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GHook93 · Jul 23, 2007, 02:46 pm

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Very hypocritical and there is no way to answer it without sounding like a huge hyprocrit. I guess that is why some many Americans are against the war. Now if Sadam had WMDs and was threatening the US that would be a different story, but as it turned out that would be the case.

So if Iran invaded Mexico, America would instantly declare war on Iran!

GHook93 · Jul 23, 2007, 02:51 pm

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Amazing news, nothing in the media here on this. The source is dubious, but this last bit helps explain:

It is possible too that the US isn't in a war against Islam. I'll look into this MOSSAD thing

NOPE, it is all bullshit from a bullshit source. You could find a more creditable source in a garabage can. If this bullshit truely occurred, then it would be picked up everywhere.

Also why the hell would anyone need Mexico in the war on terror? They could provide nothing! All they might be needed is for the even bigger nonsensical war on drugs! Which is a flawed facist war in itself!

GHook93 · Jul 23, 2007, 03:07 pm

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rmnunez, you might find clarification in an article posted on the same day in El Universal. I don't read Spanish so I won't bother googling for that source. I've pasted the reference below:

"8. "ZIONIST TERRORISTS" ATTACK MEXICO: NOT!
The Mexico City daily Cronica de Hoy provided fodder for Jew-hating conspiracy theorists with an Oct. 12 report that two Israelis were detained with pistols and a wide variety of grenades and explosives at Mexico's congress building. Salvador Guersson Smeke, a retired Israeli military official and nationalized Mexican, and Israeli national Sar Ben Zvi were briefly detained while federal police investigated the incident. The story was picked up, with some embellishment (Smecke suddenly became a "Mossad agent"), in the following day's Pravda and various anti-Semitic web sites which trumpeted claims that "Zionist terrorists" intended to blow up the congress building as a provocation. Too bad the conspiracy-mongers didn't read the less lurid account in the more reputable El Universal. According to the Oct. 12 El Universal, the two men were security guards in the employ of the company Private Security Systems Development which was contracted by the Mexican government, the tubes and wires in their suitcase were not bombs after all, and their firearms were legally registered."

World War 3 Report

WOW, a BS anti-semitic claim by Jose that was invalidated, who would have thought!

GHook93 · Jul 23, 2007, 03:10 pm

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I think some of you missed the point of the article. Chomsky is not literally talking about Iran invading Mexico... He is justifying Iran's insecurities due to US presence in Iraq.

I think it is more similar to (which he did mention) is he US complaining about Iran and Syrian's involvement in Iraq, but we butted our noses on the Afghan-Russian war. It is hyprocritical any way you twist it.

Ibn_Sina · Jul 23, 2007, 04:26 pm

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So if Iran invaded Mexico, America would instantly declare war on Iran!

Exactly.

Now, it would be totally irrational for USA to think that Iran should gladly collaborate with USA on whatever she does in the region, most importantly, near her borders. Given post-Revolution US-Iran relationship, it is simply a crazy idea. Collaboration should be the last thing on our President's mind, considering the way US propaganda linked our state with Shi'a terrorism...

rmnunez · Jul 23, 2007, 06:30 pm

Aztlan is a UCLA-based radical lefty hispanic student association, a bunch of downright racists in my opinion, and the alleged incident took place 6 years ago.

jose · Jul 24, 2007, 05:15 pm

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Aztlan is a UCLA-based radical lefty hispanic student association, a bunch of downright racists in my opinion, and the alleged incident took place 6 years ago.

did the incident take place??

GodBlessAmerica · Jul 25, 2007, 04:56 am

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Excerpt from this page.

Islamic radicals have been opening Mosques in Mexico and getting disenfranchised males to join which is dangerous.
Not Iran directly, but this was reported as news a couple of days ago and seems related.

jose · Jul 25, 2007, 03:51 pm

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Islamic radicals have been opening Mosques in Mexico and getting disenfranchised males to join which is dangerous.
Not Iran directly, but this was reported as news a couple of days ago and seems related.

got a link to that?

Ibn_Sina · Jul 25, 2007, 03:56 pm

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Islamic radicals have been opening Mosques in Mexico and getting disenfranchised males to join which is dangerous.
Not Iran directly, but this was reported as news a couple of days ago and seems related.

Oh yes, I also heard that pigs can fly.

