The next 9/11--will the world care?

[sdbest]

After the September 11, 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, the world stood in solidarity with the United States.

Bush and Co. squandered that good will and support. Today, most people around the world do not have a favorable view of the United States. "On average across the 26 countries polled, 30 percent say the US is having a mostly positive influence in the world while 51 percent say the US is having a mostly negative influence." [Source]

If another 9/11 scale attack happens to the U.S., will the world care? Will anyone, including the British, ever help the U.S. again?

I'm aware that some Americans give no consideration to the rest of the world, and perhaps that's part of the problem for the U.S. and why it has become a target for some.

Regards
S.

[Praxius]

If another 9/11 scale attack happens to the U.S., will the world care? Will anyone, including the British, ever help the U.S. again?

Me? Personally? No.... you guys have now made the bed we all lie in, in this world, what is coming your way now, you can squarely put the blame on Bush and those who voted him into power and voted him to remain there.

I'm aware that some Americans give no consideration to the rest of the world, and perhaps that's part of the problem for the U.S. and why it has become a target for some.

Indeed.... this is one of many reasons supporting my beliefs.... besides the fact that "Americans" are so clouded in their own ego, their own center of the universe, that most have even forgotten which countries actually helped them out after 9/11.

Quite honestly, you guys have a short attention span when it comes to generosity coming your way.

That and besides all that, your leaders have cried wolf way too many times to get to where you are now..... we're actually helping Nazi America take over the world for the sake of national security, safety and freedom..... which since this all has occured, there is even far less. This is almost one of the worst kind of regiems I have seen and all of us other countries I feel had some responsibility for helping your tyrant get to where he is now.

The reason why you guys have lost most of your own freedom, the reason why you all have people tapping your phones, asking for passports into your borders, all your troops dieing everyday for meaningless wars.... is all because we helped you in the first place..... we all believed your leader's BS, we gave you leeway to operate and take out those who attacked you, even though we didn't approve it by the UN.....

Now with the chances, the freedom we allowed in the world for you guys to go on and do your cowboy crap half-way across the world, all your efforts have been in vain, all your missions have been failures.... you have not caught those "resposnible" for the attacks on 9/11.... and as you said, your leader abused and took advantage of the world's assitance and now imo.... you've lost my support towards another 9/11.

If it happens again, it's your own faults.... you had the last 6 + years to get things done and now everything is much worse..... blame your leader and blame those who voted him into power.

Sorry, but you asked.

[sdbest]

Quote by: Praxius you guys have now made the bed we all lie in, Sorry, but you asked.

Praxius, your "sorry" is so Canadian, eh. I'm from Canada too. And it was with regret that I presented the topic. As you know, we in Canada went "beyond the call of duty" in the wake of 9/11 to help, as did so many countries. And then Bush and company took that global good will and ... well you know the rest of story.

Regards
S.

[ZNFYRH]

Politically, I would agree with Praxius right down to the fact that we squandered and abused the sympathy 9/11 generated for us.

[nm420]

Will America care if the rest of the world doesn't care? Probably not.

[sdbest]

Quote by: nm420 Will America care if the rest of the world doesn't care? Probably not.

America's a big, diverse country--as diverse as the European Union. Some Americans would care, and care deeply. Others would put a wall around the U.S.A. and expel--or worse--those they deem un-American. The latter are the "you're either with us or against us" crowd.

Regards
S.

[Clarence]

the next 9/11? Well, the next event that could equal 9/11 in..effect would have to be an attack directly on the enemy, the american people. That much I know. Otherwise I don't want to give a knucklehead any good ideas. I say we just bomb those lily-livered canadians 'fore they get any plans. pre-emtive policy always wins.

