Student at a Kerry event is Tasered:

[Chaossaber314]

Quote by: grandpa Well, in addition to being arrested for no good reason, Meyer was probably well aware of gestapo-like tactics, such as what happened during a drug raid at Stratford High School in Goose Creek, S.C., where "Police came into the school with guns at the ready, ordered all students to lie on the floor and then handcuffed anyone who apparently didn't comply quickly enough." Parent Latonia Simmons said: "I was just upset knowing they had guns put to their head and a K9 was barking at them and about to bite somebody. It was awful." Drug Raid At S.C. High School, Parents Complain Of Gun-Waving Cops Terrorizing Students - CBS News You just shouldn't trust people in a uniform. Grandpa h.

Wow, it really sounds like this random story shows a clear example of citizens being turned over to the government for summary execution. Oh... wait.

[Chaossaber314]

Quote by: ruksak What punishment? He walked out of jail and will likely suffer no further repercussions. The tasing wasn't punishment. It was reaction to Meyer's action. You really shouldn't get involved in standing up for mouthy jerkoff kids that break the law just for attention.

But don't you see? It's not about what he did. It's about the message that he was trying to convey through his statement/questions.

If this wasn't someone asking about Skull and Bones, but perhaps a Bushbot who started being insulting at a Jim Fetzer or Alex Jones seminar/conference, they would have taken the side of the police/whoever decided to physically remove them in a second.

[Night]

Am I the only person who wishes this kid went to Columbia Uni and yelled at Ahmadinejad??? lmao

[ruksak]

Quote by: Chaossaber314 But don't you see? It's not about what he did. It's about the message that he was trying to convey through his statement/questions.

You don't fire off questions in a hostile manner, disrespect the forum structure and refuse to stop talking when asked if you want your message to get across. If he had any valid point to make, he would have been better served to remain calm and use respect and tact to deliver his message.

Nor was he "brutalized" for what he said. Or for even the terribly disrespectful and hostile manner in which he said it. He was tased for refusing to put his hands behind his back while being arrested for his hostile display.

[ruksak]

Quote by: grandpa Well, in addition to being arrested for no good reason, Meyer was probably well aware of gestapo-like tactics, such as what happened during a drug raid at Stratford High School in Goose Creek, S.C., where "Police came into the school with guns at the ready, ordered all students to lie on the floor and then handcuffed anyone who apparently didn't comply quickly enough." Parent Latonia Simmons said: "I was just upset knowing they had guns put to their head and a K9 was barking at them and about to bite somebody. It was awful." Drug Raid At S.C. High School, Parents Complain Of Gun-Waving Cops Terrorizing Students - CBS News You just shouldn't trust people in a uniform. Grandpa h.

Sorry gramps, but its not appropriate to cite other instances of authority abuse. I'll be the first guy to say that police sometimes do indeed act with god-like authority and often overstep the line. The case you cited is a perfect example of such.

However it has nothing whatsoever to do with the matter at hand. We cannot function as a society if we go around acting disruptively and disobeying police orders, simply because we're aware of past instances of police brutality.

Thats madness.

[Chaossaber314]

Quote by: ruksak You don't fire off questions in a hostile manner, disrespect the forum structure and refuse to stop talking when asked if you want your message to get across.

Nah, he wanted airtime. He got it. He just didn't expect to get zapped.

[grandpa]

Quote by: ruksak What punishment? He walked out of jail and will likely suffer no further repercussions.

Getting manhandled and tased, maybe?

Grandpa h.

[ruksak]

Quote by: grandpa Getting manhandled and tased, maybe? Grandpa h.

Thats what happens if you fight the PO PO. In any city, anywhere in the world. The same thing will happen. You will end up the loser and you will carry with you the marks of an idiot loudmouth (Those marks being bluish-black in color).

[grandpa]

Quote by: Chaossaber314 Wow, it really sounds like this random story shows a clear example of citizens being turned over to the government for summary execution. Oh...

I don't know how you can just brush either incident off. In the Drug Rade incident, they were pointing guns at kids heads, in the Meyer incident they started crowding him away simply for asking questions.

These are both signs of police state behavior--resorting to force to solve every little issue.

Here is another instance:

In PALMDALE, Calif., security guards broke a girl's wrist because she didn't clean up all of her birthday cake.
"He grabbed me by my arm and put my arm behind my back and pulled it up until it hurt," said student Pleajhai Mervin. "Then, he slammed me on the table."
The security guard called her a "nappy-head."
Security Guards' Confrontation With Students Prompts Protest - News Story - KNBC | Los Angeles

Grandpa h.

[grandpa]

Quote by: ruksak Sorry gramps, but its not appropriate to cite other instances of authority abuse. I'll be the first guy to say that police sometimes do indeed act with god-like authority and often overstep the line.

It is appropriate when considering one's reaction to arrest for no apparent reason.

People often claim that these are isolated incidents but they aren't. There are plenty of reasons to distrust police. Meyer was well aware of this, I'd assume.

How is it madness to note this?

Grandpa h.

[grandpa]

Quote by: ruksak Thats what happens if you fight the PO PO. In any city, anywhere in the world.

But Meyer hardly even reacted violently, at least until someone lifted him up. Nowhere in this police-caused altercation did he do anything most wouldn't consider doing.

Grandpa h.

