BBC: Bush's Grandfather Planned Fascist Coup In America:

[Rainbow]

Quote by: Praxius How does my explination make you think I didn't know? I got a system..... and it's certainly "different." Yeah.... they listen to the US people very well... I'm sure I'd get some co-operation, lmao..... Replace Mankind with what ?

#1
What was the purpose of linking Illuminati/Mason with Hitler/Stalin ?

#2, #3
:-)))
Mercy, please

#4
Since you want to bring politics down, what is your solution :
- replace a system
- replace Mankind
???

[Praxius]

Quote by: Rainbow #1 What was the purpose of linking Illuminati/Mason with Hitler/Stalin ?

Well for one thing, one of the original plans for the NWO, which was historically recorded as a plan that the factions in the US planned prior to being disolved... in order to bring order to the entire world, they planned three World Wars.... two of which already occured, and we're facing the third coming our way very soon.

United States Presidents and The Illuminati / Masonic Power Structure Pt4

December 13, 2000 - George Bush Jr. Becomes the 43rd President of the United States. Confirmed member Skull and Bones. George W. Admits to being a Member of The Skull and Bones to Time Magazine Also a member of the Council On Foreign Relations. Confirmed Mason. Bush is closely related to every European monarch on and off the throne -- including the King of Albania -- and has kinship with every member of Britain's royal family, the House of Windsor. He is a 13th cousin of Britain's Queen Mother, and of her daughter Queen Elizabeth and is a 13th cousin once removed of the heir to the throne, Prince Charles. Bush's family tree can be documented as far back as the early 15th century. He has a direct descent from Henry III and from Henry VIII's sister Mary Tudor, who was also the wife of Louis XI of France. He is also descended from Charles II of England. George Bush Jr. And the Number 13

That would explain why I hate him so much.... King Henry VIII was partly responsible for my family's rule in Southern Ireland being disolved by military action and by allying with the Gaels and the Normans in Ireland, whom were sorta enemies of my family and our allies.....

No wonder why I hated him so much the moment I set eyes on him..... I had no real reason at the begining, I just hated him.... now I know why, lol.... besides the obvious in the past few years.

Check out the link and see some information.... it's a tad on the conspiracy side, but also holds facts that you really can't argue.

#4 Since you want to bring politics down, what is your solution : - replace a system - replace Mankind ???

Replace the system.... if I tried to replace mankind, it would only be logical to replace myself as well for equality purposes, or I'd just be a hypocrite and control freak.

[Rainbow]

Quote by: Praxius #1 Well for one thing, one of the original plans for the NWO, which was historically recorded as a plan that the factions in the US planned prior to being disolved... in order to bring order to the entire world, they planned three World Wars.... two of which already occured, and we're facing the third coming our way very soon. United States Presidents and The Illuminati / Masonic Power Structure Pt4 That would explain why I hate him so much.... King Henry VIII was partly responsible for my family's rule in Southern Ireland being disolved by military action and by allying with the Gaels and the Normans in Ireland, whom were sorta enemies of my family and our allies..... No wonder why I hated him so much the moment I set eyes on him..... I had no real reason at the begining, I just hated him.... now I know why, lol.... besides the obvious in the past few years. Check out the link and see some information.... it's a tad on the conspiracy side, but also holds facts that you really can't argue. #2 Replace the system.... if I tried to replace mankind, it would only be logical to replace myself as well for equality purposes, or I'd just be a hypocrite and control freak.

#1
I still can not find any connection between Illuminati/Mason and Hitler/Stalin, since that murderous duo Hitler/Stalin was beyond Illuminati/Mason's reach (and especially Stalin).
WWIII is not going to be any result of any Illuminati/Mason's influence and/or outcome, since they have not been in a position to predict the Science and Technology progress.

If you refer to Oliver Cromwell, then I understand your frustration.
Cromwell was one of the "greatest" tyrants in that time.
Also, this is not a secret G.Bush belongs to "Skull & Bones" society. We all know about it.
I know my family roots, and G.Bush is not being listed within it, positively. Why should I bother with him ?

#2
:-)))
Replace a system for what ?

