Best way to end terrorism tageting USA

[Technosoul]

What is the best way to bring an end to Islamic "holy war" terrorism that targets the USA?

I do not recall any canadates speaking about how to end the on-going threat of terrorism, so what would you do?

Keep them at bay with the war in Iraq.

Put more effort into finding Bin Laden and his training camps.

Through the active employment of the CIA and a spy network.

Change our image with constructive actions so we are not seen as bullies or as immoral.

Pull our businesses out of forien Islamic nations, stop policing the world.

Those might be some of the options, at least the more common ones I have seen being suggested.

And which canadate do you think would be the most effective anti-terrorist President?

[Gerry]

You are starting off with the wrong premise, the official one, hopefully not your own.

That premise being that so-called "terrorism" against the U.S.was created in a vacuum and not the effect of a cause.

Unless we are willing to take responsibility for what created this so-called terrorism, it will not be fixed and remain to haunt us.

There is no sense in discussing Bin Laden who had nothing to do with 9/11 allthough the official story will have it so.

CIA has been notorious in its illegal actions around the globe and in its miserable collection/interpretation of intelligence.

Islam is not the problem. WE are. We can hardly accuse those who object to our bullying terrorist or insurgents. It might delude ourselves in order to make our case easier, but informed people know differently. I believe you do as well. No one in Washington is willing to address the elephant in the room. But thanks for bringing it up.

[kiFF]

You are starting off with the wrong premise, the official one, hopefully not your own. That premise being that so-called "terrorism" against the U.S.was created in a vacuum and not the effect of a cause. Unless we are willing to take responsibility for what created this so-called terrorism, it will not be fixed and remain to haunt us. There is no sense in discussing Bin Laden who had nothing to do with 9/11 allthough the official story will have it so. CIA has been notorious in its illegal actions around the globe and in its miserable collection/interpretation of intelligence. Islam is not the problem. WE are. We can hardly accuse those who object to our bullying terrorist or insurgents. It might delude ourselves in order to make our case easier, but informed people know differently. I believe you do as well. No one in Washington is willing to address the elephant in the room. But thanks for bringing it up.

Is your argument that because we "created" terrorism, it's perfectly justified?

[The Bacon Guy]

Keep them at bay with the war in Iraq.

Terrorism is the result of an ideology; not a physical force. As such, military force can only go so far in quelling this ideology.

Quote by: Techno Put more effort into finding Bin Laden and his training camps.

Bin Laden is just one man. He's a representative of, but not a cause of, Islamic terrorism.

Quote by: Techno Through the active employment of the CIA and a spy network.

Intelligence is always a good move, but I would stress that these agencies should be given power and resources proportional to the threat. Terrorism isn't nearly as big an issue as the media would have us believe.

Quote by: Techno Change our image with constructive actions so we are not seen as bullies or as immoral. Pull our businesses out of forien Islamic nations, stop policing the world.

I think the two are synonymous. If you're not to be seen as bullying and immoral, an end to interventionalist policy is necessary.

[thrashee]

I have to agree with Gerry, at least to a certain extent. It's also why I'd have to vote for Ron Paul, should he actually make it through to the primaries.

I don't think it's our fault that we've been attacked or that there are those out there so radical as to kill thousands of innocent people for a cause.

I do think we, as a nation, bury our heads in the sand under the guise of patriotism and just plain arrogance, and then use that same guise to justify the thirst for revenge.

It disturbs me when I watch the presidential debates, just how frenzied the crowd gets when it comes to this topic. There is such a blind amount of wanting to go get 'em, while not wanting to hear our own involvement in creating this mess, that scares me the most.

I think the only way to end terrorism is to pull out of the region and quit trying to nation-build, quit funding guerilla groups one decade and then label them terrorists the next, according to the political winds of the day.

If we want true national security, bring our military back home and do just that--defend our country.

[The Bacon Guy]

Quote by: Thrash It disturbs me when I watch the presidential debates, just how frenzied the crowd gets when it comes to this topic. There is such a blind amount of wanting to go get 'em, while not wanting to hear our own involvement in creating this mess, that scares me the most.

Right on.

It's disturbing when you hear "we're gonna get 'im" before you hear "we're going to defend the principles upon which this country was based."

And I don't even live in the US.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Gerry You are starting off with the wrong premise, the official one, hopefully not your own. That premise being that so-called "terrorism" against the U.S.was created in a vacuum and not the effect of a cause. Unless we are willing to take responsibility for what created this so-called terrorism, it will not be fixed and remain to haunt us. There is no sense in discussing Bin Laden who had nothing to do with 9/11 allthough the official story will have it so. CIA has been notorious in its illegal actions around the globe and in its miserable collection/interpretation of intelligence. Islam is not the problem. WE are. We can hardly accuse those who object to our bullying terrorist or insurgents. It might delude ourselves in order to make our case easier, but informed people know differently. I believe you do as well. No one in Washington is willing to address the elephant in the room. But thanks for bringing it up.

I am all for toneing down the secret missions of the CIA that are unlawful under the Consitution or international agreements.