[BobbyO]

Quote by: sdbest After the September 11, 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, the world stood in solidarity with the United States. Bush and Co. squandered that good will and support. Today, most people around the world do not have a favorable view of the United States. "On average across the 26 countries polled, 30 percent say the US is having a mostly positive influence in the world while 51 percent say the US is having a mostly negative influence." [Source] If another 9/11 scale attack happens to the U.S., will the world care? Will anyone, including the British, ever help the U.S. again? I'm aware that some Americans give no consideration to the rest of the world, and perhaps that's part of the problem for the U.S. and why it has become a target for some. Regards S.

Those who "give no consideration to the rest of the world" are isolationists, and by definition (at least by those critics of USA foreign policy) would give the LEAST offense to Iran, or Saddam Hussein or Islamic fundamentalism.

But it is never really explained WHY the foreign policy of the USA (or Canada, or the UK, or France) should be about trying not to offend such purveyors. I mean, I understand the argument that the OBL's of the world were just minding their own business (except for the occasional office tower destruction, and attack upon embassies and we can't get to excited about that, eh?) and the USA just stuck a stick in a hornets nest and got what it deserved (except that nobody says that an OBL or a Saddam stuck THEIR stick in a hornet's nest and got what they deserved).

If canada wishes to blame itself (as part of the west) for the agitation of the Islamic world, well, I feel sorry for you folks. Because you are not at fault, and you ought not let anyone say you are.

[sdbest]

Quote by: BobbyO I understand the argument that the OBL's of the world were just minding their own business (except for the occasional office tower destruction, and attack upon embassies and we can't get to excited about that, eh?) and the USA just stuck a stick in a hornets nest and got what it deserved (except that nobody says that an OBL or a Saddam stuck THEIR stick in a hornet's nest and got what they deserved).

Set aside for a moment that Saddam was well contained and threat to no one outside of Iraq. In my view, if after 9/11 Bush and Co. had asked the world to support America in tracking down OBL and bringing him to justice, bin Laden would be in a prison now and Al Qaeda would be no more. Moreover, much of the Muslim world would have respected America's restraint and just behavior. But using 9/11 as a pretext to invade Iraq and slaughter hundreds of thousands of innocent people, engage in brutal torture, murder, and rape ...

Regards
S.

[Praxius]

Quote by: sdbest Praxius, your "sorry" is so Canadian, eh. I'm from Canada too

Ah... my bad, I forgot to check your location below your name, and your information sounded pretty solid to sound "American"

Set aside for a moment that Saddam was well contained and threat to no one outside of Iraq. In my view, if after 9/11 Bush and Co. had asked the world to support America in tracking down OBL and bringing him to justice, bin Laden would be in a prison now and Al Qaeda would be no more. Moreover, much of the Muslim world would have respected America's restraint and just behavior. But using 9/11 as a pretext to invade Iraq and slaughter hundreds of thousands of innocent people, engage in brutal torture, murder, and rape ...

Agreed

[BobbyO]

Quote by: sdbest Set aside for a moment that Saddam was well contained and threat to no one outside of Iraq. In my view, if after 9/11 Bush and Co. had asked the world to support America in tracking down OBL and bringing him to justice, bin Laden would be in a prison now and Al Qaeda would be no more. Moreover, much of the Muslim world would have respected America's restraint and just behavior. But using 9/11 as a pretext to invade Iraq and slaughter hundreds of thousands of innocent people, engage in brutal torture, murder, and rape ... Regards S.

Saddam was NOT well contained.Gee whiz, Oil for food scandal was the merely the tip. The whole embargo argument was collapsing, even in the USA (you might recall the stories about 100,000 deaths due to starvation, kids malnourished ect).

And the USA did ask the world for help in tracking down OBL. We already knew he was in Afghanistan. Now it seems the Canadians wished to pull out of there.

[RVonse]

I think it will depend where the attack hits. If it wipes out the beltway I think most of the world will say good ridance. But if it wipes out another New Orleans I think the world will come and offer much assistance as they did last time.

Most of the world has good people in it.

[sdbest]

Quote by: BobbyO Saddam was NOT well contained.Gee whiz, Oil for food scandal was the merely the tip. The whole embargo argument was collapsing, even in the USA (you might recall the stories about 100,000 deaths due to starvation, kids malnourished ect). And the USA did ask the world for help in tracking down OBL. We already knew he was in Afghanistan. Now it seems the Canadians wished to pull out of there.

