Israel admits air strike on Syria

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Quote by: gaius Uh huh, ill use that the next time im caught stealing a TV out of someones house. "But officer, you dont understand, this guys great grand father stole a TV from my great grand father" See how stupid that sounds? of course you dont.

So after 200 years its ok?

And you want palestinians that were born in palestine to return to europe a place theyve never been?

Please no straw-mans. I never said that. There Palestinians should stay where there are.

One third of israelis arent even born in israel, they are recent immigrants from other countries, when will they be packing and shipping back where they came from?

And who you to decide who should stay and who should come?

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Quote by: Mia How smug and snotty of you - holding on to their land, and being amazed they'd dare to be at war with the untouchable Israel. You're making me sick right now. 'they can try, hee-hee':rolleyes:

Israel retreated from Lebanon and UN approved it.Hezbollah don't need any reason to fight Israel they will find something else.The main reason they fight becouse Israel is a Jewish state

[Zeebadee]

Quote by: shrike . Syria of course can respond anyway it want but Syrian government know what the consequences will be. Anyone has a choice to do anything he wants the main question do we ready to cope with consequences of choices that we make.

Big talk from a pussy little "country" that depends on U.S. support for it's very existence. Let's see Israel make the "choice" to survive on it's own and refuse the billions of dollars and the advanced weapon systems the U.S. taxpayers send it every year.

[jose]

Seems there is no point negotiating peace with this paranoid nation, constant war is what they want, may they reap what they sow.

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Quote by: Zeebadee Big talk from a pussy little "country" that depends on U.S. support for it's very existence. Let's see Israel make the "choice" to survive on it's own and refuse the billions of dollars and the advanced weapon systems the U.S. taxpayers send it every year.

Why don't you ask the same question about Egypt and Jordan?

[Zeebadee]

Quote by: shrike Why don't you ask the same question about Egypt and Jordan?

Well, that's easy. Because Egypt and Jordan haven't said, "Syria of course can respond anyway it want but Syrian government know what the consequences will be."

Israel exists today ONLY because of U.S. support. I challenge you to admit that fact.

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Well, that's easy. Because Egypt and Jordan haven't said, "Syria of course can respond anyway it want but Syrian government know what the consequences will be."

Care to show where did some Israeli official say something like that.
What I post here is my personal opinion.
Egypt and Jordan receives money from US but keep with Anti-Semitc Propaganda.

Arab states with close relations to the United States should end anti-Semitic and anti-Israeli incitement, and increase their commitment to a Middle East peace process, if an upcoming key autumn peace conference is to succeed, a letter signed Tuesday by dozens of American senators said. Some 77 senators added their names to the letter, addressed to US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, and authored by New York Democrat Charles Schumer and South Carolina Republican Lindsey Graham. http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...455952,00.html

Israel exists today ONLY because of U.S. support. I challenge you to admit that fact.

Israel did fine in 3 wars without any American help. I will not deny the fact that American support helped but Israel was one of fronts in a cold war so when USSR started to support Arabs and persecute Jews US started to support Israel. You would probably prefer that US would help Muslim terrorists to ethnically cleanse the Jews out of Israel. Apparently most of Americans don’t support this POV.

[Mia]

Quote by: shrike Israel retreated from Lebanon and UN approved it.Hezbollah don't need any reason to fight Israel they will find something else.The main reason they fight becouse Israel is a Jewish state

Last time I checked, when another country is occupying your land, that's a reason to be at war.

[Mia]

Quote by: Zeebadee Big talk from a pussy little "country" that depends on U.S. support for it's very existence. Let's see Israel make the "choice" to survive on it's own and refuse the billions of dollars and the advanced weapon systems the U.S. taxpayers send it every year.

Thank you! Big words coming from someone who can't even exist without US, much less defend themselves.

Quote by: shrike Why don't you ask the same question about Egypt and Jordan?

Are they occupiers too?

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Last time I checked, when another country is occupying your land, that's a reason to be at war

Maybe you missed that but even anti-Israeli organization like UN agreed that Israel not occupying any land from Lebanon.But of course you take Muslim fanatics claims for granted

Are they occupiers too?

