The next 9/11--will the world care?

[Mr.Vicchio]

Right sdbest.

So we pull out and then they come over here, that is unless what happens?

George leaves office?

We give up Israel?

We all convert to Islam?

Which of those three do you think will stop the Islamic Terrorists?

They won't care if Bush is President or not, Israel could fall tomorrow and they would hate us anyway, Jews live here too ya know.

Nope, it's option three, when we convert, and enact Sharia Law across the fruited plains, and enforce it THEIR way, then the attacks will stop. Not a day before then.

Or we kill them all.

[Praxius]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio Wow, you guys are brilliant. You think this started with Bush? You think he's the cause? The western world is truly lost if you represent the mindset of the masses and not a fringe element. Did caring and playing the "World Game" stop the attacks in the 90's? No, they only got worse, and more bold, culminating with 9/11. It's only SINCE we fought back against the terrorist that the attacks have stopped here. But hey, I know, we don't have the worlds goodwill. The world blames Bush, it's all his fault. The Jihad against non-believers didn't start with Mohammad, no that's a right wing lie, they started with Bush Sr. and look at where it has gotten us. Amazing the depths that fools will travel to avoid the truth.

You know, as you like to argue my points, you sure do have a lot to say to discredit any other opposing opinion with just your own opinion.... at least we somewhat explain why we think the way we do..... thus far, all you did was just tell us we're wrong..... what are you, from Texas or something?

Are we just supose to believe that were wrong and we're fools for actually believing evidence because you said so?

Gosh Darn No! Look Out! Someone's actually starting to think for themselves and it's Spreading..... quick! Go get the meds and head to the water supply!!

*Scrolls back up* Oh jeez.... my bad, you are from Texas.... no offense, lol.

[Century 25]

Quote by: Praxius Me? Personally? No.... you guys have now made the bed we all lie in, in this world, what is coming your way now, you can squarely put the blame on Bush and those who voted him into power and voted him to remain there. Indeed.... this is one of many reasons supporting my beliefs.... besides the fact that "Americans" are so clouded in their own ego, their own center of the universe, that most have even forgotten which countries actually helped them out after 9/11. Quite honestly, you guys have a short attention span when it comes to generosity coming your way. That and besides all that, your leaders have cried wolf way too many times to get to where you are now..... we're actually helping Nazi America take over the world for the sake of national security, safety and freedom..... which since this all has occured, there is even far less. This is almost one of the worst kind of regiems I have seen and all of us other countries I feel had some responsibility for helping your tyrant get to where he is now. The reason why you guys have lost most of your own freedom, the reason why you all have people tapping your phones, asking for passports into your borders, all your troops dieing everyday for meaningless wars.... is all because we helped you in the first place..... we all believed your leader's BS, we gave you leeway to operate and take out those who attacked you, even though we didn't approve it by the UN..... Now with the chances, the freedom we allowed in the world for you guys to go on and do your cowboy crap half-way across the world, all your efforts have been in vain, all your missions have been failures.... you have not caught those "resposnible" for the attacks on 9/11.... and as you said, your leader abused and took advantage of the world's assitance and now imo.... you've lost my support towards another 9/11. If it happens again, it's your own faults.... you had the last 6 + years to get things done and now everything is much worse..... blame your leader and blame those who voted him into power. Sorry, but you asked.

Yo Prax.. you.. Canada.. G.B. (not fuzznuts George Bush).. and the world.. along with an ever-increasing group of us in the states.. are sick unto death of what the MIMC has perpetrated upon all of us.. however.. you cannot imagine the untenable position we are in.

To correct what is "wrong" with the United (ha-ha) States would require overthrowing a regime that makes old Adolph's look like a nursery school gang.. The Military, Industry, Media Complex is on a roll to rule first.. this entire American hemisphere.. minus S. America.. (for now) - and eventually.. as in the James Bond.. "The World is NOT Enough" - so too the MIMC.. What happens then..?? Who knows.. but as I see it.. those "alien-invasion" movies where Earth is attacked by some ET bunch.. I would think it more likely will be.. "Earth Invades Epsilon Tauri 1" ...etc..etc.." Watch out Vegans.. Alpha Centaurians.. etc..etc..

Btw.. Alpha Centauri is a special star - not only because it is the closest stellar system to the sun but also because it is one of the relatively few places in the Milky Way Galaxy that may offer terrestrial life conditions. If humanity looks for intelligent life elsewhere, then Alpha Centauri is an excellent candidate... EEEK..!! Those poor chumps.. how long until a super Walmart.. McDonald's.. Starbucks.. open.. there

[Alive]

The "Western" world will care, most of the world will not, and some will be quite delighted. Just like last time. The divisions within the Western sphere are exaggerated; they are still quite strong compared to the divisions between the Western sphere.

