Paul Johnson Decapitated by Al-Quaeda

[Mia]

Still waiting for a real post from Truth - why didn't he leave with URnotME?

Truth, please see the "I know you are, but what am I?" thread.

This whole thread is stupid actually.

Of course the beheading was terrible. What is there to say about it, seriously?

If we devote a thread to every death due to the war in here, we would talk about nothing else.

There wasn't anything debateable brought up in the start of this one.

The action was heinous, committed by psychopaths who believe we are all infidels and deserve to die no matter what.

THEY need to all die.

End of story!! :-)

[dannyp]

Originally posted by Truth, Oh yes, George and Jeb are personally beheading prisoners, stabbing them in the eye, burning them alive and dragging their charred carcus through the streets. :rolleyes:

do you see him personally preventing beheading of prisoners? do you see him personally doing anything substantially beneficial to the united states?

of course he's not beheading them directly. he's the president. but you don't think the president has the influence to create a situation where someone is beheaded? i fuckin' do. in fact, i can imagine a situation where many hundreds of thousands of people can die, by influence from that president. you don't think this is possible?

Originally posted by Mia, Still waiting for a real post from Truth - why didn't he leave with URnotME? Truth, please see the "I know you are, but what am I?" thread. This whole thread is stupid actually. Of course the beheading was terrible. What is there to say about it, seriously? If we devote a thread to every death due to the war in here, we would talk about nothing else. There wasn't anything debateable brought up in the start of this one. The action was heinous, committed by psychopaths who believe we are all infidels and deserve to die no matter what. THEY need to all die. End of story!! :-)

I didn't start this thread, I am just as entitled to be here as you and for some reason you can't get over URnotmeRU, try, it's not that hard, really.

I have posted facts and sources that have been ignored completely so where you get this arrogance to say "I'm waiting for a real post from truth" is beyond me, I guess this post of yours is real substance as long as it comes from your camp, right Mia? Why did you even get involved?

If we devote every death due to war? So I wont need to read about the poor prisoners who lives are still in tact then, right? What a slap in the face, Mia.

They all need to die? Uh huh, and if our military does anything as you and DannyP suggest, there will be nothing but bitching and complaining from the anti American administration camp on this forum. I would understand your constant brow beating and self elected perfectionist as master of all debate and forum ettiquette if you didn't do just what you complain about while complaining about it, and watch your buddies do it and say NOTHING.

That it, end of story for me too, Mia.

[sixmillman]

dannyp

do you see him personally doing anything substantially beneficial to the united states?

Well yes I do

of course he's not beheading them directly. he's the president. but you don't think the president has the influence to create a situation where someone is beheaded? i fuckin' do. in fact, i can imagine a situation where many hundreds of thousands of people can die, by influence from that president. you don't think this is possible?

Sure Osama didn't actually fly the planes or ride the trains. What's your point?

Of course the beheading was terrible. What is there to say about it, seriously?

Their is going to be quite alot to say about it actually. It is a "tipping point" for the converging and conflicting intersts in a vast array of things in Saudi Arabia. This "event" has set into motion substantial changes and altered the "facts on the ground"
Lest we forget that the 9-11 hijackers were Saudi. That Saudi money has fueled Al-Queda. That there was an unstood agreement that Al-Queda would not attack "The Kingdom". Al-Queda has now nullified that agreement. How strongly will The House of Saud respond?
To what lengths will Al-Queda, estimated to have over 40% support in Saudia Arabia, go to overthrow their "King".
And you have to love this the New York times describes Paul Johnson's murderers as "Al-Queda millitants as if there was some other kind. Are they expecting to find Al-queda moderates?

[giuliano]

would the overthrow of the House of Saud be a bad thing?

just becuase al qaeda are pushing for it doesn't automatically make it an unjust cause.

[sixmillman]

It does in my mind. We cannot allow an organization that has sworn to our destruction control of 20% of the world’s oil supply. Sorry ain't going to happen.

[giuliano]

basically what you're saying is that the entire country including its population exists to feed american (and western) cars and machinery.

their system of govt is determined by its convenience to US energy needs. that's obscene isn't it?

[sixmillman]

No

[giuliano]

interesting point of view. i do think it is obscene

[sixmillman]

I'm afraid Australia faces the same issue. Do you favor giving all of Austraila back to the Aboriginies. Would you suggest the US give control of North America back to over 2700 tribes of Native Americans.
And if we get into that line of reasoning Should everybody return to there ancesterol homeland. And if that is the case what year should we use as a benchmark. Africa is going to get awfully crowded.

[giuliano]

you've lost me.

i thought we were talking about manipulating the saudi govt to assure oil supply to the US and the west? what does that have to do with native title?

