The Guarded Gardens of California Hemp.

[Technosoul]

We have known that 50% of all the hemp grown in the USA is produced here in California. The police are always finding small gardens of hemp that were planted in the hills (normally under trees for cover) by undocumented workers from south of the boarder (with connections to people living here who sell the crop to underground dealers or for medical purposes.

The governnmental departments in Washington are apparently just now finding out about how big of an operation it is. And came out with a new "breaking news" story to alarm the people that armed drug dealers are coming here from Mexico and taking over our national forests to grow unlawful drugs.

The growers have added security measures to protect their gardens so that gangs cannot walk in and steal the product. But the news made it sound like a big para-military operation aimed at defending the crops from the police or other drug enforcment agents in a war like manner. Calling it a "armed invasion on USA soil".

And they are warning campers and hikers to beware of the fact that our national parks are now infested with international drug dealers who are like our urban gangs.

What do you think? The CNN story aired on Lou Dobbs was not posted yet on the internet so I did not post a link source.

[Praxius]

So let me get this straight......

• You guys are growing your hemp/marijuana/weed or other saying... mostly in California?And the government is blaming People from Mexico for growing the weed?

Funny thing is..... most of the seeds for all of that come from Canada, BC in more detail..... lmao.... That's Ironic. Kinda like an international..... er..... quazi international incident.

For further details on the link to BC.... where else is the closest location to get the product.... BC which is the most promotive of marijuana in Canada.... plus the fact that US officials made a big stink to extrodite the leader of the Marjiuana Party in Canada, for running a hemp shop in BC and was mailing seeds across the border......

Anyways.... that's just funny.

[Technosoul]

[quote=Praxius;410132]So let me get this straight......

• You guys are growing your hemp/marijuana/weed or other saying... mostly in California?And the government is blaming People from Mexico for growing the weed?

Funny thing is..... most of the seeds for all of that come from Canada, BC in more detail..... lmao.... That's Ironic. Kinda like an international..... er..... quazi international incident.

For further details on the link to BC.... where else is the closest location to get the product.... BC which is the most promotive of marijuana in Canada.... plus the fact that US officials made a big stink to extrodite the leader of the Marjiuana Party in Canada, for running a hemp shop in BC and was mailing seeds across the border......

Not quite what the news reported. According to them people based in Mexico are invading this country with hemp seeds and weapons and are setting up secret hemp farms inside of our national forests and parks and then selling the prepared hemp on the streets for billions of dallors.

Being the grardens are hid away in remote areas where you must hike in to find them the local police do not enforce shutting them down unless someone reports to them just where to locate the M-gardens.

Some of the raids conducted have resulted in the police finding weapons in the make-shift camps used by the "invading army" as well as booby trapes. The "invaders" normally escape into the woods before the police can move-in on the secret farms (due to lookouts posted by the invading army - and so they just set up another farm elsewhere).

Due to the weapons located the Washington department has now labeled them as "terrorists" which "title" could upgrade the punishmet for drug growers and it would place it under the Homeland Security Department's effort to prevent or stop "domestic terrorism"

Drug czar gives warning (Pot growers "dangerous terrorists")

[Praxius]

From the link:

John P. Walters, President Bush's drug czar, said the people who plant and tend the gardens are terrorists who wouldn't hesitate to help other terrorists get into the country with the aim of causing mass casualties. Walters made the comments at a Thursday press conference that provided an update on the "Operation Alesia" marijuana-eradication effort.

Psshhh..... Pffft.... Pah..... meh..... What? Considdering they're entering a Country that boasts the right to bare arms, I'd want a gun too entering your country.... that doesn't mean I'm gonna go and kill you all.... gee... it's nice how they can defend your own people walking downtown with firearms, but if it's someone from another country, they must have intentions of killing someone? Come on..... like you guys are the only ones who know how to use firearms responsibly?

Walters, whose official title is director of the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy, said too many people write off marijuana as harmless. "We have kind of a reefer blindness,' " he said.

I wonder why? Probably because the entire "Reefer Madness" Campaign was a total lie and BS propaganda with no solid evidence backing their ealier claims.... why would people believe him now? How have they earned back trust?