GHook93 · Jul 25, 2007, 04:34 pm

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Islamic radicals have been opening Mosques in Mexico and getting disenfranchised males to join which is dangerous.
Not Iran directly, but this was reported as news a couple of days ago and seems related.

In "Muslims against Jihad," a documentary. One of the Muslim interviewed state that the radical giant Mosques that were being build in Canada and other places were funded by Saudia Arabia.

rmnunez · Jul 25, 2007, 11:57 pm

Apparently the incident in Mexico did take place, but it was not as described. Israeli agents were not involved in an attempted coup or terrorist seizure of the Mexican legislature.

jose · Jul 26, 2007, 01:28 pm

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Apparently the incident in Mexico did take place, but it was not as described. Israeli agents were not involved in an attempted coup or terrorist seizure of the Mexican legislature.

they got caught going in with weapons

The Decider · Jul 26, 2007, 02:17 pm

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they got caught going in with weapons

According to the El Universal article, the confiscated weapons had licenses. And understandably so. The person carrying the arms was a security guard.

The case is not open and shut, jose. Don't continue pretending that it is.

El Universal: Detenido en San Lázaro tiene licencia para arma - El Universal - México

El Universal with Google Translation: Translated version of http://www2.eluniversal.com.mx/pls/impreso/noticia.html?id_nota=68324&tabla=nacion

jose · Jul 26, 2007, 04:18 pm

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The case is not open and shut, jose. Don't continue pretending that it is.

no your right its not shut

rmnunez · Jul 26, 2007, 06:32 pm

Either Israel was attempting through agents to overthrow the government of Mexico, as Aztlan asserts, or a couple of security professionals on a business call to some legislator's office got caught in the building when some of those ubiquitous lefty marchers managed to breach security (as often happens).

This is the way I suspect it went down: The two guys were really in San Lazaro and they did have weapons and sophisticated security equipment with plenty of cables, timers, and LED displays. They likely arrived punctually on a business visit, probably were checked-in by security at the entrance. I'm sure the weapons and licenses were duly noted. Since the legislator confirmed the appointment and the credentials profered were authentic, the equipment apparently related to whatever business the legislator had summoned them for, they were allowed in. Once there they may have held their sales meeting, presented their brochures, demonstrated the equipment and as they were leaving ran into the marching radicals who stormed the palace. Not wanting to cause an incident discharging a firearm in the legilative palace, these two probably got passed along the lead bunch of burlys who are up fromt for this purpose and provided Aztlan their imaginative interpretation of the incident.

Jul 23, 2007, 06:30 pm	#26 (permalink) (top)
rmnunez Volcanic Erupter Location: Mexico City Posts: 4,772	Aztlan is a UCLA-based radical lefty hispanic student association, a bunch of downright racists in my opinion, and the alleged incident took place 6 years ago. Et semel emissum volat irrevocabile verbum. Raúl M. Núñez Sheriff

Jul 25, 2007, 11:57 pm	#32 (permalink) (top)
rmnunez Volcanic Erupter Location: Mexico City Posts: 4,772	Apparently the incident in Mexico did take place, but it was not as described. Israeli agents were not involved in an attempted coup or terrorist seizure of the Mexican legislature. Et semel emissum volat irrevocabile verbum. Raúl M. Núñez Sheriff

Jul 26, 2007, 06:32 pm	#36 (permalink) (top)
rmnunez Volcanic Erupter Location: Mexico City Posts: 4,772	Either Israel was attempting through agents to overthrow the government of Mexico, as Aztlan asserts, or a couple of security professionals on a business call to some legislator's office got caught in the building when some of those ubiquitous lefty marchers managed to breach security (as often happens). This is the way I suspect it went down: The two guys were really in San Lazaro and they did have weapons and sophisticated security equipment with plenty of cables, timers, and LED displays. They likely arrived punctually on a business visit, probably were checked-in by security at the entrance. I'm sure the weapons and licenses were duly noted. Since the legislator confirmed the appointment and the credentials profered were authentic, the equipment apparently related to whatever business the legislator had summoned them for, they were allowed in. Once there they may have held their sales meeting, presented their brochures, demonstrated the equipment and as they were leaving ran into the marching radicals who stormed the palace. Not wanting to cause an incident discharging a firearm in the legilative palace, these two probably got passed along the lead bunch of burlys who are up fromt for this purpose and provided Aztlan their imaginative interpretation of the incident. Et semel emissum volat irrevocabile verbum. Raúl M. Núñez Sheriff