Obama to pull out.....

[Technosoul]

(Obama to pull out) troops from Iraq by end of 2008, if elected, he promised in recent speech.

He is going to get all the people in Iraq to join together as one happy country somehow, or he would "work to do that" but did not give details about how.

As you know Hillary Clinton suggested that the leadership in Iraq might need changing if the different factors could not put together as plan for peaceful co-exsistance. Obama took a jab at that in saying the troubles in Iraq are bigger then one man. He wants to keep the current leader.

Obama says he would withdraw from Iraq by end-2008 - Yahoo! News

Above is the actual news story that I slanted a little bit.

And by the way he is not pulling out of the election race ... in case you thought that by my clever title.

But what if something unexpected developed in Iraq before he is elected, if suddenly A-Q had terrorist training camps there, what if the Iraqi police force that we trained had a revolution and took over the their government by force? In other words, how can Obama make a promise without knowing what the furture might hold for that situation?

[Osborn F Enready]

Wow, the spin in this thread is so bad I almost tripped clicking in.

Techno said: In other words, how can Obama make a promise without knowing what the furture might hold for that situation?

He can't. He is a talking head, looking for the sheeple vote.

[Chancellor]

Quote by: Technosoul (Obama to pull out) troops from Iraq by end of 2008, if elected, he promised in recent speech. He is going to get all the people in Iraq to join together as one happy country somehow, or he would "work to do that" but did not give details about how. As you know Hillary Clinton suggested that the leadership in Iraq might need changing if the different factors could not put together as plan for peaceful co-exsistance. Obama took a jab at that in saying the troubles in Iraq are bigger then one man. He wants to keep the current leader. Obama says he would withdraw from Iraq by end-2008 - Yahoo! News Above is the actual news story that I slanted a little bit. And by the way he is not pulling out of the election race ... in case you thought that by my clever title. But what if something unexpected developed in Iraq before he is elected, if suddenly A-Q had terrorist training camps there, what if the Iraqi police force that we trained had a revolution and took over the their government by force? In other words, how can Obama make a promise without knowing what the furture might hold for that situation?

Interesting. Since he would not actually be sworn into office until sometime in January 2009, how would he accomplish this? Bush would still be the President until Obama is sworn in.

[Dan_77]

Quote by: Chancellor Interesting. Since he would not actually be sworn into office until sometime in January 2009, how would he accomplish this? Bush would still be the President until Obama is sworn in.

Actually, he didn't say that. Techno did more slanting than a funhouse.

He said he would pull troops out by the end of 2008, meaning he would support that plan of action.

My only complaint is that it isn't fast enough. I am in favor of bringing them home as quickly as our transport logistics allow us to do so. The sooner we leave, the quicker this distraction from the real problems of our nation ends.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Chancellor Interesting. Since he would not actually be sworn into office until sometime in January 2009, how would he accomplish this? Bush would still be the President until Obama is sworn in.

You got me on that one buddy, great observation. But that is what the story said in the title.

But I guess we can chalk that up to experience, he has less experience with moving into the White House as "that other canidate".

Ha. Bush better watch out. he might come home late some night and find Obama sleeping in his bed.

[Technosoul]

Anyway this forum gets more 'hits' (views) on a Hillary Clinton topic then any other canidates, Ron Paul gets most of the rest of the "hits" (viewers).

None of the other canidates get much attention from people who pop in for a peek see. So we might as well stick with our own leading frontrunners of interest.

[Chancellor]

Quote by: tivodan1116 Actually, he didn't say that. Techno did more slanting than a funhouse. He said he would pull troops out by the end of 2008, meaning he would support that plan of action.

Whether Barack Osama said it or whether Techno intentionally put into the title, it simply can't happen.

My only complaint is that it isn't fast enough. I am in favor of bringing them home as quickly as our transport logistics allow us to do so. The sooner we leave, the quicker this distraction from the real problems of our nation ends.

Since we shouldn't have gone in there in the first place, I agree. But I think we have a moral obligation not to leave Iraq in a worse mess than it was in when we invaded. Let's help them get their government up and running as quickly as possible and get out of there.