No arrests have been made so far in the four days of raids, the opening leg of what Shasta County Sheriff Tom Bosenko has promised will be at least two straight weeks of daily raids.

Then how the hell do they know it's people from Mexico? Like I said, we here in Canada have a stronger hand in the Marijuana growing in California on history alone..... why pick on the Mexicans without any physical proof?

He said suspects have been hard to find because their familiarity with their terrain makes it easy for them to flee quickly.

Pfft.... or they're looking for the wrong people to begin with.... what a dork. Perhaps the reason why they know the terrain well, is because it's almost identical to BC's terrain? Gee I dunno..... (See below for an additional reason)

"These organizations are destroying our lands and wildlife," he said.

Yes, because these Terrorists are shooting your eagles and deer while they're out there..... oh and growing marijuana, a natural plant to the enviroment is killing the land..... Idiots.

His estimate is based on a National Park Service study that found it costs $11,000 per acre to pull the plants, clear irrigation systems, reshape any terracing and replant native vegetation, said Mike Odle, Forest Service spokesman.

Technically the weed is native vegetation..... wern't the "Natives" the ones who used to smoke it for centuries? Now we move in, a few centuries later we make it illegal, and not it's no longer a Native plant to the land? Once again..... IDIOTS!

I saw no evidence in that article that links Mexico to this..... and all the information on the Canadian side of things are pointing more towards us then Mexico......

Now why do you suppose they want to quickly blame Mexico? Because it's far easier to label Mexico as terrorists then it is to label Canada.....

......To help with the propaganda to build that giant border fence they want up to keep you all in and everyone else out.

But then once they put it up, they'll see that it wasn't Mexico but still say most of it was from them and then blame us for the rest..... and since you'll have the first one up already, it'd be easy to impliment the other fence along Canada........ all for your precious protection.....

I think you guys need to fence in your poloticians for your own protection, lol......

The funny thing is, a member on an online forum from Canada, knows more about this situation then the US government (Or at least compared to what they're telling you)

I do agree though..... they maybe growing there.... there maybe all kinds of pot plants all over the woods.... but there is no evidence of Mexico's involvement here that I see.... just acusations by political figures claiming they know.

Perhaps the reason why they know the terrain too well, is because it's not people from Mexico at all.... may it's US citizens growing them up there themselves? That's what most do here in Canada...... self grow ups in the woods..... it's easy to do and easy to maintain. Anybody can do it..... and how they describe this.... it sounds more like locals then forigners..... but hey.... it's easier to get the country on your side if you say it's forigners, not local citizens.... that would look like there's a slight devision of opinion in society.

I might have given what they were saying some credit if they didn't try and play that stupid Terrorism card of theirs..... blaitent propaganda to invoke fear in the unknown...... sickening....

I'm not here trying to defend weed..... although I somewhat am.... I'm regarding their resoning and flwed judgement.

I'll see if I can dig up those Canadian resources of my, I keep talking about..... because those might not be easy to just GO LOOK IT UP! as the sig sayz

[Praxius]

Added:

CTV.ca | B.C. pot activist arrested in extradition bid

BC Marijuana Party leader says if he goes to jail in the U.S., he'll die there

The B.C. Marijuana Party leader said Thursday if he's extradited to the U.S. to face drug charges, he'll never get out of prison alive. Marc Emery spoke in Vancouver after a judge set Sept.16 for the start of his extradition hearing. The U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency wants Emery extradited on charges of drug trafficking and money laundering, claiming he sold marijuana seeds to Americans over the internet. Emery said if he's sent to the U.S. he'll either die in jail or be murdered there. He said all Canadians will be complicit if the U.S. succeeds in extraditing him because Canadians have tacitly condoned his behaviour. Emery said he's been selling marijuana seeds for 11 years, during which time Canadians have benefited from the four million dollars he's given to various organizations. He called the U.S. DEA "a Nazi-like military organization."

