and Daniel Levy. 'Tegenlicht' ('Backlight') is a program from the Dutch VPRO public television

This is the same propaganda that has plagued the Jews from the beginning of history. They are greedy, big nosed rats that control the government!

Just like in the days of the Nazis the new anti-semitic left gives the Jews way too much credit!

Also American Jews and Israeli interest don't also intersect. The ADL is currently pushing for America to recognize the Armenians Genocide by the Turks in WW I, which would have the effect of hurting Israel's strong alliance with Turkey. Yet the ADL pushes on!

[GHook93]

Quote by: Milton Bradley I have never heard David Duke say anything negative about Arabs.

LOL The guys is a KKK member what do you think he thinks about Arabs!
He has gone on record to say bad things about Blacks and Mexicans, are they not people in your mind?

[GHook93]

Quote by: Milton Bradley Arabs are semitic. So if one is going to throw terms like anti-semitic around, one should be prepared to get called on it. The claim of anti-semitism is the single biggest red herring ever created.

Right now anti-semitism refers to Jews only (some thing you comment was an example of). Islophobia refers to Muslims.

Go lobby the UN if you want it changed!

[GHook93]

Quote by: jose CBS News | FBI Probes Pentagon Spy Case | August 27, 2004 22:15:19

Great point and if the Jewish lobby controlled American like that anti-semites claim, then this story would have been covered up. In fact if they controlled the government, why did they need to do spy, all they would need to do is ask for the information.

I think this story proves the point that they ant-semites give the Jewish Lobby too much credit and "false" influence! Good job Jose!

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: GHook93 Right now anti-semitism refers to Jews only (some thing you comment was an example of). Islophobia refers to Muslims. Go lobby the UN if you want it changed!

I'd rather just point out the obvious hypocricy of people who involk this claim at the first hint of disagreement.

[shrike]

I'd rather just point out the obvious hypocricy of people who involk this claim at the first hint of disagreement.

No it just example when someone don't want discuss anti-Semitisn so they start posting semantic red-herrings instead discussing the issue the other possibility that they ignorant and don't know what misnomer is

[GHook93]

American Jews have the highest support against the War as a group. What the anti-semites are forgetting is that there was A LOT of groups beating the drums, but even then as the poll shows they were not beating it like other groups. Why no blame the oil companies and big business that are making millions in Iraq (they have huge lobbies)! I heard a report that there are more civilian contractors in Iraq than US soldiers.

But of course the Jews get blamed. TYPICAL!

Of these major religious groups, three show more opposition than support for the war. Stats don't lie, unfortunately people do!
Among Religious Groups, Jewish Americans Most Strongly Oppose War

February 23, 2007 Among Religious Groups, Jewish Americans Most Strongly Oppose War Opposition goes beyond Jewish Americans' political affiliations by Jeffrey M. Jones GALLUP NEWS SERVICE PRINCETON, NJ -- An analysis of Gallup Poll data collected since the beginning of 2005 finds that among the major religious groups in the United States, Jewish Americans are the most strongly opposed to the Iraq war. Catholics and Protestants are more or less divided in their views on the war, while Mormons are the most likely to favor it. Those with no religious affiliation also oppose the war, but not to the same extent that Jewish people do. The greater opposition to the war is not simply a result of high Democratic identification among U.S. Jews, as Jews of all political persuasions are more likely to oppose the war than non-Jews who share the same political leanings. For this analysis, Gallup combined 13 surveys from the last two-plus years that measured both support for the Iraq war (using Gallup's "mistake for the U.S. to send troops to Iraq" question) and respondent religious affiliation, for a combined sample of more than 12,000 interviews. Across the time period these 13 surveys covered, an average of 52% of Americans opposed the war by saying the United States made a mistake to invade Iraq, and 46% favored the war by saying it did not make a mistake. The table shows how Iraq war support breaks down among the religious groups for which there are sufficiently large sample sizes to provide stable estimates. United States Made a Mistake in Sending Troops to Iraq, by Religious Affiliation, 2005-2007 Gallup Polls

Wow look at the War-Hawking Hymies!

