Power, corruption and conspiracy

[Nono]

Just out of curiosity, and pretty far off topic I realize (or IS it?), but could anyone enlighten me as to what exactly this vast UN conspiracy consists of? I mean, I've seen the roadside signs in the US and everything, but then one has seen a lot of nutty things.

Who exactly are behind this UN plot to run the world in general and the US government in particular? Is it the International Jewish/Communist Conspiracy? That sounds a bit dated. Or is it a front for the Muslim World / Axis of Evil / European Union / France / Anti-Christ / Hordes of Whoever?

Really, this is a puzzle-piece missing from my education. Would anyone be charitable enough to take five minutes and explain exactly how these dastards manage to run 1600 Penn. Ave, plus Capital Hill, plus Wall Street, plus Whitehall, plus the Elysee, etc.?

[dotcoma]

The Dutch and British central banks are the money machines of the New World Order, no doubt about that. Woodrow Wilson even admitted they own our country. As far as who is sitting on top of the pyramid? Who knows. Why not ask Carol Quigley, Bill Clinton's mentor at Georgetown. He admits that a secret government exist (he actually praises them as the hope of the world) and that they have vast (over one trillion dollars) economic power to basically buy and sell sovereign nations and to implement a one world government controlled by the transnational banking establishment. Quigley states that the CFR, trilateral commission, Federal Reserve, Bilderberg Group, and many other organizations (EU, IMF, World Bank, WTO), are actually front groups for a semi-secret (doublespeak takes care of dissenters), Anglo-American establishment that intends to consolidate power and bring about "A New World Order". (their words ,not mine).

[Milton Bradley]

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-John F. Kennedy, at Columbia University, 10 days before his assassination. Several days before this speech, Kennedy ordered an initial issue of Treasury Department metal certificates. Three days after the speech, he proposed to Nikita Khrushchev that the United States and Soviet Union embark on a joint program to land men on the moon - Khrushchev received this proposal favorably. Also shortly before his assassination, Kennedy vowed to dismantle the Central Intelligence Agency, which he blamed for the Bay of Pigs disaster.

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He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist.
A murderer is less to fear''
-Marcus Tullius Cicero 42 BC


``I care not what puppet is placed on the throne of England to rule the Empire, ... The man that controls Britain's money supply controls the British Empire. And I control the money supply.''
-Baron Nathan Mayer de Rothschild (1777-1836)


``The Federal Reserve Banks are one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever seen. There is not a man within the sound of my voice who does not know that this Nation is run by the International Bankers.''
-Congressman Louis T. McFadden


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-attributed to President Andrew Jackson, who in 1836 forced the closing of the Second Bank of the U.S. by revoking its charter


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``Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.''
-Woodrow Wilson, from his book The New Freedom (1913)


``I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world - no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.''
-President Woodrow Wilson


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I suppose thats enough for now, but I think it VERY important to note the names of those being quoted.


I hope you take the time to investigate the validity of our claims. Its your future as well.

[Pooeypants]

This is completely off topic but worth continuing. (Split from Global Warming thread)

[Leopard]

I believe there are two different 'conspiracy' theories regarding the UN and 'one world order':

(1) the first was kinda hinted at above and is a true 'conspirac theory' - it assumes alot of behind the scenes manipulations and secretive goings-on. This one I do not believe in.

(2) the second has alot to do with economics - the old Keynesian Theories of economics made several assumptions and demanded the ultimate destruction of the free market as it believed government must ultimately control the entire world. The reflection of these thoughts still exists today as can be seen by all the assumptions folks and governments make when dealing with the free market. This is not really a 'conspiracy theory' per se as there is no secretive design or leadership group coordinating this gentle trend. Basically, it flows like this: to stabilize the economies of the world, there needs to be a single monetary unit and government body to oversee all inflation and trade. The benevolence of this group will insure a great reduction (if not erradication) of wars and poverty. I am much more afraid of this 'gentle trend' than of some group trying to purposely manipulate the governments and economies of the world...

michael

[tusaki]

Roxdog, I study International Organizations and International Relations. Their history, the reasons for their creation, their strengths and their weaknesses and especially the downfall of some of them in the last 150 years indicate that there never was a singular entity behind it all. And if any banks own anything of America, it is the Asian banks, especially Japan. The dutch bank doesn't own America. The Rothschilds are a wealthy banking family, which makes them suspect to all sorts of 'conspiracy theories', of which none is actually true.