[Praxius]

Quote by: Rainbow #1 I still can not find any connection between Illuminati/Mason and Hitler/Stalin, since that murderous duo Hitler/Stalin was beyond Illuminati/Mason's reach (and especially Stalin). WWIII is not going to be any result of any Illuminati/Mason's influence and/or outcome, since they have not been in a position to predict the Science and Technology progress.

Quick Search:
ADOLPH HITLER

The Illuminati during the entire war had to secretly supply Germany with many vital items including for instance, diamonds for gyroscopes & millions of other industrial uses, and gas and oil quietly shipped through Spain to France and on to Germany. Had the Illuminati not supplied the items Germany lacked for a modern war, the war would have easily ground to a halt in 1942...... .....Hitler’s main source of economic power was from the I.G. Farben chemical cartel, and I.G. Farben in turn was controlled by the Illuminati. The I.G. Farben cartel was created by loans from Wall Street in what has been called the Dawes plan. Carroll Quigley calls the Dawes Plan "largely a J.P. Morgan production." The J.P. Morgan Group set up the loan to I.G. Farben, which created Hitler. 'Without the capital supplied by Wall Street, there would have been no I.G. Farben in the first place, and almost certainly no Adolf Hitler and World War II." Henry Ford merged his German assets with I.G. Farben in 1928. The cartel created the lethal Zyklon B gas that was used to exterminate the Jews. It was also involved in the torture experimentations that led to mind control methods, such as Monarch Programming. Do you see what happened? A Rothschild agent set up a cartel that was directly involved in the horrible persecution of the Jews. Still the family maintains the illusion of being totally supportive of their race. At first Germany had a significant disadvantage if they were to embark on a second world war. The nation had a fuel shortage, but the Illuminati fixed this problem. The Germans were able to fight WWII through the use of synthetic fuels that were created by the hydrogenation process (turning coal into gasoline).

Besides the fact that it is well known that Hitler admired other well know historical figures who attempted to take over the world, how he admired the acient Egyptian Empire, etc.... He immersed himself into a lot of history, and he indeed got plenty of funding and support from those over in the US....

How else do you explain Nazi Germany becoming so strong, so fast and then when the US finally joined, and the Soviets did as well, that they crumbled pretty fast in comparison to their rise?

it's just logical... unless there is a more logical explination out there.

#2 :-))) Replace a system for what ?

with what?? Something more democratic, something that brings control of the country back to the people as it should be, not those who have the most money to do as they please..... but there is no point explaining it here, since last I tried that, nobody from the US could get their head around it and immediatly claimed it would fail and never work..... it's just the mentality there, and I can't do much about that.... so why bother?

[Athena]

Quote by: Praxius Quick Search: ADOLPH HITLER Besides the fact that it is well known that Hitler admired other well know historical figures who attempted to take over the world, how he admired the acient Egyptian Empire, etc.... He immersed himself into a lot of history, and he indeed got plenty of funding and support from those over in the US.... How else do you explain Nazi Germany becoming so strong, so fast and then when the US finally joined, and the Soviets did as well, that they crumbled pretty fast in comparison to their rise? it's just logical... unless there is a more logical explination out there. with what?? Something more democratic, something that brings control of the country back to the people as it should be, not those who have the most money to do as they please..... but there is no point explaining it here, since last I tried that, nobody from the US could get their head around it and immediatly claimed it would fail and never work..... it's just the mentality there, and I can't do much about that.... so why bother?

How would the rapid rise of Hitler be explained? Germany went from one the best economies in Europe, to the very, very worst! WWI barely scratched defeated Germany, compared to what the economic troubles did to Germany. Can you imagine the value of dollar declining so rapidly it cost more to print dollar bills than the dollar bill was worth? People's wealth evaporated. No one saved money because the value was declining so rapidly and over such a long period of time. If no one saves money there is no bank to loan money. This destroys a capitalist country.

For a very long time there was a group of monarchist involved with German politics, and considering leaders of republic failed so miserably to resolve the economic crisis, strong leadership looked desirable. The Republic of Germany was really struggling. For awhile part of Germany broke off from the rest. The political and economic instablility was just overwhelming.

