BBC: Bush's Grandfather Planned Fascist Coup In America:

[Praxius]

Here's a bit of history of the Bush's, for those interested:

A BBC Radio 4 investigation sheds new light on a major subject that has received little historical attention, the conspiracy on behalf of a group of influential powerbrokers, led by Prescott Bush, to overthrow FDR and implement a fascist dictatorship in the U.S. based around the ideology of Mussolini and Hitler. In 1933, Marine Corps Maj.-Gen. Smedley Butler was approached by a wealthy and secretive group of industrialists and bankers, including Prescott Bush the current President's grandfather, who asked him to command a 500,000 strong rogue army of veterans that would help stage a coup to topple then President Franklin Delano Roosevelt. According to the BBC, the plotters intended to impose a fascist takeover and "Adopt the policies of Hitler and Mussolini to beat the great depression." The conspirators were operating under the umbrella of a front group called the American Liberty League, which included many families that are still household names today, including Heinz, Colgate, Birds Eye and General Motors. Butler played along with the clique to determine who was involved but later blew the whistle and identified the ringleaders in testimony given to the House Committee on un-American Activities. However, the Committee refused to even question any of the individuals named by Butler and his testimony was omitted from the record, leading to charges that they were involved in covering the matter up, and the majority of the media blackballed the story. In 1936, William Dodd, the U.S. Ambassador to Germany, wrote a letter to President Roosevelt in which he stated, "A clique of U.S. industrialists is hell-bent to bring a fascist state to supplant our democratic government and is working closely with the fascist regime in Germany and Italy. I have had plenty of opportunity in my post in Berlin to witness how close some of our American ruling families are to the Nazi regime.... A prominent executive of one of the largest corporations, told me point blank that he would be ready to take definite action to bring fascism into America if President Roosevelt continued his progressive policies. Certain American industrialists had a great deal to do with bringing fascist regimes into being in both Germany and Italy. They extended aid to help Fascism occupy the seat of power, and they are helping to keep it there. Propagandists for fascist groups try to dismiss the fascist scare. We should be aware of the symptoms. When industrialists ignore laws designed for social and economic progress they will seek recourse to a fascist state when the institutions of our government compel them to comply with the provisions." The proven record of Prescott Bush's involvement in financing the Nazi war machine dovetails with the fact that he was part of a criminal cabal that actively sought to impose a fascist coup in America. Prescott did not succeed but many would argue that two generations down the line the mission has all but been accomplished. In his documentary film Martial Law, Alex Jones interviews John Buchanan, who was instrumental in uncovering the documents tying Prescott Bush to the financing of the Third Reich. Watch a clip above. The subject is also covered in Alex's upcoming film, End Game, which includes rare video of Smedley Butler's testimony.

Source:
ShoutWire - BBC: Bush's Grandfather Planned Fascist Coup in America

Can't say I didn't warn you guys about him..... of course before when I mentioned this, nobody believed me for the most part.... but there you go for all those who always ask for sources.

So does anybody now believe me when I relate him to Hitler and the things he is doing to your country now under the mask of democracy? It's not speculation.... it's not just because of this article alone.... it's just following human trends in history and how we repeat the same mistakes in the past today without learning from them.... and he wants a legacy to make his family proud after all these years..... at the US's expense.

This isn't finger pointing at you guys.... this is direct concern for your country and the rest of the world.

[Osborn F Enready]

Many of us have known about this, and been calling foul for a long, long time.

Who is this Bush family anyway?

[grandpa]

The question is: Why would anyone doubt this might be true?
Throughout history, people in search of power will examine various means to "ascend."

Grandpa h.

[Praxius]

Quote by: grandpa The question is: Why would anyone doubt this might be true?

I dunno, but everytime I brought up the relation or comparison, there are a select few here who alway harp that there is no comparision to Bush and Nazism.... or that he's for freedom and looking out for out best interest... or something else just as convoluted, telling me that I just lost all credibility when I do.....

I figured I'd throw this on here for the records for those who didn't believe me and asked for proof/references.

Here it is.... for those who argued, by all means, debate now and get it out of your systems.

[Netopalis]

As a point of clarification, in 1933, the holocaust and the other atrocities committed by Hitler and Mussolini were not generally known - it was not until after WWII that we discovered this. Therefore, they were probably talking more about the economic policies than this. Not that this absolves these people of blame, of course, as they did intend to overthrow the government...but it's not as if there were advocating the holocaust.

[Osborn F Enready]

Check out "War against the weak", talking about Eugenics and its birth and fruition in governments around the world.