[PatrickHenry]

The next 9/11 will occur when the powerful globalists say so...just like the last one did.

It may be coming soon if Chertoff's gut feelings are accurate. One of those "premonition" things, see. Olbermann: All hail the prophetic gut! - Countdown with Keith Olbermann - MSNBC.com

And yet, even though OBL apparently resides in Pakistan, a "key ally" in the GWoT, he has never been arrested. Can't have the source of false flag terror being eliminated before the agenda is complete, y'know.

Somebody blame Bill Clinton...Vicchio?

[GHook93]

Quote by: sdbest After the September 11, 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, the world stood in solidarity with the United States. Bush and Co. squandered that good will and support. Today, most people around the world do not have a favorable view of the United States. "On average across the 26 countries polled, 30 percent say the US is having a mostly positive influence in the world while 51 percent say the US is having a mostly negative influence." [Source] If another 9/11 scale attack happens to the U.S., will the world care? Will anyone, including the British, ever help the U.S. again? I'm aware that some Americans give no consideration to the rest of the world, and perhaps that's part of the problem for the U.S. and why it has become a target for some. Regards S.

If Islamic terrorism was only an American problem then maybe, but you see increasingly more terrorist targets from Spain, to Britian to Germany. The world would care!

[GHook93]

Quote by: sdbest Praxius, your "sorry" is so Canadian, eh. I'm from Canada too. And it was with regret that I presented the topic. As you know, we in Canada went "beyond the call of duty" in the wake of 9/11 to help, as did so many countries. And then Bush and company took that global good will and ... well you know the rest of story. Regards S.

Wasn't Toronto a target of a large terrorist attack? When are you going to realize Islamofacism is not just an American problem, nor are we the cause of it.

Foiled Terrorist attack at JFK one year to the day after foiled attack in Toronto

On June 2, 2006 a terrorist attack was foiled in Toronto. Members of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) and partners of the Integrated National Security Enforcement Team arrested 17 adults--all Canadian residents, and some Canadian born--and charged them under Section 83 of the Criminal Code of Canada. The suspected terrorists had planned to make a number of landmarks in Southern Ontario their targets and planned to behead Prime Minister Stephen Harper. U.S. Attorney, Roslynn R. Mauskopf called today's foiled attack "one of the most chilling plots imaginable."

Canada says terror attack foiled - JAMAICAOBSERVER.COM

CNN.com - Toronto terror plot foiled -- Canada - Jun 3, 2006

[GHook93]

Quote by: ZNFYRH Politically, I would agree with Praxius right down to the fact that we squandered and abused the sympathy 9/11 generated for us.

I have said that before. The biggest Blunder the Bush administration (and one of the biggest of any US administration) did was to wipe out the world sympathy after 9/11. He did it so quickly it hurts.

[Praxius]

Quote by: GHook93 Wasn't Toronto a target of a large terrorist attack?

Yes indeed.... they even had plans for storming Parlament, holding some hostages and beheading PM Harper.... But it didn't happen did it? What's your point and relation to this topic?

The only thing I see that relates is that our response time and intelligence towards the attack was much better then the passed over warnings during the 9/11 incident..... oh and the fact we were supplied with a good chunck of information to the public about what was planned almost as soon as everybody heard about what just was stopped...... Our officials are far more open with details to our people then some other countries. (There's some of that Canadian Omnipotence some are speaking about )

When are you going to realize Islamofacism is not just an American problem, nor are we the cause of it.

Oh you're the cause of it.... but nobody ever said it was just your problem.... the topic at hand was if anybody would give a rats ass if it happened to you guys again, which I said I personally wouldn't.

I have no control over what people do in the world, nor would I want that control. You're all free to make your own decisions, vote in who you want to vote in, eat what you want to eat, etc..... Just because I and others like myself who actually know what the hell is going on try and tell you guys what's going on.... doesn't mean we're trying to show off and make it seem like Canada is all mighty and intelligent.... hell, that is just common sense up here... I can't help you guys to think for yourselves or heed warnings that are flaring out like an exploding elephant.

You guys will vote in who you want again (Perhaps it'll be rigged again, who knows) you guys will follow that leader like a friggin sheep, you won't be able to do anything against their decisions even if you didn't, and unless you guys can keep a leash on your leaders and make them do what you want them to do, then accept the dam responsibility for your country, your leaders, and where your country heads in the world....

You have nobody else to blame but yourselves, and I'll be damned if I'm gonna try and squeeze one more drop of sympathy for any of you..... I don't have sympathy for the ignorant and those who don't have the drive to make change for the better in their lives. I have no sympathy for people who let their brainless president do the thinking for them and they trail behind like lost puppies..... attacking whoever he points and says is the enemy or a terrorist..... The Leader of the Fakest Free World I have ever seen.