[Thanatos]

Quote by: Technosoul But what if something unexpected developed in Iraq before he is elected, if suddenly A-Q had terrorist training camps there, what if the Iraqi police force that we trained had a revolution and took over the their government by force? In other words, how can Obama make a promise without knowing what the furture might hold for that situation?

Dream on Technosoul, dream on.

IMHO the Iraqis should sort out their own problems. Our attempts to sort out their problems for them have killed a lot of people and seriously encouraged the growth of Al-Queada. We need to leave now.

[Bigmo]

I think obama and the democrats are going to do what Bill Clinton did with Iraq. They will withdraw US troops from Iraq and then pave the way for the next war against Iran. They will impose sanctions and so on, and then when the next republican come to power, he will have the excuse of "violating US sanctions" to go after Iran. Americans as usual will support it, but then will oppose it after the casualties mount and the supposed "nuclear bomb" is not there. But this time I believe there will be a huge backlash against the lobbyist. But only after the war in Iran.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Chancellor Whether Barack Osama said it or whether Techno intentionally put into the title, it simply can't happen. Since we shouldn't have gone in there in the first place, I agree. But I think we have a moral obligation not to leave Iraq in a worse mess than it was in when we invaded. Let's help them get their government up and running as quickly as possible and get out of there.

I Did not fake the title. If the title is in error which you see in the link provided then that is how i found it, cut and paste.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Bigmo I think obama and the democrats are going to do what Bill Clinton did with Iraq. They will withdraw US troops from Iraq and then pave the way for the next war against Iran. They will impose sanctions and so on, and then when the next republican come to power, he will have the excuse of "violating US sanctions" to go after Iran. Americans as usual will support it, but then will oppose it after the casualties mount and the supposed "nuclear bomb" is not there. But this time I believe there will be a huge backlash against the lobbyist. But only after the war in Iran.

You are confused. It is the Untied Nations that makes the sanctions NOT the United States.

[Chancellor]

Quote by: Technosoul I Did not fake the title. If the title is in error which you see in the link provided then that is how i found it, cut and paste.

It changes nothing. Notice what I said: "Whether Barack Osama said it or whether Techno intentionally put into the title, it simply can't happen."

[Dan_77]

Quote by: Chancellor It changes nothing. Notice what I said: "Whether Barack Osama said it or whether Techno intentionally put into the title, it simply can't happen."

You are confused about what he said. He said he would support a pullout by the end of 2008, which can certainly happen. He didn't say he would be elected president and pull out by 2008 - that makes no sense.

[Chancellor]

Quote by: tivodan1116 You are confused about what he said. He said he would support a pullout by the end of 2008, which can certainly happen. He didn't say he would be elected president and pull out by 2008 - that makes no sense.

To quote the original post:

(Obama to pull out) troops from Iraq by end of 2008, if elected, he promised in recent speech.

I expect people to mean what they write (for them to do otherwise is deception). The original post said what it said and it doesn't matter that the link says something else.

The point being that it doesn't make sense to say that Obama would pull out troops from Iraq by the end of 2008 if elected and it doesn't make sense for exactly the reasons I stated earlier.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Chancellor To quote the original post: (Obama to pull out) troops from Iraq by end of 2008, if elected, he promised in recent speech. I expect people to mean what they write (for them to do otherwise is deception). The original post said what it said and it doesn't matter that the link says something else. The point being that it doesn't make sense to say that Obama would pull out troops from Iraq by the end of 2008 if elected and it doesn't make sense for exactly the reasons I stated earlier.

Only if elected would he have the authority to pull out the troops.

If elected in January of 2008 and took office the next day would he not have time to pull them all out by the end of that year (in a safe manner). But... point being he would not assume his new role as President the next day, he would acturally start his new job later then that. Right?

[Chancellor]

Quote by: Technosoul Only if elected would he have the authority to pull out the troops.

No, he wouldn't have the authority to pull the troops out by the end of 2008.

If elected in January of 2008 and took office the next day would he not have time to pull them all out by the end of that year (in a safe manner). But... point being he would not assume his new role as President the next day, he would acturally start his new job later then that. Right?

But the election is in November 2008 and, if elected, he wouldn't take office until late January 2009. I would have expected you to know that.