But it might be too late to use that change to effect a quick end to terrorism that is now in full mommentum. CIA agents did not fly those airliners into the World Trade Center. Plus, some of your conspiracy theory cannot be viewed as "being correctly informed".

[Technosoul]

To believe that the 9-11 attacks were overstated or made-up by the news media sounds silly to me.

Or the arrests of those people in Germany or Denmark. Meaning that the media in every country is taking part in that conspiriacy plot to create unfounded fears about terrorism that is linked to Bin Laden. Such claims seem silly to me that such is all "make believe".

To end the war on terrorism by getting rid of they way the news media is covering the story, and making the news project a "softer image" of it, is one of the most "odd" war plans that ever crossed my desktop.

[Praxius]

Quote by: Technosoul To believe that the 9-11 attacks were overstated or made-up by the news media sounds silly to me. Or the arrests of those people in Germany or Denmark. Meaning that the media in every country is taking part in that conspiriacy plot to create unfounded fears about terrorism that is linked to Bin Laden. Such claims seem silly to me that such is all "make believe". To end the war on terrorism by getting rid of they way the news media is covering the story, and making the news project a "softer image" of it, is one of the most "odd" war plans that ever crossed my desktop.

The thing is, Terrorism wasn't as big of a thing world wide until Sept 11th.

At that time, it was supposively the Taliban in Afghanistan, but what provoked it? Either way, at that time it was only them as targets.

Then the US jumped into Iraq and screwed it all up. The world could see some justification for Afghanistan, but going into Iraq and causing what's going on over there now, has given much more support towards radical islam, and more hatred for the US. Iraq became the big spiral of hatred and terrorism support, because they are the ones taking the brunt of the attack of the 'Invaders" and have plenty of sympathy from around the world.

So now terrorist attacks are the norm and now you got poeple from your own countries, including my own, protesting and making attacks in symbolization and opposition.

And it'll keep going until this all stops, one way or another.

War never ends war, it's always ment to be continuous.

[Gerry]

Technosoul -

The CIA was created in 1947, the worst thing they could have done.
The NSA created in 1952 , I believe, is another disaster
Both should be declared illegal and dismantled.
The CIA is an illegal rogue force not accountible to anyone. It's budget is classified, and it supplements its funds with drug running. Those may be shocking, but they are facts. The CIA has illigally engaged in covert activity within this country against American citizens. By providing them with mind altering drugs in order to determine how to get prospective prisoners to talk.
It has engaged in false flag operations like the bombing of the Bologna Central Station that took about 85 lives, blaming it on subversive groups in order to get a larger presence in Europe. The bombing in Paris. The killing of former Italian PM Aldo Moro whoser body was found in a trunk of a car after 50 somewhat days of captivity. . This was attributed to the Red Brigade, but was a false flag operation that included the cooperation of Italy's intelligence services, the highest level of Government, CIA and NATO. The use patsies.
CIA's involvement include the killing of Allende and putting in power Augusto Pinochet who made so many of his own countrymen disappear. There are warrants out for Kissinger's arrest connected with the killing of General Schneider in Chile.
Removing from power democratically elected Central American leaders to replace them with dictators that benefited United Fruit Co.
Removing from power the democratically elected and hugely popular PM Mossadegh in Iran and replacing him with the cruel Shah, who oppressed and killed more of his own people than Saddam Hussein ever did. For that little exercise we netted 40% of Iran oil. When the Iran revolution broke out and Americans were held hostage for over one year, no one bothered to ask the cardinal question "Why are the Iranians so pissed at us?" Not asking questions is always a red flag!!. In this case we didn;t want to know the answer for it would have told the American people that we had illegally removed a democratically elected head of state and replaced him with a dictator. So the media remained silent and Americans learned that the Muslims hate us for our freedom.
CIA overthrew Patrice Lumumba in the Congo, and had him assasinated to replace him with Sese Seko Mubuto who put every cent of foreign aid in a private bank account in Switzerland for over 30 years and starved his own people. For that exercise we netted all the mineral rights in the Congo. Now the Congo has a HUGE debt it will never be able to repay. While those who provided the aid knew all along what was happening.

The CIA has become the Presidents private army. There is no accountibility to Congress. There are no checks and balances. It is corrupt and engages in illegal activities all over the world.

Remember last year the big story about illegal CIA rendition flights and European Countries being all ticked off. Well in reality, there is not one flight that lands anywhere in any European country unless immigration control is involved OR when an intelligence service tells them to back off because it's one of "their" flights. So the Government may not have "officially" known, but their intelligence services play dirty games just like the CIA does. Everyone was cooperating with each other . It STINKS.


