I must say I respect the guy. I've looked into him quite a bit, and I think he's very promissing. He's a fresh face in the democratic party, which desparately needs one. I was watching some of his interviews on deanforamerica.com, and liked where he wanted to go with the country.
What's your take on the man, and his ideas?
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Bad:
- Vermont is not a hard place to run. It has no race relations to speak of, no troubles with heath coverage or welfare or affordable housing, no real principle democratic issues to speak of. Most of the people there are White and comfortably well off.
- Barely any voting record. The guy doesn't have a voting record on many of the aforementioned issues, nor on gay rights or the like. He'll never be called a career politician, but he's won't exactly be considered experienced either.
- He's a northerner. The last president north of the Mason-Dixon line to be elected was JFK.
Good:
- He's the most electable candidate. I'd much rather Al Sharpton, but I'm sure the majority of this nation would rather surrender to the Chinese than elect a Black man.
- He's as leftist a Democrat as we need. Gore's main losing point was not being left enough, and we certainly don't need no Clarks or Liebermans (spit!!!).
. . . whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.
dean will get elected by the base and we'll have a replay of 1984...
don't worry about clark, the peacenik wing of the democrats will never let him get elected...
as far as the ideas of the party, well the economics of the democrats are over... there are too many investors in the stock market today, too many citizens who understand how the stock market and the economy works... the days of tax and spend liberalism are over and that is all the democrat party knows...
not to mention the abysmal record on military and intelligence spending that is the hallmark of the democrat party... massada and 9-11... never again...
then again, a sucker is born every minute...
"I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..."
insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...
Clark won't get elected because he's not a democrat, not because of whether he's a dove or not.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'll barf on your economics. A Bush is the LAST thing we need to get a turnaround in our economy.
. . . whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.
too late... last 2 quarters have been growth and unemployment has been dropping... bush's economics is working...
dow 10,000 by april and dow 11,000 by next november... the democrat economic lie is over...
"I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..."
insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...
Excuse me, but we've lost 2.7 million jobs in 3 years. Unless there's going to be a miracle before Nov of 2004, you're pretty fucked in your little theory.
. . . whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.
as I said, the economy is growing now and throwing a tantrum will not help you "talk it down" ... the economy is rising and your gloom and doom will not sell...
"I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..."
insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...
Impenitent could you give me some intel on the recent recovery you speak of? I've been keeping track of it for some time and don't see anything spectacular, but I could be wrong.
As for Rebels "gloom and doom", I bought into it. The economy sucks and I'm pissed as well. In my opinion Bush really hasn't done much for the country. His job is to motivate those in control to fine tune the system. He hasn't done this.
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,100465,00.html
bush's tax cuts have revived the economy and it is growing... where do you get your news? have you considered the source?
bush has done and is doing more than you know for the economy... is the liberal media telling you the truth?
watch cavuto's programs on fox if you get a chance...
"I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..."
insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...
I get my news from the BBC, and use CNN money to follow the economy as best I can.
There is very little liberal media in my opinion. If there was then I wouldn't hear so many softball questions come out of every reporters mouth.
Oh, and please don't ruin your credibility in my mind by telling me to watch a show on fox (it receives tons O' $$ from the Republican party).
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please don't ruin your "open-mindedness" by stereotyping the station without you even listening to it... show me proof of one dime from the republican party to fox... buying advertisments? both parties do that... sorry... that is exactly like me claiming that cnn msnbc and the big 3 all recieve tons of $$$ from the democrat party... the last 5 do push a "liberal" (in the american political sense of the term, not as in liberty) agenda, and if you can't see that, you haven't been paying attention or looking at them critically...
"I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..."
insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...
</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,)
please don't ruin your "open-mindedness" by stereotyping the station without you even listening to it... show me proof of one dime from the republican party to fox... buying advertisments? both parties do that... sorry... that is exactly like me claiming that cnn msnbc and the big 3 all recieve tons of $$$ from the democrat party... the last 5 do push a "liberal" (in the american political sense of the term, not as in liberty) agenda, and if you can't see that, you haven't been paying attention or looking at them critically...<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>
http://media.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4...-110280,00.html
but that's a tangent. Let's focus on Dean.
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