We clearly have differing views about about "well contained" entails in a geopolitical and national security sense.

As for most Canadians wanting to pull out of Afghanistan, it's because there is a majority view now that our presence is not going to result in achieving any of the objectives that were given as reasons for going there in the first place. And the argument that our General Rick Hiller has given that if we don't fight the Taliban in Kabul we'll fight them in Ottawa is deemed absurd.

Regards
S.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Wow, you guys are brilliant. You think this started with Bush? You think he's the cause?

The western world is truly lost if you represent the mindset of the masses and not a fringe element.

Did caring and playing the "World Game" stop the attacks in the 90's? No, they only got worse, and more bold, culminating with 9/11. It's only SINCE we fought back against the terrorist that the attacks have stopped here.

But hey, I know, we don't have the worlds goodwill. The world blames Bush, it's all his fault. The Jihad against non-believers didn't start with Mohammad, no that's a right wing lie, they started with Bush Sr. and look at where it has gotten us.

Amazing the depths that fools will travel to avoid the truth.

[Yarn]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio Did caring and playing the "World Game" stop the attacks in the 90's?

We supported Israel (which the Arab's hate because it exists and has a bad humanitarian record), starved the people of Iraq with sanctions, bombed Iraq, and occupied holy territory in Saudi Arabia.

9/11 is empirically partly blow back for occupying holy territory in Saudi Arabia. Osama only became an anti-American terrorist, after he was kicked out of the Saudi King's court, for his refusal to stand down in his public objections, of the King's decision to let non-Islamic troops occupy the border between Iraq and Saudi Arabia.

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio It's only SINCE we fought back against the terrorist that the attacks have stopped here.

What you talking about? Attacks are still being attempted, their just not successful, and what can you blame for that but good homeland security?

[Milton Bradley]

Well good, if you have all made up you mind that you don't care any more, how about leaving the socialist agenda for some other country that you actually care about, eh?


I mean, that was the excuse used to justify bringing your social awakening to us, so hows about dropping it, eh, hosers.

[Mr.Vicchio]

So we should let the Arabs finish what Hitler started?

Good plan.

Why the hell do we cower to what angers Islamic Fascist? They don't like Israel, too damn bad, time to move out of the dark ages eh?

Starved Iraq? No SADDAM starved Iraq, not us. Food for Oil.. oh yeah that was the UN Money Boondoggle, and probably the real reason Saddam pretended to have WMD and the UN Never really got serious about it.

Have we had an attack on US Soil that went through since 09/11/01. No.

[The Decider]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio Have we had an attack on US Soil that went through since 09/11/01. No.

Has the War on Terror made the world safer since 09/11/01? NO says the latest National Intelligence Estimate from the US government. Iraq now breeds new terrorists and a resurgent Al Qaeda. If you doubt it, take it up with the US government.

Spy Agencies Say Iraq War Hurting U.S. Terror Fight - washingtonpost.com

[The Decider]

Quote by: Milton Bradley Well good, if you have all made up you mind that you don't care any more, how about leaving the socialist agenda for some other country that you actually care about, eh? I mean, that was the excuse used to justify bringing your social awakening to us, so hows about dropping it, eh, hosers.

What "social awakening" did Canada foist upon America?

[sdbest]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio Have we had an attack on US Soil that went through since 09/11/01. No.

Just a thought, but why would a smart "Islamic Fascist" military strategist launch an attack on U.S. soil when the U.S. has sent so many high value targets to Iraq where they are so easy to pick off? Let's see 3,647 killed, 26,953 wounded. [Source] And, being unavoidably crass, depleting the U.S. Treasury of over $440 billion so far. [Source]

That's about the amount necessary to provide 21 million four year university scholarships. [Source]

Why fight Americas in America when you can destroy them at home in Iraq?



Regards
S.