Jewish people oppose the Iraq war by a better than 3-to-1 margin, 77% to 21%. Americans without a religious preference are twice as likely to oppose (66%) as to support (33%) the war. Catholics are somewhat more likely to oppose (53%) than to support the war (46%).

Wait the Christians, who make up 90% of the country, are in favor of the war! Maybe the blame should be pointed at the ones who are actually in control of the country!

On the other hand, Mormons and Protestants show more support than opposition to the war. Mormons are strongly in favor, as just 27% term the war "a mistake." Overall, Protestants are divided, with 48% opposed and 49% in favor. But black Protestants and non-black Protestants diverge in their views. Black Protestants -- who are overwhelmingly Democratic -- show strong opposition to the war, while among non-black Protestants, support for the Iraq war surpasses the majority level (55% say the war was not a mistake).

More of those Big-Nosed War-Hawks!

But a closer analysis of the data show that Jewish war opposition goes beyond their basic political leanings. Jewish people are more likely to oppose the war than non-Jews of the same political persuasion. For example, 89% of Jewish Democrats oppose the Iraq war, compared with 78% of all non-Jewish Democrats. The departures are even greater when looking at non-Democrats. Sixty-five percent of non-Democratic Jews oppose the war, compared with just 38% of non-Democrats of all other religious groups. Despite the limited sample size of non-Democratic Jews, the size of the difference is so large that it is still statistically significant.

Looks like the poll directly address the BS Anti-semitic propaganda of this thread!

The Bush administration and leaders of the Jewish community have strongly rejected those suggestions. These data show that the average American Jew -- even those who are Republicans and may support the Bush administration on other matters -- opposes the war.

American Jews Against the War is NOT NEW!!!

The widespread Jewish opposition to the war in Iraq is not a recent development as the majority of all Americans have come to oppose the war in the past two years. Even in 2003 and 2004, when more Americans favored (52%) than opposed the war (46%), 6 in 10 Jews (61%) were opposed to it.

Wow those Hymies have the best track record for being against the war! F#@% War-Hawks! :rolleyes:

The widespread Jewish opposition to the war in Iraq is not a recent development as the majority of all Americans have come to oppose the war in the past two years. Even in 2003 and 2004, when more Americans favored (52%) than opposed the war (46%), 6 in 10 Jews (61%) were opposed to it. And during the run-up to the war in late 2002 and early 2003, U.S. Jews were divided in their views on whether to invade Iraq to remove Saddam Hussein from power (49% were in favor, 48% opposed). At that time, Americans overall favored an invasion by a 57% to 37% margin.

The Conclusion:

It is unclear why Jewish Americans show such strong opposition to the war. One possibility is that U.S. Jews may hold more liberal outlooks than members of other religious groups on a variety of issues, such as abortion, civil rights, and matters of war and peace. As such, Jews may be less likely than others to favor U.S. military action in general -- regardless of where it takes place.

The conclusion is that this anti-semitic propaganda is not new; however, every new generation always fall for it!

[GHook93]

Quote by: Milton Bradley I'd rather just point out the obvious hypocricy of people who involk this claim at the first hint of disagreement.

I agree anti-semitic is too dumbed down. Lets call it what it is anti-Jew, Jew-Hating, Hymie Hating, People against Greedy Jews! Which is your pick? :rolleyes:

So again until the classification changed keep writing your letters to the UN and DEAL WITH IT! The classification is what it!

[jose]

Quote by: GHook93 Right now anti-semitism refers to Jews only (some thing you comment was an example of). Islophobia refers to Muslims. Go lobby the UN if you want it changed!

the UN has never stated that anti semitism refers to only people of the jewish faith or even those Russians who have no faith but identify themselves with jewishness

[jose]

Quote by: GHook93 American Jews have the highest support against the War as a group. !

hows that count against a war with Iran?

[Bob652]

Quote by: notworthabean It doesn't, Israel doesn't run AIPAC, Americans do. These Americans advocate on an issue just like NRA and Planned parenthood et al do. better comparsion: Cuban Americans who advocate polices on Cuba. I don't see anyone getting all huffy about that.

Yeah American zionist moles in high places including the pentagon