Additional sources:

British Columbia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A 2006 study by the University of Victoria Centre for Addictions Research of BC and Simon Fraser University Applied Research on Mental Health and Addictions indicated cannabis use is more widespread among British Columbians than with the rest of Canadians.[17] Production and sale of the drug is estimated by the provincial Organized Crime Agency to be among the province's largest industries.[18] This is reflected in a "marijuana culture" in many parts of BC, to the extent that a provincial political party has been formed known as the British Columbia Marijuana Party. In Vancouver, there are at least four "Amsterdam-style" coffee houses where it is assumed that people can meet and openly smoke (but not purchase) marijuana. These shops, three of which are located in Vancouver's downtown area, have been the frequent target of police raids. The degree to which police turn a blind eye reflects how much the justice system can bear in terms of enforcing drug laws, however open use on the streets will still likely result in an arrest and confiscation. Although police may seem to tolerate cannabis use in some urban areas, the drug remains illegal throughout the province and controlling its spread remains an ongoing and much-debated legal issue in the province. The spread of indoor marijuana "grow ops" in suburban communities and their association with organized crime, much of which is controlled by the Hells Angels, continues to be a concern, although much production is done in highly decentralized "Mom-and-Pop"-type operations.

And here's the big Nugget:

Police track B.C. pot expertise south of the border

VANCOUVER-A different kind of brain drain is underway in B.C. as pot growers share their billions of dollars worth of skills with a worldwide audience. "We think they're exporting their expertise," said Supt. Paul Nadeau, director of the RCMP's national drug branch. "We've heard of it on an international scale." Nadeau says he's in regular contact with law-enforcement counterparts in the United States, Australia and New Zealand, and all report busting grow-ops with links, either direct or indirect, to organized crime groups operating in B.C. Ironically, it's enhanced border security in the post 9/11 U.S. that is driving the information-sharing and possibly adding an unintended front to America's "war on drugs." Why cross the border from Canada with a load of high-grade marijuana when you can find people willing and schooled in how to grow it for you in the U.S.? That may be the scenario playing out in a recent Washington state bust. U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency officers and police in King County took down a large grow-op ring three weeks ago, arresting seven people and seizing an estimated $5 million US of marijuana (4,991 plants) and more than $250,000 in cash. "Detectives believe all those houses raided are part of a large, criminal organization with connections to British Columbia," said Sgt. John Urquhart of the King County sheriffs department. "This is basically the 'B.C. bud' transplanted to Washington," Urquhart said. "This is not the first time." Urquhart was reluctant to expand on the nature of the connections and the organization involved. But when Nadeau was asked who in B.C. is exporting their skills, his answer was simple -"Everybody." "Everybody (organized crime groups)is into it (marijuana production)in B.C. There's a lot of money to be made," he said. A study released by the Fraser Institute in 2006 pegged the retail value of marijuana grown in B.C. at $7 billion and estimated there are at least 17,500 grow-ops in the province. Adam Otte, a DEA special agent, noted in Seattle District Court documents that the seven Vietnamese-American suspects arrested in Washington were seen at multiple grow-ops. "I believe they were an organized crime group of marijuana growers who helped tend their associate's grows," Otte stated. "It comes down to the business of huge profits," said Darryl Plecas, University College of the Fraser Valley criminology professor and author of the 2002 study Marihuana Operations in British Columbia. "What's happening there (in Washington State)is characteristic of organized crime in general. They go wherever there's an opportunity," Plecas said. Nor should it be surprising, says Julian Sher, award-winning author of The Road to Hell: How Biker Gangs Conquered Canada. Sher points to an example of intelligence sharing in his book, where he documents how a Hells Angel acquired a recipe for the drug speed in a California jail, then promptly exported that recipe to colleagues in Australia for production. "Technology, like drugs and money, flows very quickly in the organized crime world," said Sher. "It stands to reason that B.C., where the grow-ops are the biggest cash crop, that technology flows east and south." Vancouver Province

There you have it.... they're only giving you half the truth and the other half is for their own agenda.....

Mexicans? It's most likely your own citizens... getting help from your friendly neighborhood pot heads up north Man, your government must be starting to hate me..... is that a good thing?

Remember, if I ever mysteriously drop from this site without notification..... they got me.... and I must have been right about something

[arielmessenger]

I live in Humboldt County which for those of you who are not savvy to cannabis culture is the home of the original super-dooper sensimilla strains of cannabis indica. My partner and I came close to suing the cops in 1978 for taking our cannabis indica crop that was then "legal" because by law, only cannabis sativa is outlawed specifically in California and international law--not c. indica. We could trace the geneology of our plants directly back to Afghanistan.

