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thx1138 · Jul 30, 2007, 05:47 am

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Yep. The Islamic fundamenatalist Khomeni was aggravated by the overthrow of a secular, communist admiring fellow Iranian.
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Glad to clear that up for you.

xyzer · Jul 30, 2007, 09:31 am

Ibn_Sina..You generalize off a few specifics which is illogical even in Islam!

To point out the antics of a few 'rappers' as indicative of majority US expression is ridiculous! There are literally thousands of entertainers and hundreds if not thousands of various types of entertainment expression in this country of some 300 million people!

The very fact that expression in the USA is not fettered by religion or oppressive laws ruins your criticism. In Islamic countries freedom of expression is limited by the Mullahs interpretaations of the Koran. In Saudi Arabia one can get whipped for not wearing approved attire? Women can be threatened for even walking un chaperoned with a male aquaintance? Women do not have equal rights?

Living under such restrictions is intolerable in the thoughts of we who live in a free society. Sure our society is not free of crime and stupidity by its people, some of whom push behavior beyond the laws, but it is free and there is a system of equality under the laws.

Lets face it Iran is a proven trouble maker in the middle east. It has purposefully created trouble in Iraq which has prolonged the US occupation and hindered the setting up of a government in that country. The blood of thousands of Iraqis is on Irans conscience. It has sponsored terrorism and provided weapons by which women and children are killed.
The US quit offensive military tactics four years ago and the terrorist violence continues.

thx1138 · Jul 31, 2007, 12:55 am

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The US quit offensive military tactics four years ago and the terrorist violence continues.

Where have you been? under a rock?

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Lets face it Iran is a proven trouble maker in the middle east. It has purposefully created trouble in Iraq which has prolonged the US occupation and hindered the setting up of a government in that country. The blood of thousands of Iraqis is on Irans conscience. It has sponsored terrorism and provided weapons by which women and children are killed.
The US quit offensive military tactics four years ago and the terrorist violence continues.

This guy has been programmed ... hook, line, and sinker.
"prolonged the US occupation" why is the U.S. building bases in Iraq? How prolonged do you think permanent bases will make the occupation?

Yes Iran is a trouble maker, but you don't think the U.S. is a trouble maker also?
Why in Gods name can people not see that by bombing people your not going to make them like you or follow your system. The Romans tried and failed what makes you think the U.S. will succeed?

The only thing that can make you believe this is brain washing by the media.

GHook93 · Jul 31, 2007, 03:18 pm

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Then why USA passed the Patriot Act?

We wouldn't even have this discussion if America wasn't a Freedom loving nation. The Patriot Act is all about monitoring. The majority of people don't know that its happening to them.

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Why in American music, women are referred to as "bitches and whores"?

None don't by the government. It is done by a small group of individual performers. May times they are protested against

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Why women are objectified and humiliated in American porn videos?

It is called freedom of expression. In civilized society we don't kill people adultry or porno.

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Why more women are raped in USA than Iran?

Because women in Iran are afraid to admit they were rape, but the consequences are worse for them if they speak.

GHook93 · Jul 31, 2007, 03:24 pm

It would have been like fighting for the South Vietnamese government. When the country doesn't support you, then no foreign influence will be effective either. The only way would could have saved the Shah's Iran is to have nuked the whole country! Not a good way to save the people!

Jul 30, 2007, 09:31 am	#22 (permalink) (top)
xyzer Liberated thinker Location: New Mexican Alps Posts: 2,113	Ibn_Sina..You generalize off a few specifics which is illogical even in Islam! To point out the antics of a few 'rappers' as indicative of majority US expression is ridiculous! There are literally thousands of entertainers and hundreds if not thousands of various types of entertainment expression in this country of some 300 million people! The very fact that expression in the USA is not fettered by religion or oppressive laws ruins your criticism. In Islamic countries freedom of expression is limited by the Mullahs interpretaations of the Koran. In Saudi Arabia one can get whipped for not wearing approved attire? Women can be threatened for even walking un chaperoned with a male aquaintance? Women do not have equal rights? Living under such restrictions is intolerable in the thoughts of we who live in a free society. Sure our society is not free of crime and stupidity by its people, some of whom push behavior beyond the laws, but it is free and there is a system of equality under the laws. Lets face it Iran is a proven trouble maker in the middle east. It has purposefully created trouble in Iraq which has prolonged the US occupation and hindered the setting up of a government in that country. The blood of thousands of Iraqis is on Irans conscience. It has sponsored terrorism and provided weapons by which women and children are killed. The US quit offensive military tactics four years ago and the terrorist violence continues. Thus we play the fools with the time, and the spirits of the wise sit in the clouds and mock us.

Jul 31, 2007, 03:24 pm	#25 (permalink) (top)
GHook93 Aristotle Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,392	The Shah's Collaspe was inevitable It would have been like fighting for the South Vietnamese government. When the country doesn't support you, then no foreign influence will be effective either. The only way would could have saved the Shah's Iran is to have nuked the whole country! Not a good way to save the people!