Support for War Effort Dwindling

[bishop]

editorial


just a snippet of the editorial...

Two hundred billion dollars later, President Bush is now almost alone in seeing Iraq as a major battlefield against Osama bin Laden's terrorists. Most of the original armchair strategists of the "cakewalk" brigade had gone AWOL. Inside the 61-square-mile zone surrounded by reality, otherwise known as the District of Columbia, the cacophony of mating cicadas had put the war hawks to flight. The global newspaper Financial Times' Gerard Baker wrote: "It is hard to find anyone who admits to having supported the war at all. If success has many fathers and failure is an orphan, Washington is now running the largest and most desperate orphanage in modern intellectual history." Those who were once gung-ho to liberate Iraq listened politely, without objection, to various face-saving, U.N.-sponsored scenarios. Accelerated Iraqi sovereignty now seemed a small price to bring U.S. troops home by April 2005, the second anniversary of the occupation. The tsunami of anti-American venom unleashed around the world by the Abu Ghraib torture pictures also has crested and begun to subside. But Mr. Bush is still being pummeled mercilessly for what Le Monde called "out of control hoity-toity hubris."

[giuliano]

it will be very interesting to see how the election pans out.

i'm from australia so i'm only going on media coverage, but it strikes me that there's a large number of 'lyndie england's out there who don't care about strategic realities, they just believe in killing 'em and letting god sort 'em out.

[bishop]

there sure are unfortunately... one part budding fascism, another part ignorance. and, another part post-9/11 hysteria.

[arclight]

What part is the ignorance? What part is the fascism? Hillary Clinton is a fascist, but I don't see too many people mirroring her views. John Kerry is an ignoramus, but not too many people actually support him, outside of the media. To stop the islamic jihadists from killing millions of Americans, among other people, they must be killed. These are not reasonable or sane people, the terrorists. They will kill or be killed, so the decision is ours. Kill them in the sandbox, or let them (the ones who are not already) come on over and have a merry old time killing and killing and killing us. Good vs. evil, it could not be much clearer.

[bishop]

the ignorant/fascist parts can be characterized by the "kill 'em all" mentality. also, the enlightened types of people who refer to them as "sand niggers" and other great phrases.

there weren't many terrorists in iraq before we invaded. now there are many. ol' bushy just gave the "forces of evil" a helping hand.

[Paavo]

To stop the islamic jihadists from killing millions of Americans, among other people, they must be killed

And how will you point them out? How will you find them? Those are the questions you should be thinking about. In fact, the only one question that's going to make the others unnecessary, is this:

What makes them become terrorists?

Good vs. evil, it could not be much clearer.

In the bible, koran, kid's mind maybe - not in the real world!

I dont think McDonalds and fake boobs do it, but they claim it does, all in the name of Allah.

[bishop]

heh, do you have a point, other than saying that terrorists are bad people that distort their religion for their murderous agenda? news flash - everybody knows that already!

Then what seems to be your concern?

[bishop]

that our little crusade in iraq has not made us safer. quite the opposite in fact.

and, according ot the poll i posted, it seems that a majority of americans agree with me.

Bishop a poll posted in this forum is not going to give you an accurate indication of American's attitutes.
Contrary to your assertion that the Iraqi campaign has not made us safer, there are thousands of dead terrorist that would be alive had not they found their way in front of a coalition bullet. True, terrorist are migrating from other countries to fight Americans. I say, better to kill them in Iraq/Afghanistan/Central and South East Asia, than in Boston or Miami.
The US or Bush did not start this war, it has been going on for decades. I don't really care what their problem is. If they don't like western culture, non-burkha clan women walking about, fast food, rock and roll, the Sopranos, skin flicks or I dream of Jeanie. I don't care if their pissed at western governments and companies setting up shop on their sand and drilling for oil. Their countries are MUCH better off for having this economic influence in their desserts. I REALLY don't give a shit if their clerics, mullahs, Iyatollahs, Imams etc. don't like the fact we don't bow to Mecca several times a day and chant praises to Allah.
These terrorist are Barbarians from the middle ages. If they want to kill me I say Fuck em. Kill them all and let their blood soak in their sand, not in our fertile midwestern farmland or industrious city streets.

[bishop]

the war in iraq has CREATED new terrorists.. many of these foreign insurgents probably wouldn't have done anything had we chosen not to invade. they weren't al qaeda to begin with - they marched into iraq on their own free will. if you think that creating new terrorists is successful foreign policy...... well....

i smell a lot of racism in the second half of your post. doesn't dignify a response. racism offends me.

Racism???? That's rich. If someone decides to attack me do you really think I would care what race they belont to?

[Osborn F Enready]

Bishop, you are correct. I haven't seen anyone post it yet, other than I in another thread but the State Departments report that came out around the time of the 9-11 commission hearing was proven false today. They actually ran a "correction" in the network media. The report totally backed Bush's statements when it was released, saying terrorist incidents were down to the lowest levels since 1968! Today, that was proven to be off by OVER 100%.

As the records show now, this has been the worst past two years in our history, I believe.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...sa_terrorism_dc

Sad.... really sad when people work this hard to cover up the truth, and people STILL rally around the charade like it is some kind of circus....

[bishop]

over 100% for real...

i remember when bush jumped all over that initial report like it was a life preserver in the middle of the ocean.

as time passes, the stink of the bullshit seems to become more pungent.

I don't dispute these numbers, but I would like to know what exactly is considered a terrorist attack. It seems that the definition of a terrorist has been expanded thanks in part to the Patriot Act.

[Osborn F Enready]

I would agree, and I am sure Bush will do all he can to use that as a crutch. The whole point is, add up the cover-ups, the lies, the facts that are being revealed piecemeal EVERYDAY anymore. This whole administration has been a mess, and it has a lot more to answer for than they even attempt to bring light to in the media.

The whole point is, Patriot Act, unconstitutional.

War, being proven more false everyday, as more of our young men die in a battle that has no merit, no justification, no glaring beacon of design and intrest of the nation being "liberated".

Pulling at straws, that is what this administration is doing.

[bishop]

funny enough, as these new facts of bullshit are learned, the bush supporters blame the media for all of bush's woes.. surely, none of his lies have anything to do with anything.

*rolls eyes*

they are clearly on the defensive, and so are their supporters. the last time the bush people were on the offensive was before this bogus war.

[Osborn F Enready]

Bishop, the scariest thing to me is one simple fact. I didn't politically wake up until the last 5 years or so. I did not SEEK to become a conspiracy theorist, I just read a LOT of information. The more I read, and the more I try to find news, the more of this theory comes out as being true.

10 years ago, who would have believed it if people were "En Masse" saying that our country had links to the Nazis DURING the World War II? Now it is actually going in to a courtroom! There has been so much digging for truth, and it has been aided by the last form of unregulated media left in the world....the internet.

By the time November gets here, the political hype, tension, and downright tactics are going to be absolutely the most disgraceful our nation has ever seen, regardless the outcome. It will be a year of cover-ups, or uncovering lies, and deceit from several years of corrupt officials at the head of the ship, and in all of its workings.

I never, have been so scared by the truth in my life, but no matter the cost, we cannot live a lie. If we are too maintain any respect in the world, let alone our citizenry, we must uncover, expose and FIX all of the problems.