Can you taste my bitterness towards this situation yet? Find it offenseive? Good because it's true.... and the truth sucks sometimes.... take it for what it is and learn from it..... and if you want to get in this whole Country comparison crap, whenever my country does something stupid, I'll be the first one here to post it in the news for all to see.... nobody gets off lightly with me.

[ZNFYRH]

Quote by: GHook I have said that before. The biggest Blunder the Bush administration (and one of the biggest of any US administration) did was to wipe out the world sympathy after 9/11. He did it so quickly it hurts.

You can say that again.

Along the lines of the expression, "Hate the war, love the soldier," there are many people I met in Europe who "hate American, love the Americans."

I think much of the world does understand that our government is acting independent of our interests and sympathizes.

The next level of understanding, however, comes from those who shake a finger at us for voting Bush into office and don't feel bad at all.

The third and final level of understanding gets us sympathy again from foreigners who see what our choices were in the election.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Praxius Yes indeed.... they even had plans for storming Parlament, holding some hostages and beheading PM Harper.... But it didn't happen did it? What's your point and relation to this topic?

You answered your own question with the other quote you had of mine:

When are you going to realize Islamofacism is not just an American problem, nor are we the cause of it.

The only thing I see that relates is that our response time and intelligence towards the attack was much better then the passed over warnings during the 9/11 incident..... oh and the fact we were supplied with a good chunck of information to the public about what was planned almost as soon as everybody heard about what just was stopped...... Our officials are far more open with details to our people then some other countries. (There's some of that Canadian Omnipotence some are speaking about )

Quote by: Praxius Oh you're the cause of it....

LOL go smoke another joint on that one! Provoking maybe, but the cause, not even close. You should like a leftist terrorist apologist to me.

but nobody ever said it was just your problem....

Exactly that is why the world would care!

[Praxius]

Quote by: GHook93 You answered your own question with the other quote you had of mine:

Did I? I didn't even know I claimed it wasn't our problem to begin with..... funny how those words get thrown into my mouth sometimes.

LOL go smoke another joint on that one! Provoking maybe, but the cause, not even close. You should like a leftist terrorist apologist to me.

You know I just might.... things in this forum tend to make more sense then.... but in a humorous manner. ~ If not funny, then I just find even more faults in what people say.... but hey.... everybody does that

Oh and I wouldn't bother trying to put me in some category, because my views and opinions jump Left, Right, Centre, Bass-Ackwards, Upsidedown and Poka-Dotted..... One day you'll claim I'm Left Wing, and next weel I'm Right Wing.... well last I checked, I don't have wings, I go by what makes sense to me.

Exactly that is why the world would care!

Not really... we can just take a chapter out of your book and just worry about ourselves and our security for once. Two or three can play that game. Just because you guys were attacked, how the heck is anybody going to believe your officials and their claims as to whom attacked, why, etc.? You guys have lost all credibility and to act on anything that happens to you guys is one big Cry Wolf Conundrum and we'll probably end up attacking the wrong dam people again...... why go through that BS to begin with?

Tell you what, I'll support you by giving you a big comforting hug when it happens.

There there... it's ok..... life goes on.

[GHook93]

Quote by: PatrickHenry The next 9/11 will occur when the powerful globalists say so...just like the last one did. It may be coming soon if Chertoff's gut feelings are accurate. One of those "premonition" things, see. Olbermann: All hail the prophetic gut! - Countdown with Keith Olbermann - MSNBC.com And yet, even though OBL apparently resides in Pakistan, a "key ally" in the GWoT, he has never been arrested. Can't have the source of false flag terror being eliminated before the agenda is complete, y'know. Somebody blame Bill Clinton...Vicchio?

Yea that is right it was an inside job! :rolleyes: Doesn't that backwards thinking ever get old PH?

[Alive]

Well, I'll be sure to bump this thread if/when the next 9/11 ever does happen, and we'll see who was right.

[shawmutt]

If another 9/11 scale attack happens to the U.S., will the world care? Will anyone, including the British, ever help the U.S. again? I'm aware that some Americans give no consideration to the rest of the world, and perhaps that's part of the problem for the U.S. and why it has become a target for some.

Don't forget which country will be first to help should terrorists attack your country buddy. I find it humorous how online Canadians think they are somehow immune to attack.

I'm a first generation United Statsian, proud of my Canadian heritage, and glad most of my Canadian family doesn't feel the way you do.

Don't confuse the political atmosphere and media tripe with the reality of humanity.

[Yarn]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio So we should let the Arabs finish what Hitler started? Good plan. Why the hell do we cower to what angers Islamic Fascist? They don't like Israel, too damn bad, time to move out of the dark ages eh?

