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Technosoul · Aug 5, 2007, 09:46 pm

60 mins did a Q and A show on the governor of California concerning some of his poltical viewpoints, and motions are being made to allow him to run of the office of President. Whatcha think? Are we ready for a progressive Republican?

Arnold Schwarzenegger ...on 60 Minutes; Exclusive Video Only on Yahoo! News

Netopalis · Aug 5, 2007, 10:10 pm

To allow Ahnuld to run for President, we would need a constitutional amendment. This amendment would take several years to pass, and would certainly not be ratified in time for this election.

Even so, however, there is a very important reason for this constitutional rule - with the current illegal immigrant situation, the threat of a very large group of immigrants entering America and essentially attempting to replace all persons of power within the government with new immigrants is a serious problem. Therefore, I don't recommend that we make a constitutional amendment for one man to run for President when it could open the door to a multitude of problems.

The Decider · Aug 5, 2007, 10:25 pm

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Even so, however, there is a very important reason for this constitutional rule - with the current illegal immigrant situation, the threat of a very large group of immigrants entering America and essentially attempting to replace all persons of power within the government with new immigrants is a serious problem. Therefore, I don't recommend that we make a constitutional amendment for one man to run for President when it could open the door to a multitude of problems.

Huh? Only the president must be native born, Netopalis. Foreign-born immigrants can and have served in very high elective and appointed offices. Henry Kissinger, a native of Germany, served as Secretary of State. If hoards of immigrants planned to saturate our government, they would hardly need the presidency to start their campaign. They haven't.

That said, I don't support a constitutional amendment so that Ahnald can run. With 230 million people, America has an adequate pool of possible candidates already.

Netopalis · Aug 5, 2007, 11:49 pm

Oh, I realize this, and I don't believe that immigrants holding high positions is a bad thing - but the President does have a certain modicum of power; at least enough to slow down such an "invasion".

The Decider · Aug 6, 2007, 12:14 am

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Oh, I realize this, and I don't believe that immigrants holding high positions is a bad thing - but the President does have a certain modicum of power; at least enough to slow down such an "invasion".

What "invasion" are you talking about? Foreign born Americans can serve in almost every major federal job except for president and our nation has not seen anything close to an "immigrant invasion" in Washington DC high government positions. Why would a foreign born president trigger an "invasion" when none has happened despite ample opportunities to do so (in theory)? This slippery slope argument needs some lubrication.

Netopalis · Aug 6, 2007, 12:33 am

Oh, we haven't seen it yet - I'm just saying that the reason that the President can't be an immigrant is for this reason. It may never happen. However, I do think that we are more at risk now due to high rates of immigration, legal or otherwise. The reason this couldn't have happened earlier is because we simply did not have the sheer number of people coming across the border that we do now. However, I will admit that the risk of this happening is low. I still don't support a constitutional amendment to make way for one man, though.

tivodan1116 · Aug 6, 2007, 01:25 am

it is silly to go through the enormous cost and effort to amend the Constitution essentially for one person.

Besides, the stance on Presidents being born here is a wise one - we don't want our President to have divided loyalty. What if Austria become a rogue state and decided they were going to launch nuclear weapons at the United States unless we gave them $1 trillion in cash? Would Arnold be willing to wipe out his boyhood home? The fact that the question can be asked is the reason for the requirement.

SoylentGreen · Aug 6, 2007, 03:28 am

Wouldn't the job be more suited to an american born comedian actor rather than an Austrian action hero actor. Woody Allen comes to mind. or Robin William. Jim Carrey.

Technosoul · Aug 6, 2007, 09:29 am

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Wouldn't the job be more suited to an american born comedian actor rather than an Austrian action hero actor. Woody Allen comes to mind. or Robin William. Jim Carrey.

He also did comedy roles, but this is not about voting for people on the grounds of their acting ability.

**Jack** · Aug 6, 2007, 10:10 am

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Wouldn't the job be more suited to an american born comedian actor rather than an Austrian action hero actor.

Absolutely. Jon Stewart for President!

Gods_Mercenary · Aug 6, 2007, 10:17 am

Naw, I like Colbert, though Stewart would be the first Jewish president, we've already had an Irish-Catholic.

tivodan1116 · Aug 6, 2007, 10:42 am

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Wouldn't the job be more suited to an american born comedian actor rather than an Austrian action hero actor. Woody Allen comes to mind. or Robin William. Jim Carrey.

What about radio hosts? I say Cumia/Hughes 2008! (Jim Norton for Sec'y of State)

LadiesMan217 · Aug 6, 2007, 01:10 pm

Arnold has been a pretty decent governor and probably would do a decent job at president too considering he has views that liberals and conservatives can identify with, but I do not endorse changing the Constitution for any foreign born citizen to be president no matter who they are. It is in place for good reason and the damage that it could cause in the future trumps the 4-8 years of having a president we like that may or may not do a good job.

