Communism & Hitler

[arclight]

Communism!!!
The only way communism will ever work is if people were created with equal ability. This never being the case, we can only hope for equal rights, to explore our INDIVIDUAL talents and interests. The ignorance of the undeniable and irreplacable human instinct of acting in ones self interest and the economic principle of scarcity is the only way communism is logical, even on paper. And that is still a far cry from reality. Good luck with the communism though, it's good to be reminded every once in a while why some people are sucessful in life and others call themselves academics.

[castille]

We can create people with equal ability. Adolf Hitler almost did.

The steps to creating an equal society are simple:

1) Make sure everyone is the same genetically. Clones.
2) End family and birth. Breed people from vats. Raise children in special facilities that give everyone equal education.
3) End the monetary system. Everyone works the same hours, has the same job, etc. Nobody can be inequal.
4) Eliminate those who become too successful or fall behind. Adolf Hitler did one (eliminate the low), Communism has to eliminate both (low/high factor scales).

[ComradeRed]

It's disgusting that you compare Hitler with Communists, he was a capitalist you know[1].

the undeniable and irreplacable human instinct of acting in ones self interest

The old human nature arguement, eh?

Castille, your take of communism is disgusting. Don't confuse it with Nazism[2]

[bishop]

hitler was an authoritarian fascist.

[Lunaris]

Hitler was a National Socialist, meaning full blown socialism for the German nation, and only his version of it - i.e not including Jews, Disabled etc.

He was not a capitalist, easy example: how many people he employed under the state. Communism and Nazism are similar in many ways. They are both forms of collective thought or tribalism, and both ended in horrific failure and caused horrendous atrocities. They also share another characteristic, both are entwined with anti-semitism, and before you jump on me with 'but trotsky was a Jew' look at Marx's own anti-semitic writings, or Stalin's discriminatory murders. Both also impoversihed all the countries that adopted them and both were defeated by relatively liberal (free) capitalism.

[dotcoma]

Don't be confused by isms. It's all command and control.

[ComradeRed]

Hitler was a National Socialist, meaning full blown socialism for the German nation, and only his version of it - i.e not including Jews, Disabled etc.

Hitler was a fascist. He was right wing, I'd hate to tell you.

Originally posted by http://www.auschwitz.dk/bullseye/new_page_3.htm Nazi is a short term for the National Socialist German Workers Party, a right-wing political party formed in 1919 primarily by unemployed German veterans of World War 1. Adolf Hitler became head of the party in 1921, and under his leadership the party eventually became a powerful political force in German elections by the early 1930's. The Nazi party ideology was largely based on nationalism and racism. They promoted Germany as superior to all other nations and promised to restore it to greatness, while championing a scientific theory of racism, in which the Aryan (German) people were racially superior to all others. In 1933, Hitler assumed power in Germany and he ended German democracy and severely restricted basic rights, such as freedom of speech, press, and assembly. He established a brutal dictatorship through a reign of terror.

He was not a capitalist, easy example: how many people he employed under the state.

The US has public projects too, those workers are employed by the state, does that make the US a socialist nation? No, it is still capitalist.

Communism and Nazism are similar in many ways. They are both forms of collective thought or tribalism, and both ended in horrific failure and caused horrendous atrocities. They also share another characteristic, both are entwined with anti-semitism, and before you jump on me with 'but trotsky was a Jew' look at Marx's own anti-semitic writings, or Stalin's discriminatory murders.

Republicans are more like Nazis. Nazis weren't collective, they were the "vanguard" of individualism.

Marx was a Jew too! That is why Hitler had the socialists killed, because socialism was part of the "jewish conspiracy". Stalin was a terrible person, most real communists acknoweldge this![1]

Both also impoversihed all the countries that adopted them and both were defeated by relatively liberal (free) capitalism.

Really? The socialist attempts in Russia and China modernized backeward nations into industrialized societies!

Nazism, I cannot speak for. It was a perverted form of capitalism that oppressed and exploited too many people.

[dotcoma]

Don't be confused by isms. It's all command and control.

[ComradeRed]

Don't be confused by isms. It's all command and control.

What about anarchism?

[dotcoma]

In it's current form? Yes. People that claim to be "anarchists" are usually communist and they don't even realize it. Anarchism is a pretty ambiguous term.

[Sodfather]

Originally posted by ComradeRed, Castille, your take of communism is disgusting.

Disgusting indeed. Not only is it la laughable argument from a humanitarian standpoint, but also from a logical standpoint. Believing humans to be able to be molded into indentically-thinking, -feeling, and -acting beings is just as bad as believing that twins who go to the same gradeschool will be intellectually identical in their freshman year of high school. The human mind is too curious to prevent from wandering, even if you alter language to omit rebellious ideas like Newspeak and such.

[castille]

The only way to achieve equality is to exterminate those who tread outside of the acceptable norm. Communism is about equality, non?

The human mind is too curious to prevent from wandering, even if you alter language to omit rebellious ideas like Newspeak and such.