War Against the Weak

[The Decider]

Quote by: Praxius I dunno, but everytime I brought up the relation or comparison, there are a select few here who alway harp that there is no comparision to Bush and Nazism.... or that he's for freedom and looking out for out best interest... or something else just as convoluted, telling me that I just lost all credibility when I do......

As Netopolis noted above, the problem with linking Bush to Nazism is the genocide issue, specifically the organized mass killing of "non-Aryans" and "misfits" in death camps for the sole purpose of annihilating ethnicities, "deviants," and disabled people. Bush, for all his arrogance, stupidity, incompetance, and deceit, hasn't come close to such acts. For this reason I never equate or associate Bush to Hitler or Nazism. Or Stalin. Or Pol Pot. Such analogies do an injustice to real genocide. Bush certainly has authoritarian tendencies and has killed alot of people unnecessarily with his foolish and illegal policies in Iraq. But Hitler? Sorry, that boat won't float.

[Praxius]

Quote by: Netopalis As a point of clarification, in 1933, the holocaust and the other atrocities committed by Hitler and Mussolini were not generally known - it was not until after WWII that we discovered this. Therefore, they were probably talking more about the economic policies than this. Not that this absolves these people of blame, of course, as they did intend to overthrow the government...but it's not as if there were advocating the holocaust.

I also tried to say that too, but nobody would listen.... oh well.

[billybobama]

Quote by: Praxius Here's a bit of history of the Bush's, for those interested: Source: ShoutWire - BBC: Bush's Grandfather Planned Fascist Coup in America Can't say I didn't warn you guys about him..... of course before when I mentioned this, nobody believed me for the most part.... but there you go for all those who always ask for sources. So does anybody now believe me when I relate him to Hitler and the things he is doing to your country now under the mask of democracy? It's not speculation.... it's not just because of this article alone.... it's just following human trends in history and how we repeat the same mistakes in the past today without learning from them.... and he wants a legacy to make his family proud after all these years..... at the US's expense. This isn't finger pointing at you guys.... this is direct concern for your country and the rest of the world.

Great Post. Recognized Source. I will do more research. Thanks for the lead. This verifies many of my studies of the Fascist Bush Crime Family.

[Netopalis]

Sorry to pop in again, but I did want to throw something else out here....

Why should George W. Bush be held accountable for offenses committed by his grandfather? There is no logical sense in doing so. If he had done this himself, it would cast serious doubt on his leadership, but as it is, I do not really see this as damaging...

[billybobama]

Quote by: Netopalis As a point of clarification, in 1933, the holocaust and the other atrocities committed by Hitler and Mussolini were not generally known - it was not until after WWII that we discovered this. Therefore, they were probably talking more about the economic policies than this. Not that this absolves these people of blame, of course, as they did intend to overthrow the government...but it's not as if there were advocating the holocaust.

This has just become part of my research in the history of the Fascist Bush Crime Family. Now for you fools in denial. "Prescott Bush made considerable profits off Auschwitz slave labor. In fact President Bush himself is an heir to these profits from the holocaust which were placed in a blind trust in 1980 by his father, former president George Herbert Walker Bush." - Jewish.com

"Union Banking Corporation (UBC), Presscott Bush, and his father-in-law, Geroge Herbert Walker, along with German industrialist Fritz Thyssen, financed Adolph Hitler before and during WWII" - Jewish.com

A reference book - "Trading With the Enemy; The Nazi American Money Plot 1933-1949" By Charles Higham. Notice the dates. Very interesting.

The Consolidated Silesian Steel Corporation in Poland helped build the Nazi War Machine. It used slave labor from Auschwitz Death Camp. The Fascist Bush Crime Family had investment interest in the Consolidated Sliesian Steel Corporation during this period.

Now I have given you plenty of leads. Try doing some research. I do have much more.

[another day]

the point is that his grandfathers vision is likely being accomplished by his sons...i'm sure he taught his son this vision, and then he taught it to george and they have been implementing fascist policies ever since.

[Netopalis]

There's a pretty big jump from conservatism to fascism, and an even bigger one from conservatism to nazism. Just because he has received funds from someone who may have funded Hitler before his policies were known (and I would like to note here that Winston Churchill was quoted in the mid 1930s as claiming that Hitler was a "Fine man, who would help solve the economic crisis in Germany"), does not mean that he is attempting to create labor camps and kill people in America.

As for billybobama, I'd like to see specific links to the quotes in question, and then I can formulate an accurate response.