[Kyran]

Nono, I know of several theories in this area. Here's the major ones I've come across (and one I've written).

A. Masonic conspiracy for NWO
B. Banker conspiracy for NWO
C. Zionist movement for Israel
D. Evolution of Unions

The Masonic conspiracy theory says that the Stonemasons are a key player in a religious function which will fulfill the Christian book of Revelation (anti-christ). This theory also says something about the bankers, yet I can't recall the details...sorry.

The Banker conspiracy theory says that the world's financial giants have illicitly created fiat money (not backed by gold) to force countries into Economic Union and therefore Political Union. The Rothschilds are assumed to be the driving force in this movement. Since they control the money, they don't need to hold office to rule. Of course, Europe unionized before they introduced the Euro.

The Zionist theory (mine) says that the UN, as well as the fiat currencies, was created to financially and militarily arm the movement to re-establish Israel. Though I would say the UN is irrelevant and cannot become a world government. I think the Zionists have already taken over. These zealots and the bankers behind them are comparable to Sephiroth and Jenova; which we're having a wonderful discussion about in the Amerigeddon thread.

Somewhere I've read the Evolution of Unions is just a part of human nature. World government would be preferrable to separate governments given the nature of wars. The United States unionized, Europe followed us a couple hundred years later, and the rest will follow.

[castille]

No no, its KFC! Colonel Sanders once said:

"My chickens are fried and dangerous."

[dotcoma]

Originally posted by tusaki, Roxdog, I study International Organizations and International Relations. Their history, the reasons for their creation, their strengths and their weaknesses and especially the downfall of some of them in the last 150 years indicate that there never was a singular entity behind it all. And if any banks own anything of America, it is the Asian banks, especially Japan. The dutch bank doesn't own America. The Rothschilds are a wealthy banking family, which makes them suspect to all sorts of 'conspiracy theories', of which none is actually true.

You need to do a bit more studying...

[dotcoma]

Originally posted by Kyran, Nono, I know of several theories in this area. Here's the major ones I've come across (and one I've written). A. Masonic conspiracy for NWO B. Banker conspiracy for NWO C. Zionist movement for Israel D. Evolution of Unions The Masonic conspiracy theory says that the Stonemasons are a key player in a religious function which will fulfill the Christian book of Revelation (anti-christ). This theory also says something about the bankers, yet I can't recall the details...sorry. The Banker conspiracy theory says that the world's financial giants have illicitly created fiat money (not backed by gold) to force countries into Economic Union and therefore Political Union. The Rothschilds are assumed to be the driving force in this movement. Since they control the money, they don't need to hold office to rule. Of course, Europe unionized before they introduced the Euro. The Zionist theory (mine) says that the UN, as well as the fiat currencies, was created to financially and militarily arm the movement to re-establish Israel. Though I would say the UN is irrelevant and cannot become a world government. I think the Zionists have already taken over. These zealots and the bankers behind them are comparable to Sephiroth and Jenova; which we're having a wonderful discussion about in the Amerigeddon thread. Somewhere I've read the Evolution of Unions is just a part of human nature. World government would be preferrable to separate governments given the nature of wars. The United States unionized, Europe followed us a couple hundred years later, and the rest will follow.

Careful, disinfo can destroy the truth fairly easily.

[dotcoma]

Their history, the reasons for their creation, their strengths and their weaknesses and especially the downfall of some of them in the last 150 years indicate that there never was a singular entity behind it all.

You "study" this stuff and this is all you've got?

[sixmillman]

People want to believe that someone or something is in control. It can be God, or Gods, Governments or secretive societies of men and women. Chaos like a universe without end is to overwhelming a concept for a human mind designed to find patterns and consistancy in a natural world. Failing to find acceptable examples of a benevolent controler of events the fall to the dark side and manafacture theory of conspiracy to explain the unexplainable.

[dotcoma]

You sound like the history channel. What you say simply isn't true (for me at least). I would absolutely LOVE to be wrong.

[Nono]

Thanks Kyran. I forgot the Masons (must be getting senile).