What relevance it has?

[Mia]

Why do you keep mentioning Lebanon? I'm talking about the Golan Heights.

What relevance? You're comparing assistance to Israel with assistance to Egypt and Jordan. I'm saying they don't compare, and giving one reason why.

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I'm talking about the Golan Heights

Than you should it state it so in the begening.So if Syria wage a war against Israel for whatever reasons as you admitted youself.Israel has a full right to defend it self.So the strike was totally justified.

What relevance? You're comparing assistance to Israel with assistance to Egypt and Jordan. I'm saying they don't compare, and giving one reason why.

Yes you right. Israel is liberal democracy that fights for survival against its enemies while Egypt and Jordan oil rich dictatorships.

[Praxius]

Quote by: shrike What exactly cluster bombs used Jews in Hebron 1929 when were slaughtered and ethnically cleansed?

What the hell kind of sentence is that?

First.... Cluster Bombs don't have the consciousness to use anybody.

Secondly... whatever happened in the past to your or anybody else's culture, is no excuse to stoop to the same level of evility and reckless abandon on civilians who most likely had no involvement in the past situation. Esspecially when it comes to cluster bombs being used on them, which have no discrimination on their targets or anything nearby.

This just shows an equal level of hypocracy and shows they're no better then those they blame for their current situation.

Source?

Source? Source for a question? wtf?

I am the source of my question if that helps you any. Shall I reverse-Jeopardy my question so that it forms into an answer?

[notworthabean]

1) Israel would survive without US help. The only problem is Israeli actiosn would cause problems for the US in a region where the US wants stability, So the US buys israel off and keeps them out of wars. This is not a "weak lil jewish state needs the big bad US's protection" situation, the main problem the US has is restraining Israel.

2) Syria is free to try to attack israel, if they sent more potent rockets then the dinky things Hezbollah was sending they will find after the 2nd or 3rd wave that..damuscus disappeared beneath a cloud of dust and air plane trails. Again the only reason Israel "lost" the war with liebanon was Intl' pressure kept them from going whole hog

3) Mia you do know that jordan and egypt once occupied the west bank and gaza right? they never tried to make them independent states. Wheres your criticsim for them?

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What the hell kind of sentence is that? First.... Cluster Bombs don't have the consciousness to use anybody. Secondly... whatever happened in the past to your or anybody else's culture, is no excuse to stoop to the same level of evility and reckless abandon on civilians who most likely had no involvement in the past situation. Esspecially when it comes to cluster bombs being used on them, which have no discrimination on their targets or anything nearby. This just shows an equal level of hypocracy and shows they're no better then those they blame for their current situation

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You claim was that Israel is hated because it used cluster bombs right?
State of Israel and Jews in Land of Israel were attacked before even the cluster bombs were invented. So it has nothing to with what type of weaponry Israel use.

Source? Source for a question? wtf? I am the source of my question if that helps you any. Shall I reverse-Jeopardy my question so that it forms into an answer?

I am only asked question if you have a source for claim that Israel hit Iran.

[Praxius]

Quote by: shrike . You claim was that Israel is hated because it used cluster bombs right? State of Israel and Jews in Land of Israel were attacked before even the cluster bombs were invented. So it has nothing to with what type of weaponry Israel use.

My reference towards Cluster Bombs was in regards to recent hatred not acient..... and was to be one example among many others in which I can recently remember.

If they were actually trying to win the hearts and minds of those who live near and around them, and to attempt to make any kind of peace, they're doing a very bad job of it.

I am only asked question if you have a source for claim that Israel hit Iran.

There was no claim, only a question. And the more I think of it, I believe what I heard before was this original incident when it actually occured.

[Chancellor]

Quote by: Gaius So the Weapons of Mass Destruction were in Syria? Well what are we waiting for?!

No, these ones were from North Korea and were nukes. They weren't Sadaam Hussein's biological and chemical weapons.