[The Decider]

Quote by: grandpa Actually, I do have an idea. I know Kerry was willing to answer the question, and Meyer started asking it in a considerably civil way. That obviously clashes with the police report.

Please stop reconstructing the facts to suit your argument, Grandpa. Meyer asked THREE questions, not "the question." He did so AFTER he complained about not getting a chance to ask questions, even though Kerry had already taken more questions than allowed by the forum rules (which Meyer knew). He was already given leniency by the administration. And he abused it.

Quote by: grandpa This is pretty clear evidence the police report lied, because there is literally no indication a riot was imminent. None whatsoever. That's what I, and any other practical person, would admit.

Again, you keep ignoring arguments that contradict yours. Why do you do that? For example, I've stated TWICE that Meyer was charged with THREE offences: resisting the police, disturbing the peace, and violating administrative rules. I don't see "inciting a riot." However, at least one of the cops explained that Meyer was making a tense situation worse by appealing to the audience for help (ie screaming and yelling). Before the video, Meyer displayed more such behavior. At least two witnesses named in the report corroborate that information. Meyer was "inciting a riot" that had not yet occured. An "imminent riot" is not necessary. An attempt to create one is, either purposely or unwittingly.

Quote by: grandpa I think you're also wrong to assume the audience applauded simply for good reasons. I'm sure the audience had people who applauded merely because they disliked Meyer and what he was saying. People are like that (including you, apparently).

For someone who can't even admit to assuming the pre-video actions of police and Meyer, your attack on my "assumption" of audience preferences is rich indeed. You can't have it both ways.

Quote by: grandpa I've seen some incredibly stupid arguments in this thread, including that Meyer essentially intended for all this to happen, like he systematically plotted to keep being interrupted by the officers. That's just stupid.

I never made that claim.

Quote by: grandpa It also makes no sense to make the police or the university to be the victims here.

You're the one using the word "victim." It's not my word. The police and the university simply followed the forum rules up until the tasing incident, which may have been illegal--I don't know.

However, I do know that you accused me of supporting police brutality in an earlier post. Please retract that claim if you have any honor at all.

[Gods_Mercenary]

Quote by: grandpa But Meyer hardly even reacted violently, at least until someone lifted him up. Nowhere in this police-caused altercation did he do anything most wouldn't consider doing. Grandpa h.

Most people would not scream like idiots at a hostile crowd for help, most people, even my most drunken buddies, would become docile when faced with a half dozen police asking you to leave and then forcing you to leave. I would like to think that most people would have the common sense to leave quietly when it became clear that they were either leaving under their own power or a few burly cop's power.

[grandpa]

Quote by: The Decider Please stop reconstructing the facts to suit your argument, Grandpa. Meyer asked THREE questions, not "the question."

Well, I apologize for "reconstructing the facts" by neglecting he asked more than one question. But that's not as big a reconstruction as what the police report committed.

Mine just now was a simple mistake, whereas the police report lied by syaing Meyer was "inciting a riot."

And, while we're on the subject, how is aksing three questions instead of one worth police "escorting him out?" He was no "threat" to the proceedings.

Grandpa h.

[grandpa]

Quote by: The Decider I never made that claim.

I didn't say you did. But it was made in this thread..

Grandpa h.

[ruksak]

Quote by: Grampa I've seen some incredibly stupid arguments in this thread, including that Meyer essentially intended for all this to happen, like he systematically plotted to keep being interrupted by the officers. That's just stupid.

What do you think his intentions were then? By yelling and being disruptive. I'm talking about his actions before his mic was even cut. Do you really think the fact that he had a friend recording this, he has a website with videos of himself shocking and upsetting people, and he verbally attacked a guest speaker in a hostile manner, was all a coincidence?

Answer that. You sayin he wasn't there to cause a scene? Naturally if your going to cause a disruptive scene in the presence of a US senator, the police are likely to step in.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Gods_Mercenary Most people would not scream like idiots at a hostile crowd for help, most people, even my most drunken buddies, would become docile when faced with a half dozen police asking you to leave and then forcing you to leave. I would like to think that most people would have the common sense to leave quietly when it became clear that they were either leaving under their own power or a few burly cop's power.

But the cops did not give Meyer any opportunity to "leave under his own power." They kept holding his harms and guiding him along. They could have let him "leave under his own power" once his questions were answered and the event was over. It's as simple as that. We needn't assume anything else would have happened.

You say Meyer was acting like an idiot, but he wasn't. Getting manhandled for no apparent reason is a perfectly smart reason to call for help, especially when you are aware that police brutality exists.

As I said before, this was another instance of using force to make things worse. You don't mention this, but many people would act the way Meyer acted, even to cops. It's simply not normal for someone to start escorting you out of a room for asking three questions. Asking questions does not normally constitute a crime, and certainly merits cries of "what did I do wrong?", "what are you doing?" and "Help!"
Those weren't the cries off irrationality, but of real-life concerns.

Grandpa h.

[grandpa]

Quote by: ruksak What do you think his intentions were then? By yelling and being disruptive.

Again, it's up to you to prove his bad intentions, not me. It's also up to you to substantiate that he was trying to "incite a riot," as the police clearly claimed.

From what I see in the video, Kerry had agreed to answer the question/questions. Clearly, he was not being disruptive in any threatening way. The cops just wanted to arrest him, which is pretty well shown in the videos.

Grandpa h.