Now is the time - vote for Ron Paul.

[Technosoul]

Due to popular poltical winds backed with WNIs I have made up my mind to support Ron Paul during the primary. ( this statement voids anything else I said before now).

Why should Republicans nominate Ron Paul?

First of all the voters want a change, and he is the only Republican canadate offering a platform of changes. Basically changes back to the original Republic and the Consitution for which it stands.

And he is the only one willing to protect what the Consitution said, although it could be amended if following it strickly becomes a big problem, we should at least obey it until such amendments are debated and adopted. He would see to it that this is so done, no fudging for any reason, we should try to follow the limitations mandated and see how that works out relative to our modern times before we try to fix it.


Under his leadership big government would be downsized to fit the consitutional requirments of a limited federal government. This would, in large part, make getting rid of federal income tax possible, which must be done anyway if it is unconsitutional.

Imagine four to eight years of not having to pay income taxes, imagine all the stuff you could buy or invest in with that money, like your retirement for example. Imagine what a boost that would have for our enconomy and the free market, gee, you might even be able to afford health care insurance. eh?

And so the Federal Government would seperate all ties with the IRS and all the current debt, and debts created by the Iragi war and so forth would no longer be the responsibility of the Federal budget to pay back ( the loans from the bankers ). hmm? sorry about that China. The IRS would then have to talk about that debt with all the individual states who's representives voted for those expendatures that cause the owed debt, to arrange for debt collections form the state budgets if possible.

I will stop here to allow debate on those reasons alone.

So I think Republicans should vote for Ron Paul during this primary so that he gets nominated, rather then Rudy G. Thompson, Romney, McCain, or the other (R-) canidates.

Later I will make some other points in support of Ron Paul for nomination. This is not intended to become a blog so please add your 2 cents worth, hmm? we even take 25 cent donations. (not in cash of course).

[butterbut]

I hope he gets nominated. He's what the country needs. He's The only candidate who seems to be immune from the corrupt, lobbyist, oligarchical, idotic Wahsington culture. I hate the IRS. If 10% is enough for God its enough for the IRS.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: butterbut I hope he gets nominated. He's what the country needs. He's The only candidate who seems to be immune from the corrupt, lobbyist, oligarchical, idotic Wahsington culture. I hate the IRS. If 10% is enough for God its enough for the IRS.

That is right, the Federal Government should operate on about 10 % of the budget they now use. Gathered form "waters edge taxes' not income taxes. In the early Jewish days that 10% was used by the temple people to pay to have new water wells dug, and other useful community projects, as thier system was both a religion and a government wrapped up as one. Which is why Jewish people are nationals rather then being classed simply as a religion. No matter where they lived they were always members of thier Jewish nation. And each jewish town had their own temple to take care of that town, like we have states, and city governments. Without a "jewish federal government" telling the locals what to do. The 10% was a donation and not mandatory (other then by a little peer pressure - aka - guilt). It was ceasar who noticed the idea of those donatons and created an imitation of that as mandatory taxation. Because Ceasar saw him self as being a human-god.

Later on in the predictions of John in "Revelations" he called the IRS the "Beast" (of the last days) and all must bow down to the Beast, and none may buy or sell without bowing down to the Beast (tax collector).
And people then (now) would not know they were worshipping the Beast.

Therefore all you Bible believing people should vote for Ron Paul who will slay the Beast which is the anti-christ. For if the government does everything to save people that puts Jesus out of a job saving people and gets in the way of Christians doing so via free will charity, which they should be allowed to do so they can go to heaven. Governmental welfare is MIXING federal government with religion. and that is taboo.

How about that?

[ruksak]

F**k Ron Paul in the ear. I hope a hobo stabs him with a broken bottle.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: ruksak F**k Ron Paul in the ear. I hope a hobo stabs him with a broken bottle.

Trying to get someone else to do your evil deeds for you eh?

If you want to debate with some sensible remarks then bring them on, but just proclaiming pure hatred and nothing more is wasting time, space, and so forth. We should of had Volconvo rules about junk mail.

But hey, freedom of speech... so ya dee dah, it does not upset me whatsoever.

