Fat Republicans need not apply.

[Technosoul]

As the Republican platform is designing their answer to the universal health care topic they have come up with the prevention idea. They will propose that people should loose weight and stay fit and trim as a way to lower the rare of fat-related illnesses and there for lower the cost of health care. They would act to educate people about the dangers of eating the wrong foods (or soft drinks) as a way to bring down the budget for health care.

That "answer" will make the lobby groups happy also.

To do this they must insure their canadate for President is not overweight. So fat republican wanna-be need apply for the role of President.

That also means the Republicans can get "down and dirty" concerning Hillary. She is getting "pleasingly plump" I noticed as CNN filmed her from behind as she bent over to shake the hands of people in attendance after the debate ended. With a little nudge to the gossip rags.

Is she doing her part to bring down the cost of healthcare... the Republicans might ask (as they did concerning film maker Moore), or is she just sitting around on her..... "---- ----" with Mr Clinton at McDonalds? (they would ask).

Yes I can see this all happening in my little blue crystal ball, or at least as a "educated guess".

[Sonart]

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Is she doing her part to bring down the cost of healthcare... the Republicans might ask (as they did concerning film maker Moore), or is she just sitting around on her..... "---- ----" with Mr Clinton at McDonalds? (they would ask). Yes I can see this all happening in my little blue crystal ball, or at least as a "educated guess".

Yeah, Technosoul, I'm sure it will work like a charm on aging Americans, especially women, who look at themselves in the mirror every day. :rolleyes:

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[Technosoul]

Quote by: Sonart . Yeah, Technosoul, I'm sure it will work like a charm on aging Americans, especially women, who look at themselves in the mirror every day. :rolleyes: .

Well, the Republicans are not famous for ideas that are popular, such as the war in Irag, and other things. But they counter that with ideas based on religion or being patriotic, and with those who hope to become one of the wealthy minorities.

At any rate, that is how they will present it.

For voters who fear paying more taxes for a new health care system that idea will seem attractive. Take out the junk food from public schools, etc. And sin tax fast food places instead of the wages of workers, and promote staying fit and trim instead of pigging out on food. That way "no new taxes" due to "less junk food".

And they imagine that will reduce the number of people who will collect from the insurence companies due to billings form doctors. eh... less heartburn... less money spent on pills.

[Sonart]

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Quote by: Technosoul Well, the Republicans are not famous for ideas that are popular, such as the war in Irag, and other things. But they counter that with ideas based on religion or being patriotic, and with those who hope to become one of the wealthy minorities. At any rate, that is how they will present it.

LOL :) Point taken.

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[Osborn F Enready]

The fact is, most peoples health problems could be prevented if not postponed through better fitness habits, better eating habits, and greater understanding of the connection between fat/carbs/protein and their caloric consumption.

Not everyone wants to DO what it takes to be healthy, hence, in a land that people are allowed to eat what they want, when they want, how they want, as often as they want, we won't be seeing a "statistical utopia" in healthcare any time soon, if ever.

People have a right to live as they see fit, which leads to some people being uninformed of the damage they are doing to themselves, but choosing not to care about it enough to do anything, either.

Do you people think it is the governments job to make and/or keep you healthy, EVEN IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE?

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready The fact is, most peoples health problems could be prevented if not postponed through better fitness habits, better eating habits, and greater understanding of the connection between fat/carbs/protein and their caloric consumption. Not everyone wants to DO what it takes to be healthy, hence, in a land that people are allowed to eat what they want, when they want, how they want, as often as they want, we won't be seeing a "statistical utopia" in healthcare any time soon, if ever. People have a right to live as they see fit, which leads to some people being uninformed of the damage they are doing to themselves, but choosing not to care about it enough to do anything, either. Do you people think it is the governments job to make and/or keep you healthy, EVEN IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE?

Here is some tips to help you so that you will not need health care later on.

1. Eat healthy foods.
2. Don't smoke.
3. Don't have social sex.
4. Don't drink too much booze.
5. Don't drink normal soda pop.
6. Avoid unlawful drugs.
7. Avoid unsafe prescription drugs.
8. Don't drive a car.
9. Don't ride in a car.


10 Avoid household dust.
11 Don't live in cities where air is poluted.
12 Check and correct safty hazards in your home.
13 Avoid fireworks.
14 Do not have guns in your house.
15 Keep away form dangerous insects and animals.
16 Do not continue in high stress jobs or stessful relationships.
17 Do not accept a job that has a high injury rate.
18 Do not gather in social events where germs get spread around.
19 Wash your hands after touching things - brush teeth.
20 Don't risk giving birth to babies.
21 Get a proper nights sleep.
22 Be wealthy enough to maintain a healthy life.
23 Get into a happy mood.
24 Be aware and watch where you are walking.
25 Do not take part in sports if injury is possible.

This 25 point plan will reduce the need for Universal Health Care.

[Osborn F Enready]

There is no mandate for universal healthcare, nor is it a right of the people in the United States to expect it, even if they vote for it.

Individual health is an individual responsibility.

[sdbest]

Quote by: Technosoul This 25 point plan will reduce the need for Universal Health Care.

You forgot,

26. Choose your parents wisely.
27. Avoid military service in war zones.
28. Don't eat in restaurants.
29. Boil all drinking water.
30. Never sleep with anyone sicker than you.
31. Never play cards with a man named "Doc."
32. Never eat in a place called "Mom's".
33. Don't vote Republican.

