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Technosoul · Jul 30, 2007, 07:13 pm

Most of the time only about 3 people will bother to vote in a poll here, but I thought I would try once more.

The question is simple enough. The reason for it is many Republicans feel that Laden is not all that important and that killing terrorists in Irag is the "real war". What you think?

Jul 30, 2007, 07:20 pm

In the best of possible worlds, in my view, Osama bin Laden would be captured, tried in an internationally respected court, and-if found guilt on the crimes we suspect him of-be sentenced to prison for the rest of his life. It's important, in my view, that the international community--even if the U.S. refuses to participate--reiterate and demonstrate that, for all our sakes, the global community must be ruled by law, and not men like Osama bin Laden and George W. Bush.

Regards
S.

Trotsky · Jul 30, 2007, 07:21 pm

Arrest him, send him to somewhere with Sharia law so he can be tried according to it, seeing as he has killed many Muslims I think this would only be fair, then sit back and watch the loon get beheaded with a blunt bread-knife ala say Daniel Pearl. Just make sure it's not Iran or Saudi Arabia ye send him to.

arielmessenger · Jul 30, 2007, 08:56 pm

Saudi oil royalty. Muslims are the most easily manipulated of all the Abrahamic faithful into war fanaticism because Islam is based on religious warfare. Add secret cells where no one knows what's going on anywhere else and you got the perfect set-up for creating scary terrorist episodes to maintain the Neo-Con myth of Islamic plans for world domination.

All you have to do to erase the propaganda is talk to Muslims in your area.

grandpa · Aug 1, 2007, 11:25 am

Quote:

Quote by: arielmessenger

Saudi oil royalty.
Muslims are the most easily manipulated of all the Abrahamic
faithful into war fanaticism because Islam is based on religious
warfare.

Yes, Muslims are brainwashed.

However, anyone who has followed Bush or Ariel Sharon is also easily manipulated.
Warfare traditions live on and expand due to all types of fools.

Grandpa h.

Technosoul · Aug 1, 2007, 12:06 pm

War and Peace.

Democratic hopeful comes out with war plan to get Bin Laden.

Obama talks tough on Pakistan - Yahoo! News

He will invade another country if need be.

Meanwhile the Republicans are talking about peace.

Rice seeks peace momentum in Middle East visit - Yahoo! News

nice photo op eh?

Well, providing Saudia Arabria and Isreal with weapons of mass distruction brings us full circle because that is how the Irag war got started in the first place. Great peace momentum - another arms race.

Invading Pakistan while knowing they are a nuclear nation already should be interesting.

"wherever you are hiding we will track you down and get you Bin Laden" - which was our original "war cry" right after 9-11.

But PLEASE do not call it a cursade Obama because so far their "god" seems to be doing a good job of protecting his prophet Laden in this so-called holy war.

Meanwhile the merger between Saudi Arabian oil people and Halliburton to safeguard the oil fields in Iraq via our weapons being supplied is underfoot. In case you did not "read between the lines" concerning the lastest news reports. Part of the billion dollar deal is to insure Saudi Arabia that Isreal will effect peace, which was the reason for Rice's next stopover. Control Isreal or "no mega oil deal". A lot is at stake here.

The veiws expressed in this posting are my own and not indicated in the news links provided.

Praxius · Aug 1, 2007, 01:14 pm

To answer the original question, Yes.... if you guys say you are going to do something.... do it! Not going after who the majority feel is directly responsible for the attacks of 9/11 is just an injustice to the victims of 9/11..... this whole fiasco in Iraq is a pathetic mask of the failures of capturing Bin Man....

In a perfect world, as soon as 9/11 happened, as soon as the decision of invading Afghanistan was made.... it should have been stuck to.... right to the end until all goals in the mission were met. But instead.... the officials in the US decided that since the Taliban lost their overal power in Afghanistan, you won..... so then you jumped over to Iraq.

The Taliban were out of absolute power, but they were no defeated, nor was Bin Laddin captured..... Now Iraq is the big deal? This shows inconsistancy, lack of following through goals, and Bush's big line he likes to spout all the time "Stay the Course" ~ Should have been used in Afghanistan.....

Talk about not practicing what he preaches.... now Afghanistan seems to just be a minimal situation in the US, from what I can see from the lack of actual media coverage and knowlege of what's going on there from common US citizens.

I guess everybody forgot the whole reason why were in this mess to begin with....

If Bin laddin was captured/arrested/killed ~ Then some shred of the sole purpose of why NATO countries and the sort would come out...... We have new reasons for staying in Afghanistan, but the original reasons have been forgotten..... so too has the justice for the victims of 9/11 it would seem......