Yes, here in Humboldt, mexican mafia have moved in to the area although low key except for reports from grows they do and get caught for in national forests, unlike most locals here. Diesel spills are getting to be a major problem here with indoor grows using big diesel-powered generators.

Idiot pot consumers haven't learned that eating it not only works better, lasts longer, easier on your lungs, and is ever so much cheaper, not needing buds to make really strong pot cookies.

[The Decider]

OMG, the US government has discovered crime sydicates ("mafia") involved in the production, distribution, and sale of an illegal substance? Call out the Marines!

Where is the terror connection? Does Osama have secret cells in the Sierra Nevada mountains growing first class bud? Actually a few tokes may chill those folks out a bit.

The War on Drugs and the War on Terror now appear identical, like two-sides of the same coin. If that's the case, the WOT just went up in smoke. Few operations have cost more money or failed more miserably than the War on Drugs.

[Yarn]

I don't see anyone contradicting that their Mexican. Yeah, expertise likely comes from BC, but that doesn't mean that those who are using it in this circumstance are. Mexico has lots of organized crime focused on drug traficking, and further more human traficking, it is completely plausible, and believed by most that this being done by Mexican criminals.

Neither do I see anyone claiming that they are using their guns for hunting. Doesn't mean they aren't, but does mean they probably aren't; its the kind of fact you would expect to see in news articles.
Drug czar gives warning : Local : Redding Record Searchlight
(Google searched: Operation Alesia Proof that they are Mexican, Operation Alesia hunting deer)

Marijuana is realitively unaddictive, and from my vague knowledge of it, decreases functionality. We have all seen what a disaster alchohol has been, killing millions, ruining ruining millions of lives, greatly due its decreasing functionality.

That not withstanding to what degree can the US prevent Marijuana use within its borders, and at what cost per benefit ratio.

16.8% of Canadians in 2004, said they had smoked Marijuana that year, while only 12.6% of Americans said they had. Probably those Canadian smoked more of it than those Americans, but for simplicities sake, we will ingore that. Use of alcohol and nicotine in both countries is about equal, which means we can isolate the variable here, and conclude that criminalization of Marijuana in the United States, has lead to its consumption being roughly 4.2% less prevalent.
World/Global Alcohol/Drink Consumption, 2007, Ireland and European Drink Price Comparisons : Finfacts Ireland
Canada: Canada Tops Study Of Marijuana Use
Joint Canada/United States Survey of Health: Findings and public-use microdata file: Analytical report

[Osborn F Enready]

Oh NO! Vegetables are being grown in the U.S.!

[Praxius]

Quote by: Yarn I don't see anyone contradicting that their Mexican. Yeah, expertise likely comes from BC, but that doesn't mean that those who are using it in this circumstance are. Mexico has lots of organized crime focused on drug traficking, and further more human traficking, it is completely plausible, and believed by most that this being done by Mexican criminals.

Border history would show that this kind of operation would be easier for Canadians to do, because of the lighter restrictions between US and Canada compared to US and Mexico..... Not that it's slack this way, but you guys do have a tendency to be more worried over Mexico more so......

Once again, there isn't anything saying it's Canadian or Mexican.... hell as mentioned, it could be all home grown for all they know.... they haven't arrested any suspects yet, so how do they know who is what?

I'm not saying Canada did it.... I'm just pointing that it's more probable considdering the recent facts.....

Neither do I see anyone claiming that they are using their guns for hunting. Doesn't mean they aren't, but does mean they probably aren't; its the kind of fact you would expect to see in news articles. Drug czar gives warning : Local : Redding Record Searchlight (Google searched: Operation Alesia Proof that they are Mexican, Operation Alesia hunting deer)

Well there ya go.

Marijuana is realitively unaddictive, and from my vague knowledge of it, decreases functionality. We have all seen what a disaster alchohol has been, killing millions, ruining ruining millions of lives, greatly due its decreasing functionality.

But see, you're putting Marijuana on a higher pedistal then Tobacco and Alchohol.... just because it was illegal.... that doesn't actually mean it is worse then those two drugs.... that's why there's such an uproar and protest from so many people around the world with strong cases for it to be legal..... because of misinformation.