I can really see investing in Germny at this time, because it had all the potential to be a great economy, and at the same time everything was less than dirt cheap. What an opportunity for investors! We have seen how Americans put in power the people they can pay off, and Saddam was said to be another Hitler. There is much that made Hitler and Saddam alike, and Americans have been in the middle of these historic moments.

[Athena]

This is from "Europe since 1914" by F. Lee Benns Indiana University 1935.

From the German youth great numbers of university students and university graduates, moved by their discontent with the situation which failed to provide employment for the educated classes, joined the Nazi ranks. From the professional classes many who suffered from the keen competition of the Jews in Medicine, law, banking, and trade were cheered by the promise of the National Socialist anti-Semitic program. (Jews could not be citizens, and therefor, could not benefit from guarentteed government work, following the nationalization of trust and large department stores) Unorganized retail shopkeepers and lesser capitalist, fearful of the encroachments of the great trust, department stores, and chain stores, found hope in the Nazi plan to nationalize such enterprises. Even the peasants, burdened with debt and prevented by their concept of private property from supporting the Communists and Socialists, in many cases as a protest threw their support to the Nazis. Finally, the great ranks of the white-collar classes, unemployed or poorly paid, joined the Hitler movement almost in masses.

One The National Socialist Party was

extremely natonalistic in their aims, seeking to stimulate German patriotism, to unite all Germans (those in Austria, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Holland, and Alsace included) in a common State, to regain Germany her lost colonies and her parity with the other great powers in national armaments, to secure the cancellation of the peace treaty and therby the refutation of war guilt and the repudiation of reparation obligations.

And they promised to shift the tax burden from the workers and middle class, to the rich.

Hitler gave people hope and pride, so they were mobilized to give their best. He was a good leader in this way. Bush is doing his best, we had a good economy when he took over, so people are not as willing to follow him. Besides Iraq was never equal to the territorial aquistions Hitler promised, and he lost the power of justifying this war, while the expense of it is pulling the US down. His pose that looks exactly like a Hitler pose and his repeated bragging of the New World Order, is undoing him in the eyes of those who know history.

[Athena]

Dawes Plan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The Dawes Plan provided short term economic benefits to the German economy. It softened the burdens of war reparations, stabilized the currency, and brought increased foreign investments and loans to the German market. However, it made the German economy dependent on foreign markets and economies, such that problems to come in America (e.g. the Great Depression) would directly and severely hurt Germany as it would the rest of the western world, which was subject to debt repayments for loans of American dollars. After World War I, this cycle of money from U.S. loans to Germany, which then made reparations to other European nations, which then used the money to pay off their debts to America, locked the western world's economy on that of the U.S., a situation which proved disastrous. Charles G. Dawes was the co-recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize in 1925, in recognition of his work on the Dawes Plan.

I think we have a lot to learn about banking and economics. I know I do.
Countries must have productive citizens who put their money in the bank, so the bank has money to loan. When the loans are bad, it is the little people who are hurt. Now they don't deserve a fair share of the benefits of capitalism why?

[thx1138]

Quote by: christibe God damnit, it is logically impossible for us to break out of this dilemma because if what we need to preserve is liberty then we HAVE TO not infringe on the rights of anyone. The minority has minority rights still. The majority has majority rule still. We cannot break out of it because it is impossible, because logically it is not wrong at all. None of it is wrong. And if we could stop it, if we decided to stop it, we couldn't still, because it has been given its course and there is little to do to distract it. Logistically, defense and offense, the fascists have a lead that is not possible for the people to overcome. Maybe it will never be able to reach global proportions. I wonder if it was the plan all along that Americans would never be able to break the system of checks of balances, even though we all oh so vehemently declared it was gone, we were idiots, the system can't change because it's rules don't allow it. Jesus then, how is that liberty? Did my disillusion now cross the final barrier, the one thing I thought was a safeguard was our damn ideals... now that is gone for me, because now I convinced myself that the system doesn't allow our ideals because the system doesn't allow us to remove the government if it is fascist. What then? Am I ill-conceived? If anyone wants, please discredit me on that one piece. jesus help us all.

