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Old Sep 1, 2007, 12:08 pm   #1 (permalink) (top)
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The genocide that inspired Hitler.

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When the Turkish gendarmes came for Mugrditch Nazarian, they did not give him time to dress, but took him from his home in the dead of night in his pyjamas.
The year was 1915, and his wife, Varter, knew that she was unlikely to see her husband alive again. Armenian men like him were being rounded up and taken away. In the words of their persecutors, they were being "deported" - but not to an earthly place.

Varter never found out what fate her husband suffered. Some said he was shot, others that he was among the men held in jail, who suffered torture so unbearable that they poured the kerosene from prison lamps over their heads and turned themselves into human pyres as a release from the agony.

Heavily pregnant, Varter was ordered to join a death convoy marching women and children to desert concentration camps.
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So how exactly did the events of 1915-17 unfold? Just as Hitler wanted a Nazi-dominated world that would be Judenrein - cleansed of its Jews - so in 1914 the Ottoman Empire wanted to construct a Muslim empire that would stretch from Istanbul to Manchuria.
The forgotten Holocaust: The Armenian massacre that inspired Hitler | the Daily Mail
Turkey still didn't want to recognise Armenian Genocide.
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Forgotten holocaust? I know about it.
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Old Sep 1, 2007, 02:51 pm   #3 (permalink) (top)
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Hitler also admired the U.S.'s treatment of the Native americans in the 19th century, but what's your point, shrike? I think that the U.S. should recognize what happened to the American Indian as some sort of genocide if the Turks have to face their past.


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Old Sep 1, 2007, 03:03 pm   #4 (permalink) (top)
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Hitler also admired the U.S.'s treatment of the Native americans
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I think that the U.S. should recognize what happened to the American Indian as some sort of genocide if the Turks have to face their past.
Two wrongs don't make it right anyway allow me to ask you this:
Was it genocide at the same scale.Was it systimatic?
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Old Sep 1, 2007, 03:26 pm   #5 (permalink) (top)
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"Hitler's concept of concentration camps as well as the practicality of genocide owed much, so he claimed, to his studies of English and United States history. He admired the camps for Boer prisoners in South Africa and for the Indians in the wild west; and often praised to his inner circle the efficiency of America's extermination - by starvation and uneven combat - of the red savages who could not be tamed by captivity."
P. 202, "Adolph Hitler" by John Toland

That's from a book, I couldn't find an e-version, but it's better than some blog article.

I think that in many cases the war against the Indian was carried out as systematically as that against the armenians, we even had our own manifest destiny to take the place of the Turk's dreams of empire. I'm not usually one to hate on the U.S. on this topic, for intance the people who insist that the entire colonization was some sort of conspiracy to wipe out the natives, and that the colonists planned for smallpox and directed it or something, but I do think it counts every much as genocide as the armenian example, and I don't see why it needs to be intentional, you can commit homocide without intending to, why not genocide?


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