They all say that - until we being out the medical gloves and torture chambers. There is a good reason why the KGB was one of the world's most effective defenders of Communism

[G. Adams]

Havn't we been through this point before? National Socialism is "social" but is not a branch or connected with socialism. Socialism espouses international worker solidarity, advance through co-operation not conflict, equality of value and oppurtunity. Socialism is an overarching term to cover many idealogies, just as Conservatism houses many threads within it. Communism is one, that aims to achieve a utopia based upon said values by initial centralisation following revolution (either peaceful or violent) until a time when it is possible to transfer power to the people. The problem as always is that if you concentrate power in a single person or body, it will not give it up easily.

In opposition to these values, National Socialism espouses the leader principle, cult of personality, will and emotion over logic and rationality, supremacy of the state and more. These are in opposition to any socialist principles. However it would be wrong to claim National Socialism as capitalist as well. The only real value in National Socialism is the will to power, the will to do anything and everything to accumulate power. And as such, National Socialists will appeal to capitalists (we'll crush the communists!) or the workers (look at the imagery of the noble peasent in Nazi Germany, not to mention the promise of jobs) depending on who will serve them best.

And all anarchism means is the supremacy of the individual in all ways, which in effect means no government. Anarchists split on how we would be able to function in such a society, into left and right wing anarchists. Left-wing anarchists imagine creating the socialist utopia but without a government or vanguard party guiding them, but with people organising themselves in human scale communities. Right-wing anarchists (although this has subgroups of it's own) argue that people don't need even this level of organisation, and the only relationship between people neccesary is trade and sex.

See, it's easy now isn't it? Stop trying to link one ideology to another in order to dirty it's principles. It just confuses people, as the continued belief that Nazism has anything to do with Socialism proves. Especially when people eventually find the glaring flaws, such as the term National Socialism being an oxymoron shows.

[samsara15]

Socialism does not have to endorse murder. But gross inequality is built into unfettered capitalism. Fetter capitalism, and it becomes acceptable. No form of government is ideal. Idealism is the most dangerous ism, paragmatism the best.

[Johnny Rebel]

Hitler believed the 'social progression' of the collective Nationalist German/Aryan identity with an authoritarian theological government that demands all the greatest devotion of it's citizens and a one race/culture empire.

What's wrong with accusation that Communism is an essentially Jewish idea? Marx was a Jew, Lenin was a Jew, Stalin was half Jewish. Hitler's belief that Jews were not only a religon but a race as well, and if you look at the composition of the upper ranks of the russian communist proleriat, many of them of were Jewish, from a strictly racial perspective. He believed racial and cultural recognition (Nationalism) were the only way for a nation to achieve prosperity and that both Communism and Capitalism had not done this because Communism had allowed Jews to reign in the proleriat over the downtrodden worker class, and that Capitalism had been infiltrated by Jews who used free enterprise to only help out Jews (Jews only hiring Jews, and living in their isolated communities).

[G. Adams]

What is wrong with calling communism an essentially Jewish idea is because it is inaccurate. To call somethinga Jewish idea would be to suggest it is linked to the Jewish people, rather than to a handful of Jews involved in the communist movement. Their are millions of none Jewish communists around the world, and many more none Jewish communist thinkers than Jewish ones throughout history.

Communism was born out of the French Revolution, with some revolutionaries believing that the poor had been cheated out of equality, even though that was second principle the revolution was fought for.

It is odd how some people can accuse Jews of being behind both the heights of capitalism and the heights of communism, without a shred of irony in their words.

[Johnny Rebel]

No there isn't and I was arguing from Hitler's point of view. According to Hitler Jews were parasitical and culture destroyers, they favored no one government as a whole but any government that would allow them to come into power, so no it isn't ironic (read Mein Kampf).

The majority of Russian Romanov Monarch times Jews (from a racial perspective) backed the Communists heavily, and most of the Bolsheviks were Jews. And what about forefront Commys Marx, Lenin, and Stalin?

[Osborn F Enready]

Communism is a subversion of Socialism. I feel Socialism is a noble "idea" or "theory", but as of now the only working models are still being trialed by fire.

The important thing to know though, is this fact. Communism is based on the REMOVAL of ALL CONCEPTS of private property, therefore there could be no "RIGHTS" in a system like that, as you would not even "technically" own yourself. It is the opposite of our system, in all aspects of property, and would only be POSSIBLE if there were no rights, which is part of my theory on why they are so hard at subverting the constitution.

Welfare
Public Education
Social Security
Unemployment
THE ENTIRE "NEW DEAL" was based on the original title "NEW SOCIALISM" which was becoming popular in the mid to late 1900's. All of these things are attempts to subvert our system, and it was a way to provide hope, when they removed our gold, created the Federal (lol) Reserve, and shortly after recalled all gold and silver certificates.

That money in your pocket, is built on a false backed fiat, of almost no worth, should this system be called on for its backing, and more and more foreign investors are buying in to our land, our business, our lives as we slowly become outsourced, and globalized in the preparation for the New World Order, which spawns right from the New Deal.... Socialism, on a global scale.

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[Suburbanite]

How the hell is it that every time Hitler is mentioned it is only SECONDS before you hear the word Jew. It gets annoying, there was a lot more to Germany than the fucking holocaust.

[Osborn F Enready]

I agree. There was a lot more that led to the holocaust, than most people know, and it is a shame more independent reporters aren't uncovering a lot of the truly interesting evidence,that has been left undisturbed for so long. Something tells me, the holocaust will still be a black eye for Germany for a long time, since there are so many questions still unanswered.