Many more than Islamic fascists hate Israel.

In general, muslims have good and bad reasons for hating Israel, and we could pressure Israel to stop crippling the economies of millions and to reak less lethal collateral damage for starters, if we want to lessen hate of Israel, and by extension lessen hate of us.

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio Starved Iraq? No SADDAM starved Iraq, not us. Food for Oil.. oh yeah that was the UN Money Boondoggle, and probably the real reason Saddam pretended to have WMD and the UN Never really got serious about it.

Starving in Iraq took off after we began over sanctions. Hence we are directly responsible for the starving, whether or not Saddam could have made decisions that would have adverted it.

Why would we have expected Saddam to have taken care of his own people (and have stepped down, adopted more agreeable policies, or given his people a subsistence amount of wealth from the oil for food program instead of leeching from it for himself as much he did)? He had no history of taking his own people. We knew we would cause starvation when we slapped the sanctions on Iraq. We decided it was worth starving people to death, to try to weaken Saddam, and we eventually starved 500,000 Iraqis to death.

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio Have we had an attack on US Soil that went through since 09/11/01. No.

Only a decrease in the number of attempted homeland terrorist attacks, proves that efforts overseas are on the net achieving any homeland security.

[Punkbuster]

[quote=Praxius;414539]Me? Personally? No.... you guys have now made the bed we all lie in, in this world, what is coming your way now, you can squarely put the blame on Bush and those who voted him into power and voted him to remain there.

Uhhh what were we doing wrong BEFORE 9-11 Please tell me?

And didn't Kosovo PLEAD with us to intervene to stop the slaughter?
And wasn't the main killer there a "christian (little c)" and not a Muslim? Now Darfur wants us to (we are there assisting but it is almost more complicated there than Iraq). Open your eyes my friend it is against the INFIDEL and you are one of them no matter what you think or say.



Indeed.... this is one of many reasons supporting my beliefs.... besides the fact that "Americans" are so clouded in their own ego, their own center of the universe, that most have even forgotten which countries actually helped them out after 9/11.

Quite honestly, you guys have a short attention span when it comes to generosity coming your way.

That and besides all that, your leaders have cried wolf way too many times to get to where you are now..... we're actually helping Nazi America take over the world for the sake of national security, safety and freedom...

Uhhh dude take some Valium BEFORE the black helicopters and UFO's come pick you up. YES the US (and some of the other Europeans) tried to work with Hitler before the war- why wouldn't they? But of course that all stopped after Chamberlain got duped.

[megadeth425]

That it happens to America? Probably not. If they strike somewhere that makes a dent in the global economy? A bit more.

[Praxius]

Uhhh what were we doing wrong BEFORE 9-11 Please tell me?

*Snickers* 1st, you voted in Bush..... well.... actually he was rigged in, but Republicans had majority in everything so they over ruled anybody who wanted to issue an inquiry...... and nobody did anything about it, so.... that's your mistake..... everything before that seemed pretty good..... it's everything after the vote.

And didn't Kosovo PLEAD with us to intervene to stop the slaughter?

Ha ha..... Nope....

Kosovo War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

UN and NATO.... not just the US..... God! How many more things are Americans thinking they did all by themselves? Cripes all Mighty in a Crapper! :eek:

And wasn't the main killer there a "christian (little c)" and not a Muslim? Now Darfur wants us to (we are there assisting but it is almost more complicated there than Iraq). Open your eyes my friend it is against the INFIDEL and you are one of them no matter what you think or say.

Yeah I love those political questions that were asked about this topic, asking what the US should do, etc etc.... when it's currently the UN doing their brain storming as to what to do, and if I'm not mistaken, don't they already have people there now?

My eyes are much more open then your's, sorry to say. Just because you label all Muslims as radicals and the sort, anybody can do the same about the KKK, or other extreme christian cults, etc..... we could pin countries with their traits and beliefs because it's easier.... come on. I imagine having the KKK being founded right in the US would be a perfect thing for some other country to use against you guys and make you sound evil...... but they don't, why? because they're not blowing things up? Well neither are all of the other Muslims in the world, so as soon as you stop this bigotry way of thinking, perhaps we can get one step back to peace.

War doesn't end war, it only ends us.

Uhhh dude take some Valium BEFORE the black helicopters and UFO's come pick you up. YES the US (and some of the other Europeans) tried to work with Hitler before the war- why wouldn't they? But of course that all stopped after Chamberlain got duped.

Yeah man... Far Out Dude... I think the government slipped some LSD in my drink... I forget everything :rolleyes:

[Nono]

Quote by: Vicchio So we pull out and then they come over here...

Right. D'ywana fight the Viet Cong here or in Santa Monica?