Here's someone else's take on a similar event in July: The Hal Lindsey Report - Prophesied destruction of Damascus imminent? (you should also listen to his 9/21/07 podcast because it mentions the more recent bombing).

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Quote by: Praxius My reference towards Cluster Bombs was in regards to recent hatred not acient..... and was to be one example among many others in which I can recently remember.

What do you mean anceint? Does 80 years is ancient? Or 50 years?
The event that I mentioned is part of the conflict that caused to creation of self defense groups like Hagana .Or maybe you claim that before IDF used cluster bombs Israel was not hated by Arab world? It doesn’t matter what Israel will do it will be hated anyway because Israel is a Jewish state.

If they were actually trying to win the hearts and minds of those who live near and around them, and to attempt to make any kind of peace, they're doing a very bad job of it

Its war in war you try to win. Thats how it goes. Cluster bombs are legal type of weapons like it or not.
Hezbollah don’t want any peace with Israel. They want the destruction of a Jewish state.

[Praxius]

Quote by: shrike What do you mean anceint? Does 80 years is ancient? Or 50 years?

Quite simply put.... those who were involved in those conflicts and issues are either long dead, or so old they forget when they went to the can last. the next generation should have no involvement in past conflicts, nor should they carry the torch of vengence.

And regardless of past actions on their country, it does not justify using reckless weaponry on other civilians of another country, as they are still human beings.

If you would like to have people stop attacking your country's citizens and treating you with hostility, then lead by example (This goes for any country)

The event that I mentioned is part of the conflict that caused to creation of self defense groups like Hagana .Or maybe you claim that before IDF used cluster bombs Israel was not hated by Arab world? It doesn’t matter what Israel will do it will be hated anyway because Israel is a Jewish state.

FFS, cluster bombs were one example among many others..... move along.

And I don't hate Israel because it's a Jewish state..... thinking that I in return think this, is racist in itself..... and feuls the cycle.

I hate a country/government based on their actions, not their beliefs.

And flying into another country's air space to attack one of their compounds based on fear of some kind of future attack is no excuse..... I figured what's going on in Iraq would be an example of this.

Its war in war you try to win. Thats how it goes. Cluster bombs are legal type of weapons like it or not. Hezbollah don’t want any peace with Israel. They want the destruction of a Jewish state.

Because that state in turn is attacking and fighting them.... holy snot, doesn't anybody see the typical pattern?

*shrugs* oh well, not like I truly care.... continue to blow the hell out of each other.

[Praxius]

Oh and in regards to Cluster Bombs:

UK refuses to back cluster bomb ban as extent of use in Lebanon revealed | The Guardian | Guardian Unlimited

....A group of countries, led by Sweden, is urging a worldwide ban on cluster bombs at arms talks in Geneva. Each bomb contains hundreds of small "bomblets", many of which fail to explode until picked up by inquisitive children or stepped on by civilians. Israeli forces dropped an estimated 1m cluster bomblets in southern Lebanon this summer - 90% of which were dropped in the last three days of the conflict, a new report from Landmine Action said yesterday. The weapons have left a trail of unexploded munitions that is killing between three and four civilians each day and impeding relief work. In just one month, the UN identified more than 500 areas hit by cluster bombs, the report said. Richard Moyes, policy and research manager of Landmine Action, which supports the proposed ban, said Britain's refusal to back a ban was "incredible". "Unfortunately, it is not surprising because the UK has been one of the biggest users of the munitions, in Kosovo and in Iraq," he added. Mr Moyes said he did not want to speculate on why Israel had dropped so many cluster bombs in the last days of the war in Lebanon that ended in August. One theory was that Israel hoped it would make it more difficult for Hizbullah to fire its rockets from southern Lebanon. Aid agencies and human rights groups, such as Landmine Action, have repeatedly called for an international ban on the use of cluster weapons Most Israeli cluster strikes hit built-up areas. Landmine Action says when the research for its report was undertaken a month after the ceasefire, water and power supplies had been blocked, and schools, roads, houses, and gardens were still littered with unexploded devices......

With such disregard for civilian lives, no country like this diserves any respect from me.