I've been smoking for 10 years now, and I am doing quite well with both my health and my life. Checked out form the doctor not too long ago.... doing not too shabby I'm told.

Of course I don't represent the entire population that smoked weed.... much like how you shouldn't say that Marijuana decreases one's functionability, to me sounds like you're trying to say it does for everybody who smokes it.

That not withstanding to what degree can the US prevent Marijuana use within its borders, and at what cost per benefit ratio.

My only suggestion is just proper education so people can make their own informed decisions on it.

16.8% of Canadians in 2004, said they had smoked Marijuana that year, while only 12.6% of Americans said they had. Probably those Canadian smoked more of it than those Americans, but for simplicities sake, we will ingore that. Use of alcohol and nicotine in both countries is about equal, which means we can isolate the variable here, and conclude that criminalization of Marijuana in the United States, has lead to its consumption being roughly 4.2% less prevalent.

And.....?

Is that a good thing or bad thing? Does it mean we're worse off then you?

Here:

This was just reported today, which seems to me that pot seems to be getting a lot of air time here in Canada in the last two weeks alone..... :eek:

Canadians among highest in world pot use, says UN



Canadians among highest in world pot use, says UN

OTTAWA — Marijuana use in Canada is the highest in the industrialized world, far higher than in the Netherlands where it’s legal, and more than four times the global rate, a report by the United Nations has found. The report also says cannabis use around the world appears to have stabilized and appears to be declining in North America. A plunge in use by Ontario high school students was cited as a factor in the trend. The world drug-use study by the UN Office on Drugs and Crime said that 16.8 per cent of Canadians aged 15 to 64 smoked marijuana or used other cannabis products in 2004, the most recent year for which statistics were cited. Marijuana possession remains illegal in Canada, despite years of recommendations by parliamentarians to decriminalize it. As a result, tens of thousands of people have criminal records for possession. The study, using the most recent statistics collected from each country — although some dated back almost a decade — estimated that 3.8 per cent of the world’s population aged 15 to 64 used cannabis in 2005. That was about 159 million people, down slightly from 162 million the previous year. The data show Canadian usage fifth after Zambia (17.7 per cent in 2003), Ghana (21.5 per cent in 1998) and Papua New Guinea and Micronesia tied for first place at 29 per cent each in 1995. The Canadian statistics compared to 2005 rates of 8.7 per cent in England and Wales, 12.6 per cent in the United States, 8.5 per cent in Israel; 10.7 per cent in Jamaica (2001), and 6.1 per cent in the Netherlands (2001), where it is legal to buy and sell marijuana for personal use. In some countries in East and Southeast Asia, such as Korea and Singapore, and in the Middle East, such as Oman and Qatar, cannabis use is negligible. The report said cannabis comprises, by far, the largest illicit drug market on the planet. The study also noted a 38 per cent decline in cannabis use among U.S. 12th graders between 1979, when marijuana use peaked, and 2006. A 19 per cent drop in use by Ontario high school students between 2003 and 2005 was also noted. The report also said there was slightly less trafficking of cannabis from Canada into the United States in 2005. “This could indicate that cannabis production stabilized or even declined slightly in Canada, following large production increases in previous years,” the report said, citing Canadian government estimates. “Between 2000 and 2004, production Canada more than doubled.” However, the report also suggested that the altered trafficking trend could also indicate that organized crime groups have relocated to the American Pacific northwest and California to avoid tightened border controls. Forty per cent of Canadian cannabis is produced in British Columbia, 25 per cent in Ontario and 25 per cent in Quebec, the report noted.

WOOoooooo!!! Go Canada!! Yeah! Sock it to Amsterdam Baby!! Woooo.....

Who's the #1 Pot head in the World??? Yeah!!! MEE!!! WHoooo!!!

Bow before my clouds of green!!!!

That brings a whole new meaning to "I AM CANADIAN" I think Moosehead's gonna have to loose the slogan and slap it on pot......

mmmmmm..... Pot beer...... what a body stone that'd be..... hmmmmm.

[jose]

go look it up
Cool Beer: The Beers

Millennium Buzz Beer is a hemp-based red lager made with the finest B.C. hemp

[Praxius]

he he... I had a funny feeling it was already thought of.... thanks for the confirmation.....