A Reminder: The US Helped Arm Iraq

[Chancellor]

Well, he got caught in his first one, and he made a second one, and so on.

It is the nature of politicians to lie: why would you be surprised when the current politician in the White House lied?

[Muckraker]

Better yet:

washingtonpost.com

Apparently we "lost track" of 30% of the military assault rifles we sent that were intended to bolster the Iraqi security forces.

[Milton Bradley]

A Reminder: The US Helped Arm Iraq

A reminder, the US toppled Irans legitimate government in the 1950's.

[Athena]

Agreed, but we were talking about Iraq and Saddam, not Al Queida or CentCom, Athena, though we do seem to arm our future enemies a lot.

Sorry I am so dull headed, but how is Iraq separate from the rest? We armed these countries, escallating the likelihood of war, and the destructive potential of all wars. We especially armed Israel, you know, that country that seems to be the center of much of the conflict? For sure we armed Iraq in hopes it would take out Iran, but we were on very good terms with Iran, until Carter, whom I love, made bad decisions regarding Iran, backing a brutal dictator who was over thrown, as we were hoping the people in Iraq, especially the Kurds, would over thrown Saddam.

Our CIA is crawling all over these countries trying to malnipulate politics in these countries, while the US supplies arms to the people the CIA tries to incite to war. Want sense does it make to separate out one country as though what is happening isn't about what the US has been doing in these countries for many years? Isn't that a distortion of truth?
It is like making a big issue over one pimple, when the cause of the pimple is acne.

[Athena]

A reminder, the US toppled Irans legitimate government in the 1950's.

Thanks Milton, and here is a link to explain what you are talking about,

PDF] Politics, Power, and U.S. Policy in Iran, 1950-1953 by Francis J ...File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
Politics, Power, and U.S. Policy in Iran, 1950-1953. 1. by Francis J. Gavin. On 19 August 1953, elements of the Iranian army, acting on orders from the Shah ...
www.fas.harvard.edu/~hpcws/gavin.pdf - Similar pages

Sorry I can't copy and paste this page, folks.

We got in good with Iran by defending it against Britian, and Iran trusted the US, until it became evident we wanted to replace Britian in the region, not liberate everyone. I think the truth makes Bin Laden look like the good guy, because the truth is, we are not involved to liberate people, we are involved to control resources. Arabs know this, and it is embarrassing that US citizens do not. It is this kind of leadership that gets people into wars, not that people in one country are good and in other countries are evil. Eisenhower said people, the common people in all countries, must figure out how to achieve a peace and stop relying their governments that bring them to war. The US government has contributed more to war in the mid east with hopes of gaining control, than any other country.

What is happening was not started by Bush, but Bush sure as blazes is support the spirit of war.

[Gods_Mercenary]

Sorry I am so dull headed, but how is Iraq separate from the rest? We armed these countries, escallating the likelihood of war, and the destructive potential of all wars. We especially armed Israel, you know, that country that seems to be the center of much of the conflict? For sure we armed Iraq in hopes it would take out Iran, but we were on very good terms with Iran, until Carter, whom I love, made bad decisions regarding Iran, backing a brutal dictator who was over thrown, as we were hoping the people in Iraq, especially the Kurds, would over thrown Saddam.

Our CIA is crawling all over these countries trying to malnipulate politics in these countries, while the US supplies arms to the people the CIA tries to incite to war. Want sense does it make to separate out one country as though what is happening isn't about what the US has been doing in these countries for many years? Isn't that a distortion of truth?
It is like making a big issue over one pimple, when the cause of the pimple is acne.

Because this thread is about Iraq.

[Gods_Mercenary]

I wouldn't say Bin Laden's the good guy, he's still a religious fanatic who kills innocent people, but it reminds us that there are no good guys in international relations, just the one's whose success benefits you and the one's whose failure benefits you.

[grandpa]

I wouldn't say Bin Laden's the good guy, he's still
a religious fanatic who kills innocent people, but it reminds
us that there are no good guys in international relations,
just the one's whose success benefits you and the one's
whose failure benefits you.

There you go, telling it like it is again, yet you still apparently advocate the system. You should ask yourself if it really benefits you to define "success" along these lines.

Grandpa h.

[Gods_Mercenary]

There you go, telling it like it is again, yet you still apparently advocate the system. You should ask yourself if it really benefits you to define "success" along these lines.

Grandpa h.

Which system, I don't follow, governmental system, international relations in general? Success along wich lines? I wouldn't say I advocate anything, just recognize that that's the way it is and realize I'm not going to change anything.

[grandpa]

Which system, I don't follow, governmental system, international relations in general?
Success along wich lines?

The system you live under, which happens to be international. And you have defined success in numerous ways, most of which don't challenge authority. You keep arguing that state power is necessary for innovation, among other things.

Grandpa h.

[Gods_Mercenary]

The system you live under, which happens to be international. And you have defined success in numerous ways, most of which don't challenge authority. You keep arguing that state power is necessary for innovation, among other things.

Grandpa h.

No, one person can innovate alone, but without some sort of government to provide a measure of law, these people tend to be squashed by the mob, or the just plain bigger guy down the street. Innovation is also rarely an individual enterprise, it requires masses of people, a society, basically, and masses of people always need to be organised to do anything constructive, this is where government comes in. Where did I define success? success differs for different people, I can only define it for me, and my life goals do include not having terrorists blow me up, so therefore I err with the U.S. on this conflict (my goals also include not having a government invade my rights, but I'll take a little of this over Radical islamist jihad in my backyard.)

[shawmutt]

A nice timeline:

History of Iran: Arming Iraq: A Chronology of U.S. Involvement