Andreas von Bülow, Doctorate in Jurisprudence, was a member of German Parliament for 25 years. He was Minister of Foreign Affairs (Secretary of State) Minister of Reasearch and Technology and a member of the Intelligence Supervisory Committee.
This committee supervises German intelligence agencies and has access to classified information. In the early nineties, von Bülow also served as SPD ranking member of the Schalck-Golodkowski investigation committee, a task that first led him to inquire into white collar crime in connection with Eastern intelligence services, and later also into what he labels "criminal activities" of Western intelligence services.[2] His first major publication dealing with this realm, In the Name of the State (German:Im Namen des Staates) is a heavily referenced and extensive study focusing mostly on the CIA. So he knows a false flag operation when he sees one. He wrote a book called "The CIA and 9/11" in which he concludes that 9/11 was a false flag operation. So does Michael Meacher a British MP.
Google Andreas von Bülow. I don't believe that a man of his stature would risk his own reputation and credibility by writing something so outlandisch unless he had incontrovertable proof.

Its a very dangerous game. And we cannot afford these covert activities anymore. There have been over 250 since WW2. People are angry at us, and with reason.

Ciao

[Yarn]

Terrorism against the United State probably cannot in the forseeable future be ended. It can however in the forseeable future be diminished.

Foreign policy blunders and extra legal activities, have greatly increased the number of terrorists who are trying to commit terrorist acts on United States soil.

The genie is to some degree already irreversably out of the bottle, unfortunately.

Leaving Iraq would help us, as without the common enemy of the US, the non Al Quaeda insurgents would crush Al Quaeda in Iraq, as such insurgents are already starting to do that rather half heartedly, even with the US presence, simply because they hate Al Quaeda in Iraq-they want it out.

A cessation of blind support of Israel would be good to. We should curtail Israel's human rights abuses.

Extra-legal activity, if uneffective, should cease to occur.

[Gerry]

The thing is, Terrorism wasn't as big of a thing world wide until Sept 11th.

Terrorism is beinn thrown about and is largely and American creation.
The Muslims were angry at us for our carte blanche support of Israel and their continuous warmongering and oppression of the Palestinians.

At that time, it was supposively the Taliban in Afghanistan, but what provoked it? Either way, at that time it was only them as targets.

this is the official story
How Washington Funded the Taliban

Here's another:
Afghan women protest Taliban in Washington Off Our Backs - Find Articles

Both smokescreens.

The real story is that we were paying the Taliban in order to soften them up so that they'd allow us to build an oil pipeline.
Afghanistan did nothing to us. The supposed boxcutting Saudis, of which 6 are still alive and well, had nothing to do with Afghanistan. We bombed them because the Taliban wasn't whistling Dixie.

Then the US jumped into Iraq and screwed it all up. The world could see some justification for Afghanistan, but going into Iraq and causing what's going on over there now, has given much more support towards radical islam, and more hatred for the US. Iraq became the big spiral of hatred and terrorism support, because they are the ones taking the brunt of the attack of the 'Invaders" and have plenty of sympathy from around the world.

The world no longer sees a justification for Afghanistan. NATO is trying to make the best of it, but it will fail just like we did and the Soviets did.

So now terrorist attacks are the norm and now you got poeple from your own countries, including my own, protesting and making attacks in symbolization and opposition.

No they are not. We need to learn WHY people are angry at us. Have our Government level with us. Accept culpability. Set things right. And that will be the end of any violence. .

And it'll keep going until this all stops, one way or another. War never ends war, it's always ment to be continuous

Who says so?? Bush, the neocons, Haliburton KBR?

Ciao

[AbuBakar]

Simple, leave USA, become the citizen of the great nations of the middle East, then you won't be attacked, instead you will be the one attacking the US :)

[Rainbow]

Quote by: Technosoul What is the best way to bring an end to Islamic "holy war" terrorism that targets the USA? I do not recall any canadates speaking about how to end the on-going threat of terrorism, so what would you do? Keep them at bay with the war in Iraq. Put more effort into finding Bin Laden and his training camps. Through the active employment of the CIA and a spy network. Change our image with constructive actions so we are not seen as bullies or as immoral. Pull our businesses out of forien Islamic nations, stop policing the world. Those might be some of the options, at least the more common ones I have seen being suggested. And which canadate do you think would be the most effective anti-terrorist President?

#1
Sahara is good enough for that purpose.

#2
Not necessarily the main objective.

#3, #4, #5
N/A
(unless you are about to replace Mankind)

#6
I think you are joking with those candidates :-)

[improvident]

What is the best way to bring an end to Islamic "holy war" terrorism that targets the USA?

Perhaps we are just as responsible for this 'holy war'

Perhaps if we minded our own business.. let the Muslims be Muslims and didnt try to turn them into Jew/Christian loving brain washed money centered 'free' people all this would blow over?

Islam is not the problem. WE are. We can hardly accuse those who object to our bullying terrorist or insurgents. It might delude ourselves in order to make our case easier, but informed people know differently. I believe you do as well. No one in Washington is willing to address the elephant in the room. But thanks for bringing it up.

I just liked this quote.. and it strengthens what im trying to say.. so.. re-read it

[Chancellor]

Quote by: kiFF Is your argument that because we "created" terrorism, it's perfectly justified?

We didn't create "terrorism." I think what the other poster is suggesting is that retaliation for American foreign policy in the Middle East over the last 50 or so years does not necessarily constitute terrorism.

[Yarn]

Terrorism is a tactic. Cause for a tactic, is irrelevant to whether or not that tactic is terrorist.