The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is a corporation owned by foreign interests. Since 1871 it has had nothing to do with liberty and all to do with profit.
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[grandpa]

Quote by: thx1138 The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is a corporation owned by foreign interests. Since 1871 it has had nothing to do with liberty and all to do with profit.

From what I understand, the Federal Reserve is itself privately owned by a few large banks in the USA. And yes, liberty is not an international set of economic/political restrictions.

Grandpa h.

[Chancellor]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready Many of us have known about this, and been calling foul for a long, long time. Who is this Bush family anyway?

Of course, if the overthrow had been successful, would things really have been any different than under the socialist policies of FDR?

[Chancellor]

Quote by: Athena They did not fail! Eisenhower warned us of the military/industrial complex that was put in place while he is in office. This includes replacing our liberal education which defended our democracy in the classroom with education for technology for military and industrial purpose, and establishing links between government and research and media, enabling those in high places to control research and the media, such as the Reagan administration did when ir scapegoated the poor for the 1970 recission, slashed domestic budgets and poured money into military spending. People who agree with what has happened to the US need to stand together and take a united action.

If liberal education defended "democracy in the classroom" then it defended nothing. The United States is not, and has never been, a democracy!

[Rainbow]

Quote by: Praxius #1 Quick Search: ADOLPH HITLER Hitler’s main source of economic power was from the I.G. Farben chemical cartel, and I.G. Farben in turn was controlled by the Illuminati. The I.G. Farben cartel was created by loans from Wall Street in what has been called the Dawes plan. Carroll Quigley calls the Dawes Plan "largely a J.P. Morgan production." The J.P. Morgan Group set up the loan to I.G. Farben, which created Hitler. 'Without the capital supplied by Wall Street, there would have been no I.G. Farben in the first place, and almost certainly no Adolf Hitler and World War II." Besides the fact that it is well known that Hitler admired other well know historical figures who attempted to take over the world, how he admired the acient Egyptian Empire, etc.... He immersed himself into a lot of history, and he indeed got plenty of funding and support from those over in the US.... How else do you explain Nazi Germany becoming so strong, so fast and then when the US finally joined, and the Soviets did as well, that they crumbled pretty fast in comparison to their rise? it's just logical... unless there is a more logical explination out there. #2 with what?? Something more democratic, something that brings control of the country back to the people as it should be, not those who have the most money to do as they please..... but there is no point explaining it here, since last I tried that, nobody from the US could get their head around it and immediatly claimed it would fail and never work..... it's just the mentality there, and I can't do much about that.... so why bother?

#1
I followed that link and read that article. I have my reservations with a reference to that source.
A guy killed anoter guy, using Colt-45 gun. We should prosecute Colt.
Is that what are you trying to express, as an argument ?

Also, I believe that Athena delivered quite reasonable answer to your question, then there is not much sense to expand that issue.
Here, it goes :
Post #65 :
BBC: Bush's Grandfather Planned Fascist Coup In America:

Quote by: Athena Germany went from one the best economies in Europe, to the very, very worst! WWI barely scratched defeated Germany, compared to what the economic troubles did to Germany. Can you imagine the value of dollar declining so rapidly it cost more to print dollar bills than the dollar bill was worth? People's wealth evaporated. No one saved money because the value was declining so rapidly and over such a long period of time. If no one saves money there is no bank to loan money. This destroys a capitalist country. For a very long time there was a group of monarchist involved with German politics, and considering leaders of republic failed so miserably to resolve the economic crisis, strong leadership looked desirable. The Republic of Germany was really struggling. For awhile part of Germany broke off from the rest. The political and economic instablility was just overwhelming. I can really see investing in Germny at this time, because it had all the potential to be a great economy, and at the same time everything was less than dirt cheap. What an opportunity for investors!

#2
Regardless of a system, but We-People create all the systems.
We-People means : Homo Sapiens, Mankind.

[Rainbow]

Quote by: Chancellor If liberal education defended "democracy in the classroom" then it defended nothing. The United States is not, and has never been, a democracy!

Can you point one - at least - democratic state, please ?