[Praxius]

Quote by: Netopalis Sorry to pop in again, but I did want to throw something else out here.... Why should George W. Bush be held accountable for offenses committed by his grandfather? There is no logical sense in doing so. If he had done this himself, it would cast serious doubt on his leadership, but as it is, I do not really see this as damaging...

I imagine you heard of "Like father like son?" Well like father to father to father... one generation in between the two makes little difference, plus Bush Sr. being President, Bush Jr. being president due to a scammed election from Gore. Add everything up.... look back and see how the country has changed and turned 180 degrees ever since Bush became President, put two and two together and tell me you don't see a connection between what's going on in your country now, and what was attempted back before WWII by his grandfather.

I figured someone would have brought this question up eventually saying something like "Oh that was his grandfather... Bush Jr. is such a lovely little man... how does this relate?"

I don't mean any offense, But Open your eyes!!!

Those who defend Bush make me shake my head many a times.....

First in WWII the US was like the very last country to join in to fight against the Germans, only because the Japanese attacked them..... since that day the US harps all the time about never second guessing and giving people like that a chance again.... even though as the records show, many of the big wigs in the US powers funded and supplied the Nazi Regiem plenty of what they needed to get started.

This WWII relation was what Bush used to help with his stance on invading Iraq and Afghanistan.... saying if we don't attack now, it'll be too late when Saddam uses his WOMD.... you guys went for it, and he never had any.

Now the tables are turned on Bush, and people are trying to warn you about him being the worse of the evils, and the same people who defended and supported his invasions are now switching back saying "Oh well we don't have any solid evidence" etc..... come on people.... there's piles of evidence, mounds of proof.... stacks of shat all over the place that stink of his evil corruption..... he is taking us to the brink of WWIII, and you all don't see it? You don't see any connections? You can't see his patterns of control in which he has been taking his time to put into place here and there for the sake of freedom and liberty? WHAT LIBERTY IS LEFT TO DEFEND??

• Can you say purposely starting WWII? (Illuminati / Masons)
• Do any of you remember the details of why WWI started?
• Do you see that Bush Jr. is starting WWIII right now.... since 9/11.... since he has been elected.... he has been starting it.... he is pushing more restrictions on your freedoms
• He's lying to you about the reasons why you guys attack people across the planet.
• He has passed bills that allow his officials to scan, bug, record and confiscate personal information, phones, internet acess.... etc... everything in the name of national security, but it's an infringement of freedom of speech..... this is what the Nazi Regiem did.
• He made a law where if someone comes into power who may distabalize the safety of Iraq, he will remain in power, he will claim their assests.... he'll basically be a nazi avoiding all democratic proceedures....... This is what Hitler did... but more directly and saying exactly what he was doing, which was removing competition that opposed him.... HityBush is scamming and lying... he's putting on the nice face while he screws us all.

Need I go on?

I have never had an issue towards any other US president except this one, and I need a good reason to be.... and I think I have enough....


Welcome to the 4th Reich

[Netopalis]

1) Like father like son does not necessarily have to hold true. I differ from my father in many views. I really don't think that there's a correlation between a conservative presidency and the complete overthrow of the government to support a fascist regime.

2) The higher ups may have supported the Nazi regime, but that does not mean that the US government knew about the attack - especially since it was the Japanese, not the Nazis, who attacked.

3) Bill Clinton was also prepared to invade Iraq, based on similar intelligence.

4) I really don't believe that it would be possible for Bush's grandfather to start WWII in the hopes that his grandson could become President and take over the nation. That's the definition of a long shot. And as for the illuminati and the masons, people have had those theories for years, and it's never held true.

5) I agree that many of Bush's policies have stood on shaky ground as far as free speech, but to compare it to the Nazi regime is, again, rather extreme.

6) That would be impossible without a constitutional amendment. If he tried to stay in office again, he would be forced from power.

7) Finally, I do think that this comparison of Bush to Hitler is rather degrading to the memory of those who died in the holocaust. You can't simply compare someone whose policies you don't like to a man who killed millions of people merely because he didn't like their race. That is an illogical jump and is, at best, spurious propaganda.

[christibe]

Nope, they don't, Praxius. Even when you are an American telling them... they still don't.



I seriously do not know if the ability to not connect the dots that have been laid since, for the sake of data set size only, Bush's campaign until today, if it is a showing of actual, natural and definitively 'normal' human thought and ability to observe and then attach meaning, or if there is an extra-natural occurrence happening to force this type of response. Anyway, what I am saying is that I am so unable to understand this that the only conclusion I can draw is that I am apparently not drinking enough tap water and thereby ingesting the brainwash drug. You can't look at and live in the beginnings of fascism when you used to be free from risk of fascism and not find it slightly disturbing. It doesn't take a real creative leap. Everyone disapproves of the guy but nobody really knows why? Seriously?

