So What's Your Take On Howard Dean?

[Sean]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,)
have you noticed the SILENCE about the american economy from our left wing friends?

the most growth in one quarter since Reagan...

doom and gloom, tax cuts don&#39;t work... fox news is right wing liars...

open your eyes and learn some economic reality...<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

DOOM AND GLOOM..sounds like a beacon of freedom, etc..cliche&#39;


Did fox news also tell you about the largest increase in HISTORY of the deficit?

[Impenitent]

LOL yeah... the deficit is nothing compared to that left by the democrat congresses... you really need to learn some perspective... but that is the democrat talking points, deficit and jobless economy ... until the economy creates more jobs than you can lie about... keep being a good drone for the democrats

[Sean]

No need to attempt to offend me (as you do in almost every post). I&#39;m merely expressing another opinion. But my point was that there was the largest increase in the deficit, so I don&#39;t see how you can say that it&#39;s nothing compared to the democrats. I suggest if you&#39;re going to say such defensive (and probably wrong) statements you back them up with some examples. The whole name calling concept you&#39;ve got going isn&#39;t making any progress.

[Impenitent]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Sean,)
No need to attempt to offend me (as you do in almost every post). I&#39;m merely expressing another opinion. But my point was that there was the largest increase in the deficit, so I don&#39;t see how you can say that it&#39;s nothing compared to the democrats. I suggest if you&#39;re going to say such defensive (and probably wrong) statements you back them up with some examples. The whole name calling concept you&#39;ve got going isn&#39;t making any progress.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

I never attempt to offend anyone... if you are offended that is your perrogative... you may express whatever opinion you like, I argue in facts... the "largest increase in the deficit" is a lie... the democrats have that distinction of creating and having the largest increase in deficit spending under Reagan... you never backed up your democrat lie about the "bush deficit"... I, on the other hand, have the facts about the federal budget, the deficit and the debt and the imaginary "surpluses", straight from the government...

http://www.cbo.gov/showdoc.cfm?index=4129&sequence=0

http://www.cbo.gov/showdoc.cfm?index=1821&sequence=0

[indierockboy]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (G. Adams,)
my liberal heart bleeds for you.

all of that coming from a guy whose only consistency has been to ignore what people have posted and pronounce sieg hail.

well, on a more constructive note, Fox News was established because it appeared to the right wing of America (read murdoch and the richer republicans, plus CC) that CNN had far too much of a liberal and Democrat bias. It is and has always been centred around a right wing agenda. So why would it be giving out accurate information that would help to de-stabilise Bush, particularly at this vulnerable time for?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

further, several of fox news&#39; personalities (namely bill o&#39;reilly) have been documented lying, distorting facts, and making statistics up. i don&#39;t mean misquoting stats, i mean complete fantasies of numbers.

anyways, on to the matter of the economy. i&#39;ve been told that the job market is evolving, that we&#39;re in a jobless recovery, and all kinds of interesting spin to explain how the economy is recovering. i would like to point out that 40% of the latest jobs created are temp and retail jobs that don&#39;t pay enough to support a family. also, unemployment rates have been seasonally adjusted for some time, and do not include "discouraged workers", nor workers of part-time jobs who wish to work full time. the numbers can be easily misleading.

[aditya_shivkumar]

Yeah....I very much agree that my take on Sen.Howard Dean is 100%He is the only guy after Gen Wes Clark who can defeat the callous and the most irresponsible president in the history of the United States of america George W Bush....But to run in Vermont is not a great deal...but to produce results is definetley a big deal....So Howard Dean has done that so why not elect him as the next president of the United States of America....Lets together kick the ass of GEORGE WRONG BUSH....

[indierockboy]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,)
LOL yeah... the deficit is nothing compared to that left by the democrat congresses... you really need to learn some perspective... but that is the democrat talking points, deficit and jobless economy ... until the economy creates more jobs than you can lie about... keep being a good drone for the democrats<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

the democrat congress? you mean something akin to how the democrat congress was blamed for reagan&#39;s deficit?

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent)
the most growth in one quarter since Reagan<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

something no democrat can do. i mean, it&#39;s not like bill clinton lead the longest economic expansion in american history or anything. it&#39;s not like bush inherited a surplus. it&#39;s not like 1.5 million jobs were lost. it&#39;s not as if to meet previous administrative job creation averages he would have had to create 500 000 (570 000 to keep up with clinton) new jobs a month for the remainder of his term. if he had started a few months ago.

next you&#39;ll be telling us it was the democrats that tried to block independant probing of 9/11.

[Impenitent]

-the democrat congress? you mean something akin to how the democrat congress was blamed for reagan&#39;s deficit?

who originates, writes and passes ALL united states spending bills?
(the answer is in your constitution)... hint: it wasn&#39;t Reagan

-something no democrat can do.

no, no democrat HAS done so... clinton presided over the expansion... clinton&#39;s first fiscal policy was the middle class tax increase and he tried to nationalize health care... and guess what happened for the first time in 40 years? REPUBLICAN CONGRESS... guess what they did? oh yes balanced the budget for the first time in 40 years... the democrats and clinton NEVER BALANCED a budget... clinton signed off on the balanced budgets that the republican congress made him sign...

bush inherited a recession and the &#036;6.8 trillion debt that both parties have helped run up...

you are slipping in the talking points, it was 2.5 million but I did hear sharpton&#39;s lie that it was 6 million...

now you watch, as the election gets closer, the rhetoric and lies will be amplified... more deficits and job loss... and don&#39;t forget the "quagmire" in iraq... never mind the fact that every democrat knew that saddam had wmd&#39;s in 1998 when clinton wanted to bomb, but when bush actually took care of the problem, no, it&#39;s immediately political lies...

but I digress...

[RebelWithanAK]

You&#39;re both wrong - it&#39;s 3.3 million. And it&#39;s STILL the biggest deficit in American history.

[indierockboy]

thanks for the correction, rebel. can i get a link on that?

who originates, writes and passes ALL united states spending bills?

well, since you asked so nicely. the president of the united states proposes a budget before the next fiscal year, and then congress chooses whether or not it should pass it. given that during reagan&#39;s time congress accounted for an overall budget outlay difference of 0.6%, reagan and his administration were responsible for 99.4% of the spending. to his credit, however, he did end stagflation.

no, no democrat HAS done so... clinton presided over the expansion... clinton&#39;s first fiscal policy was the middle class tax increase and he tried to nationalize health care... and guess what happened for the first time in 40 years? REPUBLICAN CONGRESS... guess what they did? oh yes balanced the budget for the first time in 40 years... the democrats and clinton NEVER BALANCED a budget... clinton signed off on the balanced budgets that the republican congress made him sign...

the republican congress didn&#39;t balance the budgets. cutbacks on military spending, and a powerful economy did.

bush inherited a recession and the &#036;6.8 trillion debt that both parties have helped run up...

bush inherited an estimated budget surplus of around &#036;150 billion. but don&#39;t trust me, trust the white house:
"The White House said Wednesday [august 22nd 2001, i believe) the surplus estimate for fiscal year 2001, which ends September 30, had shrunk to about &#036;158 billion." i believe it was clinton who proposed the FY2001 budget.

now that there is a republican congress and a republican administration, it would make sense (by your logic that republicans were able to balance a budget despite clinton) that we would have balanced budgets. not the biggest deficit in american history.

[RebelWithanAK]

Indierockboy:

http://www.volconvo.com/forums/index.php?s...t=15&#entry4095

[indierockboy]

many thanks, rebel.