Iraq Inks $100 Million Arms Deal - With China

**Chaossaber314** · 5th October 2007, 04:59 PM

Quote by: Praxius

And it shouldn't matter how much they misplace or how many disapear.... it's not like they're asking for their money back, they wish to purchase more..... I don't see what the big deal is.... you'd be getting more money and profits by supplying them more weapons..... but instead, they continue to complain about what happened to the other weapons. Isn't it their country? Wtf does it matter?

Because they could be used by insurgents to kill your own troops?

Funny, wasn't it Iran supplying their weapons?

Because weapons can only come from one source? If you're going to put words and entire arguments in my mouth, at least try and think them through first.

And if you don't like it.... leave the country... let them get their supplies they need from China and Iran, and let them take care of their own country.

Funny, I don't remember it being my decision.

Them kepping track or you guys keeping track? Somebody screwed up somewhere, and I hardly doubt you guys are completely innocent in the matter.

Except that the fact of the matter is that these weapons were "distributed to Iraqi forces by the United States since 2004." Ergo, in Iraqi possession and thus their responsibility.

It's common knowlege and doesn't require to be in the article. Most american troops are using M4A1 AR's... which are of course a newer version of the 16, much lighter and overall a better firearm.

Even back in the 60's when it came out, the majority of Marines didn't like the M16 due to it being prone for jams, and the lighter round it fired.

Completely irrelevant. If it comes down to being armed with a substandard weapon or no weapon, you take the substandard weapon.

Clearly these rifles are no hamburgers....

Way to ignore the descriptor "starving". Thus hamburgers in this case are a means of survival just as weapons are a means of survival in Iraq. If it comes between starving to death or living, you take what is given to you.

You Americans seem to be so narrow in your view.

Holy gross generalization batman.

You bitch and moan that you needed to invade them, you moaned you needed to take out Saddam and give them democracy, you moaned about how difficult the government is being run, you moaned about insurgency and wonder why they hate you so much, you moan that it's taking too long for them to take control of their country after being desimated by your invasion, and expect them to just clean up the mess you guys started.... with crappy equipment at that.

Universal "You" I take it? Drop the hyperbole. We have members here who are much more skilled at it than you.

This is why I try and stay out of Iraq threads (among others). You argue one point or aspect and you're immediately and ignorantly lumped together with another separate extremely generalized viewpoint.

Believe it or not Praxius, just because some of us argue with you on specifics, doesn't mean that we want to be in Iraq or are some ignorant Bushbot neocons. Get real.

**thx1138** · 5th October 2007, 09:34 PM

The simple facts are you guys don't want to stay in Iraq forever, right?

Well don't be so sure, maybe things are going as planned. Maybe the majority of the citizens want the U.S. out of Iraq but the that's not what men behind the curtain want. Iraq has been a boom for private corporations in no contract bids, getting Iraq back on the U.S. dollar and off the Euro, and one more domino of the conquer of the middle east oil fields.

If the U.S. is ultimately leaving Iraq, why is the military building 'permanent' bases?
If the U.S. is ultimately leaving Iraq, why is the military building 'permanent' bases?

**Gaius** · 5th October 2007, 09:42 PM

Quote by: Chaossaber314

This is why I try and stay out of Iraq threads (among others). You argue one point or aspect and you're immediately and ignorantly lumped together with another separate extremely generalized viewpoint.

Believe it or not Praxius, just because some of us argue with you on specifics, doesn't mean that we want to be in Iraq or are some ignorant Bushbot neocons. Get real.

Im not so sure about this.
Your posts about other issues make you out to be exactly what you claim not to be.

**Praxius** · 5th October 2007, 10:55 PM

Quote by: Chaossaber314

Because weapons can only come from one source? If you're going to put words and entire arguments in my mouth, at least try and think them through first.

Nobody said they came from you, that's the official acusation they preach all on your news everyday.

Funny, I don't remember it being my decision.

Nobody said it was.

Except that the fact of the matter is that these weapons were "distributed to Iraqi forces by the United States since 2004." Ergo, in Iraqi possession and thus their responsibility.

Their responsibility? How about you expand on that quote a bit farther and stop with the "Narrow view" I was talking about:

But a recent Government Accountability Office report said that 110,000 of them were unaccounted for, with about 30 percent of all arms distributed to Iraqi forces by the United States since 2004 missing.

A report claims that 110,000 are unaccounted for, and 30% of the arms you guys distributed yourselves are missing.... that doesn't say how they went missing.... and just acusing the Iraqi's for giving them away is one thing..... you guys distributing them is another.... and there isn't evidence at this time to say either way.

So if you're getting crappy stuff, and you get hassels about things missing or being slow, then why bother?

Completely irrelevant. If it comes down to being armed with a substandard weapon or no weapon, you take the substandard weapon.

See, that narrow thing again.... the alternative option is to goto a better dealer with better supplies.... why deal with MacDonald's crappy customer service and old, cold "Burgers", when you can head over to Swiss Chalet and have a better quality food and experience?

You make it sound like those are the only two options, because you guys are the one's giving the options. Welcome to the democracy you made there.

Way to ignore the descriptor "starving". Thus hamburgers in this case are a means of survival just as weapons are a means of survival in Iraq. If it comes between starving to death or living, you take what is given to you.