Technosoul · Aug 6, 2007, 03:16 pm

Well, most agree then that actors and entertainment personalities should be allowed to be a president even if we must admend the rules so that forien actors can get into the White House desk. That would reduce the number of poltical people seeking office which might be to our advantage no doubt. Also with Canada in charge we could have universal health care and with a merger we would have lots of "national wildlife areas" to boast about.

Hmm, I just noticed my nickname is hogging up this whole forum. I should take Bushes advice and "give 'em a break".

Aug 5, 2007, 09:46 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
Technosoul Volcanic Erupter Posts: 8,663	Arnold Schwarzennegger for President? 60 mins did a Q and A show on the governor of California concerning some of his poltical viewpoints, and motions are being made to allow him to run of the office of President. Whatcha think? Are we ready for a progressive Republican? Arnold Schwarzenegger ...on 60 Minutes; Exclusive Video Only on Yahoo! News

Aug 6, 2007, 01:25 am	#7 (permalink) (top)
tivodan1116 Juris Doctor Location: Brockport, NY Posts: 2,166	it is silly to go through the enormous cost and effort to amend the Constitution essentially for one person. Besides, the stance on Presidents being born here is a wise one - we don't want our President to have divided loyalty. What if Austria become a rogue state and decided they were going to launch nuclear weapons at the United States unless we gave them $1 trillion in cash? Would Arnold be willing to wipe out his boyhood home? The fact that the question can be asked is the reason for the requirement. "But it wasn't until he met his beautiful wife that he learned using logic and reason isn't enough. You have to be a dick to everyone who doesn't think like you." - South Park on Richard Dawkins

Aug 6, 2007, 10:17 am	#11 (permalink) (top)
Gods_Mercenary Altruism Assassin Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,286	Naw, I like Colbert, though Stewart would be the first Jewish president, we've already had an Irish-Catholic. “Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.” -Albert Einstein

Aug 6, 2007, 01:10 pm	#13 (permalink) (top)
LadiesMan217 MoreThanMeetsTheEye Location: Earth, Solar System Posts: 464	Arnold has been a pretty decent governor and probably would do a decent job at president too considering he has views that liberals and conservatives can identify with, but I do not endorse changing the Constitution for any foreign born citizen to be president no matter who they are. It is in place for good reason and the damage that it could cause in the future trumps the 4-8 years of having a president we like that may or may not do a good job. No sacrifice, No victory

Aug 5, 2007, 10:10 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
Netopalis Peculiar. Location: Bluefield, WV Posts: 179	To allow Ahnuld to run for President, we would need a constitutional amendment. This amendment would take several years to pass, and would certainly not be ratified in time for this election. Even so, however, there is a very important reason for this constitutional rule - with the current illegal immigrant situation, the threat of a very large group of immigrants entering America and essentially attempting to replace all persons of power within the government with new immigrants is a serious problem. Therefore, I don't recommend that we make a constitutional amendment for one man to run for President when it could open the door to a multitude of problems.

Aug 5, 2007, 11:49 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
Netopalis Peculiar. Location: Bluefield, WV Posts: 179	Oh, I realize this, and I don't believe that immigrants holding high positions is a bad thing - but the President does have a certain modicum of power; at least enough to slow down such an "invasion".

Aug 6, 2007, 12:33 am	#6 (permalink) (top)
Netopalis Peculiar. Location: Bluefield, WV Posts: 179	Oh, we haven't seen it yet - I'm just saying that the reason that the President can't be an immigrant is for this reason. It may never happen. However, I do think that we are more at risk now due to high rates of immigration, legal or otherwise. The reason this couldn't have happened earlier is because we simply did not have the sheer number of people coming across the border that we do now. However, I will admit that the risk of this happening is low. I still don't support a constitutional amendment to make way for one man, though.

Aug 6, 2007, 03:28 am	#8 (permalink) (top)
SoylentGreen Volcanic Erupter Posts: 2,866	Wouldn't the job be more suited to an american born comedian actor rather than an Austrian action hero actor. Woody Allen comes to mind. or Robin William. Jim Carrey.

Aug 6, 2007, 03:16 pm	#14 (permalink) (top)
Technosoul Volcanic Erupter Posts: 8,663	Well, most agree then that actors and entertainment personalities should be allowed to be a president even if we must admend the rules so that forien actors can get into the White House desk. That would reduce the number of poltical people seeking office which might be to our advantage no doubt. Also with Canada in charge we could have universal health care and with a merger we would have lots of "national wildlife areas" to boast about. Hmm, I just noticed my nickname is hogging up this whole forum. I should take Bushes advice and "give 'em a break".