LadiesMan217 · Aug 2, 2007, 05:41 pm

Quote:

Bin Laden and Al Qaida are creations of the CIA and MOSSAD working with
Saudi oil royalty. Muslims are the most easily manipulated of all the Abrahamic faithful into war fanaticism because Islam is based on religious warfare. Add secret cells where no one knows what's going on anywhere else and you got the perfect set-up for creating scary terrorist episodes to maintain the Neo-Con myth of Islamic plans for world domination.

That is up there with the faking of the moon landing imo.

Quote:

All you have to do to erase the propaganda is talk to Muslims in your area.

Yeah that may work if your area is in the US but you may get entirely opposite answers if you talk to the Muslims in the Middle East.

LadiesMan217 · Aug 2, 2007, 05:48 pm

Quote:

To answer the original question, Yes.... if you guys say you are going to do something.... do it! Not going after who the majority feel is directly responsible for the attacks of 9/11 is just an injustice to the victims of 9/11..... this whole fiasco in Iraq is a pathetic mask of the failures of capturing Bin Man....

In a perfect world, as soon as 9/11 happened, as soon as the decision of invading Afghanistan was made.... it should have been stuck to.... right to the end until all goals in the mission were met. But instead.... the officials in the US decided that since the Taliban lost their overal power in Afghanistan, you won..... so then you jumped over to Iraq.

The Taliban were out of absolute power, but they were no defeated, nor was Bin Laddin captured..... Now Iraq is the big deal? This shows inconsistancy, lack of following through goals, and Bush's big line he likes to spout all the time "Stay the Course" ~ Should have been used in Afghanistan.....

Talk about not practicing what he preaches.... now Afghanistan seems to just be a minimal situation in the US, from what I can see from the lack of actual media coverage and knowlege of what's going on there from common US citizens.

I guess everybody forgot the whole reason why were in this mess to begin with....

If Bin laddin was captured/arrested/killed ~ Then some shred of the sole purpose of why NATO countries and the sort would come out...... We have new reasons for staying in Afghanistan, but the original reasons have been forgotten..... so too has the justice for the victims of 9/11 it would seem......

I completely agree. It is true we never here anything about what is going on in Afghanistan. We need to get Bin Laden but realisticly he was probably vaporized years ago when we first invaded but who knows for sure, do have any idea when the last time he was sighted was?

Praxius · Aug 2, 2007, 11:44 pm

True but going all out and using this force on those responsible for the crime, and then capturing them and bringing them to justice or at least knowing they are dead, then a lot of credibility would come back from the world.... probably not all... but a lot.

Technically, it would have been a sucess.

**Chris** · Aug 3, 2007, 12:14 am

Do I want him to be captured/killed yes. Is it significant or important? No. You do that and his #2 steps up. Also since the "war on terror" started there have been many fresh new recruits into Al Qaeda.

Rainbow · Aug 3, 2007, 12:14 pm

Quote:

Quote by: Technosoul

Do you still want the USA to capture / kill Bin Laden?

The question is simple enough. The reason for it is many Republicans feel that Laden is not all that important and that killing terrorists in Irag is the "real war". What you think?

#1
Wanted : dead or alive

#2
To win a war in Iraq requires several times more funds allocated, than it has been done so far. Who is willing to pay ? What means ?
Otherwise, 2-4 decades is a minimum "time-frame" we may start noticing positive results. How to withstand those 2-4 decades ?
Exception :
Iraqis (themselvs) would start making progress.
How is that possible ? No clue, since they have been brainwashed for millenniums.

View Poll Results: Do you want the USA to capture and/or kill Bin Laden?
Yes	10	83.33%
No.	1	8.33%
Fighting terrorism in Irag is more important.	0	0%
Other - see comment section.	1	8.33%
Voters: 12. You may not vote

Jul 30, 2007, 07:13 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
Technosoul Volcanic Erupter Posts: 8,663	Do you still want the USA to capture / kill Bin Laden? Most of the time only about 3 people will bother to vote in a poll here, but I thought I would try once more. The question is simple enough. The reason for it is many Republicans feel that Laden is not all that important and that killing terrorists in Irag is the "real war". What you think?

Jul 30, 2007, 07:21 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
Trotsky Stront vir breins Location: Buckinghamshire, UK Posts: 540	Arrest him, send him to somewhere with Sharia law so he can be tried according to it, seeing as he has killed many Muslims I think this would only be fair, then sit back and watch the loon get beheaded with a blunt bread-knife ala say Daniel Pearl. Just make sure it's not Iran or Saudi Arabia ye send him to. " UKIP -- the United Kingdom Independence Party, the golf club version of the BNP, British National Party. " Middle East.. "The vile leading the stupid to kill the decent in the name of the holy."