Any experienced college student would tell you Mac and Cheese is the best survival food.

Once again.... they don't need to take those options, as they are making apparent.

Holy gross generalization batman

See above examples.

Universal "You" I take it? Drop the hyperbole. We have members here who are much more skilled at it than you.

This is why I try and stay out of Iraq threads (among others). You argue one point or aspect and you're immediately and ignorantly lumped together with another separate extremely generalized viewpoint.

Believe it or not Praxius, just because some of us argue with you on specifics, doesn't mean that we want to be in Iraq or are some ignorant Bushbot neocons. Get real.

Yeah well you sure haven't made any difference yet in changing to the course you personally feel is right. You don't like it? You hate the generalizations? Then stop being one.

You seem to express the opinion that you do not care too much that they are getting new weapons from China, although in your view, they are responsible for all the weapons disapearing, when there isn't any evidence. You try and trivialize their requirements for this stuff like some starving person wanting more then just a hamburger, which is such a great derrogitory and ignorant attitude to the people you guys are responsible for, and at the same time attempting to pressure in taking over your country's mess, but not giving them the supplies they require.

You express the narrow view I have seen in all the previous decisions by US officials and you're thinking just like they do.

"There isn't any physical evidence we can actually show you on our acusations due to security reasons, but we're 100% sure they're responsible. Take our word on it." ~ Is all I hear.

Something goes wrong, it's somebody else's fault.

WTC Buildings are attacked by terrorists who entered directly through US seaports and airports? They came through the evil Canada.

Osama claims responsibility for the attack? Let's take out Afghanistan even though he's not even there.

The Taliban are getting supplies from somewhere? It's Saddam and Iraq.

Saddam has all kinds of WOMD and we have the concrete proof! We just can show you or tell you where exactly, because it's a secret.

Muslims are having a difficult time dealing with a different form of forced government and invasion? It's their fault for not knowing how to appreciate what you gave them.

Missing weapons? The Iraqi's did it.

The Insurgents have weapons and IED's? The Iranians are doing it.

Some US official can sneak into the borders with a duffle bag? It's Canada's fault and their evil desires for our destruction.

Everybody's after you! You don't know exactly why, or exactly how we are gonna "Get'cha" but you're pretty darn sure. This is the Generalization I'm speaking of.... it's always to the quickest solution that comes to mind and move on..... never mind thinking about what actually is going on, just think of the first answer that comes to mind and believe really hard in it, and it'll eventually come true.

You're above quotes are a perfect example before I even got to the point of explaining my comment. You jump and say that it has to be the Iraqi's fault, even though you shown nothing to prove your statement.

You may not agree with what Bush did or still does, but you still carry the same mentality that led him into power in the first place, and remains there.

Two practically proven rigged elections. Blaitent offenses to human rights and geneva. Attempting to detroy what your constition stands for. Known torture camps (Interrorgation camps wihich use torture if you will) Hireing Mercenaries to fight the war so he can then get away with more BS...... and many many more things..... yet, where are the people standing up and removing him from power?

Oh wait.... that's somebody else's responsibility..... perhaps you never voted for him, so you don't think it's your responsibility and just wait it out until the guy you vote for does get in?

**Praxius** · 5th October 2007, 11:00 PM

Quote by: Gaius

Im not so sure about this.
Your posts about other issues make you out to be exactly what you claim not to be.

Just as I explained above as politely as I could, with being as honest as I could.

**Gaius** · 6th October 2007, 07:32 AM

Quote by: Chaossaber314

No that point is actually pretty relevant though I agree with the rest of your post. You can't really complain that you're not getting enough when you're not taking care of what you already have.

If I total my 86 Lumina, I can't bitch that I don't have a 2001 BMW.

Unless your 86 lumina was totaled by an out of control drunk racist religious zealot, then he has to pay for it. When will the US pay for Iraq?

**Gaius** · 6th October 2007, 07:33 AM

Quote by: Praxius

Just as I explained above as politely as I could, with being as honest as I could.

I wasnt talking about you. youre cool
awesome avatar btw

p.s. if the afghans continue getting angry at the canadians, rightly or wrongly, will you quit supporting the canadian mission there?

**Praxius** · 7th October 2007, 12:16 AM

Quote by: Gaius;

I wasnt talking about you. youre cool
awesome avatar btw

I know, my statement was to kinda go along with the response of your statement.

p.s. if the afghans continue getting angry at the canadians, rightly or wrongly, will you quit supporting the canadian mission there?

If the majority of the Afghan people wish for us to leave their country, who are we to remain there against their desires?

**Chaossaber314** · 7th October 2007, 12:47 AM

Quote by: Gaius

Im not so sure about this.
Your posts about other issues make you out to be exactly what you claim not to be.

Oh really? What other posts on "other issues" have you read exactly?

**Sweet Katie** · 10th October 2007, 12:25 PM

Quote by: thx1138

The U.S. just destoryed Iraq and now you expect Iraqi people to fix it and get upset because the U.S. has to do some of the work.

That is like if I go to your house make a mess of it and make you to clean it up and get upset if I have to help you.

What kind of logic is at work here? :eek:

There's no logic in your post. It isn't the same. Someone is breaking into your home. I go into your home and take out the evil. You can clean up your own f*cking home. And, by the way, YOU'RE WELCOME!