Also, the adage of like father like son is of course not universal. But, Bush has demonstrated that he fits within the context. His family does. His brother made him President of the United States. They are a family that will do whatever it takes for family. If dad wanted Iraq and grandpa wanted an American state modeled after Hitler and Mussolini's policies, adding that they are also related to, if unprovable the illuminati and masons yes, then at least the Project For The New American Century. Welcome to the Project for the New American Century Start date- 1997.

I heard a very intelligent woman state in the earlier part of this fine new century that the thing she hates most about the Bush administration was that it made her feel like a conspiracy theorist for paying attention and finding that he was taking democratic rights away. She is not a young woman, and she is a long time member of the American Bar. Anyway, why am I qualifying her statement... my point is just that if you pay any eetsy bit of attention, if you are me or her, you feel as if it is time for the new revolution because this is a usurping of the country. But when you see that everyone else is not in agreement with you, you are faced with a dilemma... and a real understanding of what is posed with "If you alone are the only sane person in an entire world of insane people, then by definition you are the new insane" What's correct and true isn't concrete, it is proven to me.... god help us all.

Finally, I do think that this comparison of Bush to Hitler is rather degrading to the memory of those who died in the holocaust. You can't simply compare someone whose policies you don't like to a man who killed millions of people merely because he didn't like their race. That is an illogical jump and is, at best, spurious propaganda.

Grandpa didn't aim to achieve fascism explicitly for purpose of genocide. the economic and social strategies of Hitler and Mussolini are what interested grandpa. Complete obedience in action at least is all it takes to commit an entire population to commit atrocity. We have genocides, we have the Holocaust. Fast forward to son, we have economic interest in Kuwait because of oil, we are friends with Saudi Arabia which is contra-American, we have Iraq with it's own dictator, he invades Kuwait, we fight saying it is because we want to free the Kuwaitis. It is really to secure oil. The thing that mosts upsets all of us is when Iraq burns the oil wells. Fast forward to grandson, we have an at least atypical election- decided by the court because of a specific state's results who's Governor is the end winner's brother. We have an unprecedented attack on US soil that is completely contra to US capabilities to defend itself. We decide on a group that is responsible. It happens to be friends with Saudi Arabia. We let family members of the group we allege is responsible leave US soil without questioning, which is contra-US law theory and practice. We start war to find group and bring group to justice for what they did. We let all connection go when we had it, we still have not regained any connections nor have we brought group to justice. We say Iraq is connected to group, and is developing capabilities to attack us. There is no evidence, the UN is already in Iraq determining its intentions as it was since grandon's dad's war. We make UN leave. We declare war. We attack and effectively conquer within months. We are still at war, only now with the people of Iraq. We said 'war because weapons', no weapons, we say 'war because free people', people are "free" as freedom required no dictator- people are free we say 'war to get control of country' that no good to US public, we say 'war to plant democracy, free not enough', follow? There will always be a reason to be at war with Iraq, and it will always be different. It is necessary for the equation. see, perpetual war for perpetual peace. It is also necessary for people to accept the current reason. US people always have accepted each reason. So far, it is only necessary for US people to accept it, eventually though it will be true of Global people. It is also necessary to have war in two places at once at least so we will get things mixed up. Major events happening in quick succession both makes people very interested because it is dramatic, and also allows for us to forget things as they actually happened. see, witness memory accuracy rates- always deemed unreliable. We are witnessing fast events through an extended period of time. I swear, even I cannot keep it straight and I also do not feel the need to keep it straight... it is crazy how much psychology is consistent despite my attempts to stop it. Because- I am of the group it is being done to, even though I reject it absolutely it is happening to me in everything I do- work, socializing, thought. So, we have a form of mind control happening, also see subliminal message theory, not that I suggest something as dumb as putting messages in images in the media, that is just pointless. It is subliminally happening to all of us in everything as it is the thing that is defining us... I don't know if that is well expressed. Systems behavior is what I mean. You are always within the system, etc. So, we have a degree of control now and this control does not require any of us to agree. But, it requires we for the first few years believe that a good number of people agree. This means we as Americans can't deny liberty to people, so we can't take away the President if most people agree. It uses our best quality against us. We are obedient, at least in action only, through our ideals. It is sick, and twisted, and it is what has happened. That is what all the dots connected me to. All the occurrences, all the changes in tone and language. It has all been meticulous, and it has been successful. The next election has a fake opponent, even, who concedes, then virtually disappears. Now, we do not need to believe most people agree with president. An unplanned catastrophe happens which shapes that, Hurricane Katrina. It is unplanned, but eventually turns out to be very beneficial to attaining the goal. It brings out the best in people. This again serves to end up going against us. Things change to a tone of crusade. Things are fast, hard to know everything, it overwhelms us psychologically and emotionally. Things steady out, it is better than before, we are better. Iraq isn't as bad, nobody remembers the other war now. It doesn't matter what happens. Nobody likes president, but his term is almost over, so its going to be good to grin and bear it. This is contra-American, but no it isn't anymore. Because, this is now American because it is accepted. We have control, at least in action, and mostly in thought. Disagreement is allowed to still be ok, if it weren't then people would know it was fascism. Taking away rights little by little is just simple legislation, is what we're told, and the majority accepts, so those that don't accept can't change anything, because that would be taking away liberty. God damnit, it is logically impossible for us to break out of this dilemma because if what we need to preserve is liberty then we HAVE TO not infringe on the rights of anyone. The minority has minority rights still. The majority has majority rule still. We cannot break out of it because it is impossible, because logically it is not wrong at all. None of it is wrong. And if we could stop it, if we decided to stop it, we couldn't still, because it has been given its course and there is little to do to distract it. Logistically, defense and offense, the fascists have a lead that is not possible for the people to overcome. Maybe it will never be able to reach global proportions. I wonder if it was the plan all along that Americans would never be able to break the system of checks of balances, even though we all oh so vehemently declared it was gone, we were idiots, the system can't change because it's rules don't allow it. Jesus then, how is that liberty? Did my disillusion now cross the final barrier, the one thing I thought was a safeguard was our damn ideals... now that is gone for me, because now I convinced myself that the system doesn't allow our ideals because the system doesn't allow us to remove the government if it is fascist. What then? Am I ill-conceived? If anyone wants, please discredit me on that one piece.