Jul 30, 2007, 08:56 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
arielmessenger BANNED Posts: 701	Bin Laden and Al Qaida are creations of the CIA and MOSSAD working with Saudi oil royalty. Muslims are the most easily manipulated of all the Abrahamic faithful into war fanaticism because Islam is based on religious warfare. Add secret cells where no one knows what's going on anywhere else and you got the perfect set-up for creating scary terrorist episodes to maintain the Neo-Con myth of Islamic plans for world domination. All you have to do to erase the propaganda is talk to Muslims in your area.

Aug 3, 2007, 12:14 am	#11 (permalink) (top)
Chris Gamma-ray burst Location: Nashville Posts: 6,294	Do I want him to be captured/killed yes. Is it significant or important? No. You do that and his #2 steps up. Also since the "war on terror" started there have been many fresh new recruits into Al Qaeda. Delusion- A persistent false belief held in the face of strong contradictory evidence. (i.e. religion) Shared

Jul 30, 2007, 07:20 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
sdbest Guest Posts: n/a	In the best of possible worlds, in my view, Osama bin Laden would be captured, tried in an internationally respected court, and-if found guilt on the crimes we suspect him of-be sentenced to prison for the rest of his life. It's important, in my view, that the international community--even if the U.S. refuses to participate--reiterate and demonstrate that, for all our sakes, the global community must be ruled by law, and not men like Osama bin Laden and George W. Bush. Regards S.

Aug 1, 2007, 12:06 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
Technosoul Volcanic Erupter Posts: 8,663	War and Peace. Democratic hopeful comes out with war plan to get Bin Laden. Obama talks tough on Pakistan - Yahoo! News He will invade another country if need be. Meanwhile the Republicans are talking about peace. Rice seeks peace momentum in Middle East visit - Yahoo! News nice photo op eh? Well, providing Saudia Arabria and Isreal with weapons of mass distruction brings us full circle because that is how the Irag war got started in the first place. Great peace momentum - another arms race. Invading Pakistan while knowing they are a nuclear nation already should be interesting. "wherever you are hiding we will track you down and get you Bin Laden" - which was our original "war cry" right after 9-11. But PLEASE do not call it a cursade Obama because so far their "god" seems to be doing a good job of protecting his prophet Laden in this so-called holy war. Meanwhile the merger between Saudi Arabian oil people and Halliburton to safeguard the oil fields in Iraq via our weapons being supplied is underfoot. In case you did not "read between the lines" concerning the lastest news reports. Part of the billion dollar deal is to insure Saudi Arabia that Isreal will effect peace, which was the reason for Rice's next stopover. Control Isreal or "no mega oil deal". A lot is at stake here. The veiws expressed in this posting are my own and not indicated in the news links provided.

Aug 1, 2007, 01:14 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
Praxius Mass'Debator Posts: 4,724	To answer the original question, Yes.... if you guys say you are going to do something.... do it! Not going after who the majority feel is directly responsible for the attacks of 9/11 is just an injustice to the victims of 9/11..... this whole fiasco in Iraq is a pathetic mask of the failures of capturing Bin Man.... In a perfect world, as soon as 9/11 happened, as soon as the decision of invading Afghanistan was made.... it should have been stuck to.... right to the end until all goals in the mission were met. But instead.... the officials in the US decided that since the Taliban lost their overal power in Afghanistan, you won..... so then you jumped over to Iraq. The Taliban were out of absolute power, but they were no defeated, nor was Bin Laddin captured..... Now Iraq is the big deal? This shows inconsistancy, lack of following through goals, and Bush's big line he likes to spout all the time "Stay the Course" ~ Should have been used in Afghanistan..... Talk about not practicing what he preaches.... now Afghanistan seems to just be a minimal situation in the US, from what I can see from the lack of actual media coverage and knowlege of what's going on there from common US citizens. I guess everybody forgot the whole reason why were in this mess to begin with.... If Bin laddin was captured/arrested/killed ~ Then some shred of the sole purpose of why NATO countries and the sort would come out...... We have new reasons for staying in Afghanistan, but the original reasons have been forgotten..... so too has the justice for the victims of 9/11 it would seem......

Aug 2, 2007, 11:44 pm	#10 (permalink) (top)
Praxius Mass'Debator Posts: 4,724	True but going all out and using this force on those responsible for the crime, and then capturing them and bringing them to justice or at least knowing they are dead, then a lot of credibility would come back from the world.... probably not all... but a lot. Technically, it would have been a sucess.