[butterbut]

Quote by: Technosoul That is right, the Federal Government should operate on about 10 % of the budget they now use. Gathered form "waters edge taxes' not income taxes. In the early Jewish days that 10% was used by the temple people to pay to have new water wells dug, and other useful community projects, as thier system was both a religion and a government wrapped up as one. Which is why Jewish people are nationals rather then being classed simply as a religion. No matter where they lived they were always members of thier Jewish nation. And each jewish town had their own temple to take care of that town, like we have states, and city governments. Without a "jewish federal government" telling the locals what to do. The 10% was a donation and not mandatory (other then by a little peer pressure - aka - guilt). It was ceasar who noticed the idea of those donatons and created an imitation of that as mandatory taxation. Because Ceasar saw him self as being a human-god. Later on in the predictions of John in "Revelations" he called the IRS the "Beast" (of the last days) and all must bow down to the Beast, and none may buy or sell without bowing down to the Beast (tax collector). And people then (now) would not know they were worshipping the Beast. Therefore all you Bible believing people should vote for Ron Paul who will slay the Beast which is the anti-christ. For if the government does everything to save people that puts Jesus out of a job saving people and gets in the way of Christians doing so via free will charity, which they should be allowed to do so they can go to heaven. Governmental welfare is MIXING federal government with religion. and that is taboo. How about that?

I'm impreesed. One small thing you should edit before you send this to Pat Roberts. Good deeds don't get you into heaven, Jesus does.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: butterbut I'm impreesed. One small thing you should edit before you send this to Pat Roberts. Good deeds don't get you into heaven, Jesus does.

Pat Roberts is too busy voting for his self. All good deeds have their just punishment. Ron Paul is somewhat liberal when it comes to some of the things the far-right religions want, such as a ban on gay marrages, and he is making no promises about ending abortions, he see those topics as having nothing to do with federal controls, more of a state thing or as someone's individual choice.

Individual choice about morality is important to a real religion, you should be moral because you want to, not because you are forced to, otherwise you get no "credit". Religiion is not about confroming at gun point, it is about making a personal choice to convert. The Feds should not make that choice for you. Even so, he lives his own life in a moral manner, and has his own (personal) moral compass.

The main thing is the revolution to overcome the system of the two party controls that our country is now addicted too.

We perhaps should not even have a two party system in Washington DC, we honestly have only one Federal Government, not a two-headed dragon, where did that idea come from? We should have different USA born Americans running for President, not two partys with some wanna-bes yacking on the sidelines. Congress should be made up of a group of American people, not a house divided between two politcal parties. Who then attempt to middle-road it pass some bills. It is the states they should be represented by Congress if anything at all, not a poltical party. But more so, representing we the people and the Consitution.

Let me say that again. Congress people should be representing the Consitution and the people of their respective states, not political parties or other larger idenities such as privated corperations or organized religions.

Give us liberty or give us the two-party system (more bushism politics), for what we got now is an America burried six feet underground. We gotta be born-again poltically form the womb which is our consitution of the United States. And forget about the "Two Party States Of America"... that is not our intended title. One country, one Consitution, one Flag, one President, one Congress, and one Senate.

Now is that inspirational enough?

So dump all your poltical parties into the round file and become a real American, become an individual, then you can have your individual rights back again. That is what Ron Paul is about. Not about his self, but about you getting back your own place as an individual with individual rights, free from the chains of enforced conformity.

[butterbut]

Quote by: Technosoul Ron Paul is somewhat liberal when it comes to some of the things the far-right religions want, such as a ban on gay marrages, and he is making no promises about ending abortions, he see those topics as having nothing to do with federal controls, more of a state thing or as someone's individual choice.

That's exactly what I think. Abortion, Gay Marriage, should be up to each state. The feds should have nothing to do with it, one way or the other.

Any democracy will inevitbaly devolve into a two party system. Its the most efficient way for those in power to get elected. It sucks but I can't see any way to avoid it, unless congess passes some sort of "anti-party law" which will never happen.

[notworthabean]

where should we vote for him? online polls? because I think the spamming of those polls is covered already.

Wasn't it the Chicago democratic party whose unofficial slogan was "vote and vote often"

[Milton Bradley]

Am I in the right place?


What has transpired in my absence?


I'm not any medications, so it can't be that...Will somebody help me?

[Technosoul]

Quote by: butterbut That's exactly what I think. Abortion, Gay Marriage, should be up to each state. The feds should have nothing to do with it, one way or the other. Any democracy will inevitbaly devolve into a two party system. Its the most efficient way for those in power to get elected. It sucks but I can't see any way to avoid it, unless congess passes some sort of "anti-party law" which will never happen.

I do not think laws should be passed to prevent potlical parties from forming or having freedom of speech.

But think about it. What is a major political party?... it is a super lobby made up of an assortment of smaller lobby groups with special interest objectives. Or else I am just be a bit over-imaginative... but it seems to be the case nowadays anyway even if it was not always so.

An American version of lobby-globalization. ( I coined a new term). Meaning that lobbies that have things in common can support each others causes collectivly with one super lobby.. aka political party.

Make sense?