I'm afraid I agree with sixmillman. Conspiracies certainly do exist, as do genuinely Dark Forces. But the conspirators are as fallible as the rest of us (see myriad botched conspiracies). And the fact that a conspiracy may succeed initially doesn't prevent it from unravelling later (see Nixon).

The world is a complex place. To me, the idea that this or that group of conspirators is in control is simply an intellectual cop-out, the product of an over-fertile ... No! Get out of here! No, don't put that THING on me!! Yaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!

[dotcoma]

the idea that this or that group of conspirators is in control is simply an intellectual cop-out

You're right. History shows us this doesn't it?

[sixmillman]

Geez, NONO why would you be afraid to agree with me? I thought I said that quite well :confused:

[Osborn F Enready]

Hindsight IS 20/20, and that is why it is important to analyze and review decisions, laws, rulings and theories.

Our history has clearly shown, that many mistakes were made, some with what appear now to be strong ulterior motives by those that helped fight for those mistakes to be implemented. If you expect a burden of proof for conspiracy, do I not have the same right to expect a burden of proof for complicity? I have 299 questions from the We the People organization that we would like answered, but the Federal Government has publicly refused to answer these questions. What reason could a system of supposed transparency have for not addressing legal questions from concerned citizens?

The people in power have been asking state and federal agents to act in their name in enforcement of civil laws that are unconstitutional, and blatantly violate the rights of the citizenry. When they do that, they are actually ASKING IN YOUR NAME, as THEY REPRESENT US, which also meanse WE HAVE THE POWER TO STOP THIS AS WELL. In order to do this, all information must first be obtained by the people, in order to make an informed decision. The Federal Government is now obstructing justice, by not publishing, or informing the public of these laws and applications. Ignorance of the law is no excuse, but being DENIED knowing the law until you break it is WRONG.

Constitution Info:
http://www.originalintent.org


Conspiracy exists, to what level is debateable. The proof is there, it just must be viewed with a non-partisan mind, and the ability to accept unpopular facts and information as credible when the source is proven to be credible.

[Nono]

sixmillman: "Geez, NONO why would you be afraid to agree with me?"

Not afraid, really, it's just a figure of speech. I was hedging a bit because I didn't mean to suggest that all conspiracy theories are bunk. For example, I think it quite possible, as I've posted elsewhere, that Saddam was suckered by Bush One into the Kuwait misadventure, and this as part of a deliberate plan, the final acts of which are being played out as we sit here. (Or botched as we sit here.) Of course, not being omniscient I have no way of knowing for sure. But it seems plausible.

Another example -- a classic -- is the JFK assassination. It does seem a stretch to believe that Oswald acted alone. But that doesn't mean that one has to believe the more elaborate conspiracy theories surrounding the event. Not that I would put it past some of the Dark Forces allegedly involved to try something like that, I just don't believe that they could have concealed it for over 40 years, that there would have been no leaks, no death-bed confessions from the many people who must have been involved. That said, it seems likely that Oswald's lone nutdom was exploited by somebody. But how deep things went I -- by contrast with so many conspiracy fans -- wouldn't care to guess.

And here we come to the nub. How does one "believe" in something one can't possibly know for sure? It's a matter of faith, like religion. And that's where I think you're right: you talk about "a human mind designed to find patterns and consistancy in a natural world", which is another way of saying that people prefer simplicity and are loath to accept the idea of complexity or outright chaos. Unfortunately, the universe IS complex, and fairly chaotic.

[Osborn F Enready]

``When it is not in our power to follow what is true, we ought to follow what is most probable.''
-René Descartes

[PatrickHenry]

Originally posted by Nono, How does one "believe" in something one can't possibly know for sure? It's a matter of faith, like religion. And that's where I think you're right: you talk about "a human mind designed to find patterns and consistancy in a natural world", which is another way of saying that people prefer simplicity and are loath to accept the idea of complexity or outright chaos. Unfortunately, the universe IS complex, and fairly chaotic.

This is a breakthrough. Our minds are uncomfortable with despicable facts, but some of us can't look away.
Rather we are driven to examine even more closely and to sift through evidence when "official stories" don't hold water.

Example: Official story on the lack of NORAD response to 9/11: "Oops! We goofed!"
Conspiracy: Pilots were not scrambled on purpose, because the agenda was to have the events transpire.

Which is more logical?