[sixmillman]

The House of Saud are the native "owners" of Saudia Arabia you said

basically what you're saying is that the entire country including its population exists to feed american (and western) cars and machinery.

If you were saying that our manipulation of Saudi nationals in order to monopolize their natural resources is something that needs to be stoped because it is wrong I was pointing out that Humans have a long history of doing just that. Western Europeans have exerted a heavy hand for about 1,000 years on "native" populations. Its a little late doncha think to turn the world around.

[Comrade]

Guilano, what is with this craze of America as the world policeman, responsible for the well-being of every human on the planet?
America as a country has interests, and it is going to serve those interests. Also, because of the nature of America, it is generally going to be fairly benign, until threatened.
You realize that our policy to, not just nuclear attack, but nuclear blackmail by the Soviet Union (do this or we nuke you), just the THREAT, was nuclear saturation bombing (I'm not going to write an essay about deterrence)? That is what the Cuban Missile Crisis was all about.

We are involved in the Middle East because it is beneficial to us. It also happens to be quite beneficial to the Middle East, but we were willing to let the ME be until we were attacked. Same with the vast majority of threats in our history, and the same with all countries in the history of the world.

[dotcoma]

Originally posted by Truth, Oh yes, George and Jeb are personally beheading prisoners, stabbing them in the eye, burning them alive and dragging their charred carcus through the streets.

No. You're right. They don't have to. Neither did Charlie Manson.

[sixmillman]

roxdog

Oh yes, George and Jeb are personally beheading prisoners, stabbing them in the eye, burning them alive and dragging their charred carcus through the streets.

No. You're right. They don't have to. Neither did Charlie Manson.

Osama didn't actually fly the planes or ride the trains. What's your point? George Bush is the same as Charles Manson?
George Bush is the same as Osama
George Bush is the same as Saadam
George Bush is the same as Hitler
George Bush is the Anti-Christ
America is just as corrupt if not more than the rest of the world?
Is that what you want everybody to believe?
Is that what you believe?

[dotcoma]

George Bush is the same as Osama George Bush is the same as Saadam George Bush is the same as Hitler George Bush is the Anti-Christ

Yes, this is exactly what I'm saying. :rolleyes: Do you guys seriously only see two sides of everything (and usually cling to one side or the other)? Do you guys seriously believe the media. DId you watch the 9/11 commission? It was a f&cking dog and pony show! Have you ever bothered to even think about the possibility that 9/11 was something completely different than what we've been led to believe? A SEA of evidence ranging from demolitions in building 7, fake bin Laden tapes, the steel the from the biulding being shipped and melted in China without inspections by ANYONE outside of FEMA? THe governmnet is arresting people with connections to "al qaeda"...NO ONE HAS MORE CONNECTIONS TO AL QAEDA THAN THE CIA AND THE BUSH FAMILY! NO ONE!

[sixmillman]

Yes I have seen those web sites. No I don't believe them to be acurate. Yes the commision was a dog and poney show. But what they were covering up was not the fantasy that you describe. It was the sheer incompetance of the CIA and FBI and our political "leaders" that was being covered up Not their capacity to comit evil

[dotcoma]

Yes I have seen those web sites

Which web sites?

No I don't believe them to be acurate

Don't believe what to be accurate?

It was the sheer incompetance of the CIA and FBI and our political "leaders" that was being covered up

That's what they have told us yes. And now you're repeating it.

Not their capacity to comit evil

Yeah, because we're the good guys, right? Always? Right? We didn't fund Hitler or Mao right? We didn't train the Iraqi Republican Guard at the School of the Americas correct? We didn't bring any Nazis over here after WWII, correct? FEMA didn't lie when they told us builing 7 collapsed due to fire , correct? They must have just forgotten to bring that up at the commission, right?

[Sonart]

I'm with you, Giuliano. I didn't sign on to be part of the Roman Empire either.

These guys love to talk about human rights and the glories democracy, but the bottom line is it's real politic all the way, isn't it.

[giuliano]

Originally posted by Comrade, We are involved in the Middle East because it is beneficial to us. It also happens to be quite beneficial to the Middle East, but we were willing to let the ME be until we were attacked. Same with the vast majority of threats in our history, and the same with all countries in the history of the world.

why can't you call it imperialism? what is it with dubya denying that word until he's blue in the face. what you've described is imperialism.

secondly it's highly inaccurate to say you let the ME be until recently. the US has had a heavy involvement there for some time, going back to installing the shah of iran, arming israel and abetting its military aggression in the region, silently supporting the saudi regime, backing saddam and supplying him with WMD capabilities, arming egypt to keep their moderate govt in power, bombing sudan.

if that's not being involved in the ME, i hate to see what is..