Do you think Bin Laden is attacking America because we have freedom or a democarcy (so-called one)? Nope: He is mad at the United Lobby of America which is expressed via our poltical parties and therefore our governmental polices (and private companies singing in harmony). As well as our so-called liberal "do-gooding" in Arabian cultures, which violates their religious beliefs ( aka - smuggling in Christian dogma to convert people).
Or those playboy mags. (few of you know about, but others might recall, the "Playboy Philosophy" publications about sex and morality - early 1960s. Which pioneered and had a major impact on our liberal generation of baby boomers).

The "sex, wealth, and cool jazz" was also converted to "sex, drugs, and rock and roll".

He felt his promotion of wealth aided in the cold war with the USSR and socialism, and his philosophy (printed seperately form his magizene) contained ideas to give more freedom from religion to the concepts of sexual morality. The Jazz added a touch of high class "art" and the many interviews with intellectuals in the magizene got lots of smart people on his side.

THE BROOKLYN RAIL - EXPRESS

I mention this not to side-rail my post but to give some background, which impacted poltics in America greatly.

Hmm? Clinton might a read a few issues?

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Milton Bradley Am I in the right place? What has transpired in my absence? I'm not any medications, so it can't be that...Will somebody help me?

American wanted a change... so I thought... let the change start with me.

So I changed sides (just for the primaries).

[butterbut]

Quote by: Technosoul But think about it. What is a major political party?... it is a super lobby made up of an assortment of smaller lobby groups with special interest objectives. Or else I am just be a bit over-imaginative... but it seems to be the case nowadays anyway even if it was not always so. An American version of lobby-globalization. ( I coined a new term). Meaning that lobbies that have things in common can support each others causes collectivly with one super lobby.. aka political party. Make sense?

Makes sense. I think any democracy will devolve into a sort of oligarchy becuase, logicaly, there can only be two significant political parties at any time. If there's three parties, people will vote for one of the two strongest not wanting to waste thier vote. It will never change becuase people do not want to waste thier votes and donor's don't want to waste thier money.

Political parties seem more like corporations. The thing that really gets me is that the people who work for them (full time employees, managers, ect) are almost required to be blind followers. Most politicians come from this pool of people. They suck thier way up to the top while they blindly follow the party line. When they get there they've lost all thier sense of reality.

Anyway, Ron Paul seems different. I hope he gives the establishement a good kick in the ass.

[another day]

Ron Paul may seem different, he's not. He will quickly realize the way things work and his libertarian ideals will get trampled.

The presidency is just a figurehead, he'll soon find out how he'll have to pander to many people and groups and his ideals will be corrupted.

The system of government in the us is entrenched far beyond something an election can fix.

[Osborn F Enready]

another day said: The system of government in the us is entrenched far beyond something an election can fix.

There is a way for a seated President to fix 90% of the problems, and end 90% of the future problems.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: another day Ron Paul may seem different, he's not. He will quickly realize the way things work and his libertarian ideals will get trampled. The presidency is just a figurehead, he'll soon find out how he'll have to pander to many people and groups and his ideals will be corrupted. The system of government in the us is entrenched far beyond something an election can fix.

England was well entrenched before Tomas Jefferson wrote his unnamious declariation of the 13 United States.

I do declare it can happen again.

Changing the Pariot Act for patroitic action is all it would take.

[another day]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready There is a way for a seated President to fix 90% of the problems, and end 90% of the future problems.

I hope so, but i'll im saying is that too many people with too much to lose and too much power would make sure that didn't happen.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: another day I hope so, but i'll im saying is that too many people with too much to lose and too much power would make sure that didn't happen.

That may be a stronge factor, as we must agree that big money would do what they can to defeat some of R.P.s ideas. This segways into an interesting side-topic which is ... who would Ron Paul select as his Vice President? And could his choice of a V.P. carry on his agenda if the same thing happened to Ron Paul that happened to the Kennedy's?

[Chaossaber314]

Quote by: ruksak F**k Ron Paul in the ear. I hope a hobo stabs him with a broken bottle.

I audibly laughed at that. Well done.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Chaossaber314 I audibly laughed at that. Well done.

Go to sleep you weary hobo, let the towns drift slowly by.
For you are safe in this boxcar, hear the rumble of the train, that's the hobo's lullabye.

I know the police cause you trouble, they cause trouble everywhere,
but when you die and go to heaven, there will be no policemen there.

- Woody the folk singing union organizer.

Anyway Ron Paul supports the 2nd Amendment's right to keep and bear broken wine bottles (aka Arms) and so that Hobo should be glad he has that right, because it is people like R.P. that gave it to him. And I think that he supports the voting hobos right to protest governmental office holders, but gee... a wet willie?.... that is somewhat of an over-expression of free speech don'tcha think?