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Old Aug 3, 2007, 02:59 pm   #1 (permalink) (top)
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Ignatieff says supporting Iraq war was a mistake:



CTV.ca | Ignatieff says supporting Iraq war was a mistake

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Supporting the war in Iraq was a mistake, Liberal MP Michael Ignatieff has written in an article for the New York Times Magazine.

In an article set to appear Sunday, the former Liberal leadership hopeful talked about the situation in Iraq.

"The unfolding catastrophe in Iraq has condemned the political judgment of a president," Ignatieff writes in a reference to U.S. President George Bush.


"But it has also condemned the judgment of many others, myself included, who as commentators supported the invasion."

Ignatieff said he started supporting the war after speaking with an Iraqi friend who told him freedom in the country could only come once Saddam Hussein was ousted and his regime came to an end.

"How distant a dream that now seems," he wrote.

In the article, Ignatieff also criticized Bush for not being self-critical.

"Good judgment in politics, it turns out, depends on being a critical judge of yourself," Ignatieff writes. "It was not merely that the president did not take the care to understand Iraq. He also did not take care to understand himself."


Ignatieff's support of the war haunted him throughout his leadership bid last year. He was attacked during one of the leadership debates for supporting Bush and his policies.

When the Iraq issue was raised at the debate, Ignatieff acknowledged that his support for the Kurds and Shia in Iraq is longstanding, since spending time with them in Iraq in 1992, when Saddam Hussein was in power.

But during the debate and throughout the campaign, the former Harvard University professor tried to distance himself from Bush and his foreign policies.

"I don't stand with George Bush. I stand with the independence and freedom of the Kurdish and Shia people and believe that one day they will push this country out of the ditch," he said during the debate.

On Dec. 2, 2006, Ignatieff lost the bid to current Liberal leader Stéphane Dion. He currently represents the Etobicoke-Lakeshore riding in the Toronto-area.

There have since been rumours about possible successors to Dion.

Ignatieff and his aides wouldn't discuss the article, The Canadian Press reported.

This isn't the first time Ignatieff has backed away from his earlier support for the Iraq war.

In March 2004 he wrote an article for the New York Times Magazine, "The Year of Living Dangerously," on the first anniversary of the invasion:

"So I supported an administration whose intentions I didn't trust, believing that the consequences would repay the gamble. Now I realize that intentions do shape consequences. An administration that cared more genuinely about human rights would have understood that you can't have human rights without order and that you can't have order once victory is won if planning for an invasion is divorced from planning for an occupation."

Then in October 2006, in the midst of his campaign for leadership, he told The Globe and Mail his support of Iraq was based on mistakenly having faith in the Americans.

"(I take) full responsibility for not having anticipated how incompetent the Americans would be. I don't have remaining confidence in the Americans," he said. "The Bush operation in Iraq betrayed any hopes I had of Iraq transitioning to a stable political elite, and now all those hopes rest with my friends, the Iraqi political elite."
I bring this up mainly in regards to this thread:

The next 9/11--will the world care?

For those who wish to know who this guy is, he's was the equivilant of a democrat canidate who fought to be leader of the party, but lost mainly due to his past support on Iraq.....

Besides that blunder of his, I always considdered him one of the best to lead the LIberals.... although I hate the liberals due to past screwups.

But because of him loosing, now there's Dion who's the leader.... what a chump he is....

But in relation to the thread linked above, it's showing not just personal civilian opinions on the actions after 9/11.... but also the effects in other governments, those in them and how they have changed their views and trust since 9/11.
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Old Aug 4, 2007, 07:46 am   #2 (permalink) (top)
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... lost mainly due to his past support on Iraq.....
Source? Does anyone seriously believe this?
Wasn't it rather due to that treacherous scumbag Bob Rae?

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I hate the liberals due to past screwups.
So who do you vote for, Prax?

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Quote by: Frank Underhill, when asked how he could vote Liberal
I just hold my nose and mark the ballot.
Anyway, I'm glad that Iggy has finally woken up and smelled the coffee.

I see from Ig's identification in the magazine piece that he's deputy Liberal leader. A rookie MP deputy leader. What's the world coming to?


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Old Aug 4, 2007, 03:48 pm   #3 (permalink) (top)
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Source? Does anyone seriously believe this?
Wasn't it rather due to that treacherous scumbag Bob Rae?
Just the local opinion in where I live... just watching it, in comparison he was the cloest resembalance to Bush (Even the photo above) nobody wants to come close

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So who do you vote for, Prax?
The last vote apparently didn't do anything..... it all depends on the time, who makes the most sense.... I don't stick with one party, because they're not all perfect all the time.... that's for sure.
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Old Aug 4, 2007, 03:52 pm   #4 (permalink) (top)
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And check out those creepy disembodied fingers on his right shoulder.:)


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And check out those creepy disembodied fingers on his right shoulder.:)
lol.... yeah, he does have the fuzzy people around him, he's got that scrunchy evil smile, the haircuts almost the same..... *shudders*
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Old Aug 5, 2007, 03:03 pm   #6 (permalink) (top)
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That said, I don't think Iggy's that bad a guy at all. Not a big election-winner for the Libs, mind you, but is You-Know-Who?

Whither Canada, as ever.


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