Regards
S.

[Sonart]

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Quote by: Osborn F Enready Individual health is an individual responsibility.

Interesting. So we have the guaranteed right to own a deadly weapon, but not to healthcare. Lovely country, this, wot?

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[Osborn F Enready]

Sonart said: Interesting. So we have the guaranteed right to own a deadly weapon, but not to healthcare. Lovely country, this, wot?

Pretty simple if you actually applied logic.

You can make or purchase a deadly weapon, which is an inanimate object. A one time fee pays for ownership of the object.

Healthcare is a service, reliant on very expensive educational and life investement by those in the health profession, a profession where everything is changing rapidly which keeps costs for maintaining education in a competetive field. Healthcare workers deserve to be paid well for the level of service they provide, based on their education, ability and general treatment of people. Healthcare workers are not tools of the government, inanimate objects who are plugged in to work for the government with no voice on the level of their wages, their life, their potential.

You can't have a "natural right" to another persons labor..... that is slavery.

Not so hard to grasp is it?

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready Pretty simple if you actually applied logic. You can make or purchase a deadly weapon, which is an inanimate object. A one time fee pays for ownership of the object. Healthcare is a service, reliant on very expensive educational and life investement by those in the health profession, a profession where everything is changing rapidly which keeps costs for maintaining education in a competetive field. Healthcare workers deserve to be paid well for the level of service they provide, based on their education, ability and general treatment of people. Healthcare workers are not tools of the government, inanimate objects who are plugged in to work for the government with no voice on the level of their wages, their life, their potential. You can't have a "natural right" to another persons labor..... that is slavery. Not so hard to grasp is it?

Then how come we have a public school system to provide education for everyone? Is that not "teacher labor"?

Do all rights need to be "natural"?

How do they manufacture weapons without the labor of people?

Do we have a natural right to buy guns as part of our natural right to have a military and a police department, who is buying those "objects" and equipment for that service? Who is paying the men in uniform cheap wages to provide us our security?

Is disease not a common enemy to all mankind? A "natural" enemy?

In the U Tube debates all but one Democrat agreed to work for $6.00 per hour as President. That is the question Republicans fear the most, no doubt.

A lot of the costs for hiring a doctor or nurse is because of the equipment they must use to run tests and so forth, the 'overhead'. It is not all about their wages "free and clear". And because of the high cost of getting a good education. (which is tied in).

Indeed, a decent Universal Healthcare System would cost a lot, about a forth of what we spend per day on Iraq. (not sure). Doctors should be paid a decent "higher-middle class" wage in that system, and Nurses should get paid decent wages also, as outlined by their Unions and the agreements estabished in such talks. Why not. We pay out about 3 million bucks per mile to have some company build a freeway or highway, and I do not hear anyone boo hooing that "service".

But the cost of prescription drugs can be regulated.

As people buy handguns for self protection we end up paying via taxes for services that must monitor that business, emergency rooms must handle the victims of shootings, police must investigate gun related deaths, and politics must waste time with those lobby groups that want less regulation. So on and so forth. It is not just about a person buying an object. Costs to taxpayers are involved.

So if we are going to have the government providing services on behalf of the taypayers and / or for the good of the country then we should do it the right way and pay the service providers a decent wage. The firemen, the emergency room staff, the policemen, the military personel, the doctors and nurses, the teachers, and so forth.

We pay to have the police and miltary trained once a person is qualified.
Why not pay to have persons trained to be doctors? As we do for other service related non-private idenities, like the firemen and paramedics?

If you buy medical insurence you are paying for socialism. But without signing up for "insurence socialism" you cannot get a doctor to help you when in need of one. Medical socialism should not just be for the rich but for everyone. It is just a matter of shifting "privately paid for soicalism" to a program paid for by the government via a budget that everyone pays for, and everyone pays taxes. (re: sales tax).

This plan involves a number of related tasks.

1 - Making higher education more affordable.
2 - Reducing the role of private insurence companies.
3 - Providing information to the public on how to prevent illensses by staying healhy.
4 - Paying for the medical treatments and regulating the cost of drugs.
5 - Restructuring the tax system and the piorities of the federal budget.

This is my Five Point plan that I hope canadates will concider.
As this is all tied together relative to the war on disease.

Remotely related is the war on poverity.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: sdbest You forgot, 26. Choose your parents wisely. 27. Avoid military service in war zones. 28. Don't eat in restaurants. 29. Boil all drinking water. 30. Never sleep with anyone sicker than you. 31. Never play cards with a man named "Doc." 32. Never eat in a place called "Mom's". 33. Don't vote Republican. Regards S.

Doc Watson I presume?

Okay, I will add the following.

26 - support genetic research.
27 - Don't join the military (job related injury and stress).
28 - Eat organic food at home (eat healthy)
29 - Drink bottled water and "organic" juice.
30 - Don't vote for people who favor certain lobby groups (which will require another list).

Not sure about the "Doc" or the "Mom" one... but good for a laugh.

31 - Do not live near power lines, near factories that polute, near nuclear plants that might accidently leak someday, near mountian lions, or on top of soil that is toxic, near farms that are sprayed with chemicals, near pit bulls, in high crime areas, near airports, or in areas subject to earthquakes and hurricanes. And do not swim where sewers dump into the oceans, or where sharks feed.

OTHERWISE - At 560 kg, Mexican man weighs into record books _Americas—China Economic Net