jesus help us all.

[Nono]

Quote by: Netapolis Why should George W. Bush be held accountable for offenses committed by his grandfather?

Who's saying "accountable"? It's just interesting (and extremely illuminating) to note who, from among a population of Three Hundred Million, washes up in the White House as the result of an "election".

As for how much people knew about Hitler's plans in the early 30s, they might have taken the trouble to read Mein Kampf. It may be low on detail, but the general idea is clear,

[billybobama]

Quote by: Netopalis There's a pretty big jump from conservatism to fascism, and an even bigger one from conservatism to nazism. Just because he has received funds from someone who may have funded Hitler before his policies were known (and I would like to note here that Winston Churchill was quoted in the mid 1930s as claiming that Hitler was a "Fine man, who would help solve the economic crisis in Germany"), does not mean that he is attempting to create labor camps and kill people in America. As for billybobama, I'd like to see specific links to the quotes in question, and then I can formulate an accurate response.

I have given you plenty of information. If you are just too lazy to pursue investigation then you have your own reasons. Maybe you are a fellow Fascist.

[billybobama]

Let me give you a fact that relates to FACSISM and the GREAT DEPRESSION. "1937 Wagner Housing Act opposed by rural and southern congressmen led by Senator Harry Byrd of Virginia: southeners also opposed 1938 Fair Labor Standards Act that sought to eliminate child labor that was widely used in the south and that established minimum wage and maximum hours for all workers,including blacks; southeners also killed the anti-lynching bill in 1938 with a 6 week filibuster.

[another day]

Quote by: Netopalis View Post There's a pretty big jump from conservatism to fascism, and an even bigger one from conservatism to nazism. Just because he has received funds from someone who may have funded Hitler before his policies were known (and I would like to note here that Winston Churchill was quoted in the mid 1930s as claiming that Hitler was a "Fine man, who would help solve the economic crisis in Germany"), does not mean that he is attempting to create labor camps and kill people in America. As for billybobama, I'd like to see specific links to the quotes in question, and then I can formulate an accurate response.

What does genocide have to do with fascism? Your thinking of the holocaust.

Fascism is an authoritarian governing ideology that involves nationalism, statism, militarism, corporatism, populism, totalitarianism, anti-communism, racism and opposition to economic and political liberalism. Almost all of those fit with modern day america...The only thing left is to go further down the road of totalitarianism, which is happening every day. How many of those concepts have we seen expand throughout the two Bush's reigns, and how many of their antithesis have we seen repressed?

As someone mentioned, bush's grandfather likely wasn't talking about the genocide of the nazis because he wouldn't have known much about it at the time (though I'm sure he would have liked the idea when he did hear about it). He's talking about the ideology...the ideology of oppression.