Israel: The Most Racist Illegal Nation.

[smallpox]

Every country has a right to set their own immigration policy also many states has simmilar laws.Here is the list Right of return - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So Nazi Germany had the right to select citizenship based on "race" and deny citizenship to the Jews.
Because other countries do it it's ok? I mean, North Korea does the same thing.
For your list, either the countries have abandonned it, or there wouldn't be a conflict of interest if their OWN ethnic were to return to their country. So for like China, encouraging overseas Chinese is in no way an attempt to increase the Han majority (they already have a 92% majority), it looks more like a move in an attempt to get more skilled labour.

Sure that is why they Jews weren't happy when the Assyrian, Greeks, Persians, Babloyians, Romans, Turks, Christians and ARABS took their lands.

So you're admitting that two wrong make a right? So when buddy's father's father's father's (an so on) did something thousands of years ago, buddy should be fully accountable today for their action. He should not have chosen to be a of this decent while in the vacuum of pre-birth.

Nope both have valid claims; HENCE, a 2 state solution!

You call Israel/Palestine a solution?! It's a fucking disaster. Jews have as much claim to Israel as Americans have claims to England. It's not like you have to prove that you're of Jewish bloodline either. If you mother was Jewish, you basically get citizenship. What a claim. My grand-mother converted to Judaism, now it's like I've been wanting to go back for 2000 years! (**sigh**).

[GHook93]

Quote by: jose Many times you have told us here that your NOT religious, that you are an atheist. http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/breaking/103010.html

In the US Fair Housing Laws views Jews as a race. There are many non-religious Jews that view themselves as part of the Jewish race. I am one of them. I don't particularly believe in religion, but I see myself as part of the Jewish race, rather than part of the Jewish religion.

[smallpox]

The concept of a race is a shoddy one at best.

[GHook93]

Quote by: smallpox So Nazi Germany had the right to select citizenship based on "race" and deny citizenship to the Jews. Because other countries do it it's ok? I mean, North Korea does the same thing.

Nice try (actually it was a pretty pathetic try). The Nazi decided to commit mass-murder across Europe on current citizens. They weren't denying a right to citizenship, they were denying a person's right to live.

Every country including NK and Germanyhas a right to select their own immigration scheme.

For your list, either the countries have abandonned it, or there wouldn't be a conflict of interest if their OWN ethnic were to return to their country. So for like China, encouraging overseas Chinese is in no way an attempt to increase the Han majority (they already have a 92% majority), it looks more like a move in an attempt to get more skilled labour.

LOL, the Chinese need more skilled labor? LOL, a labor shortage is something the Land of a few billion people doesn't need!

You call Israel/Palestine a solution?! It's a fucking disaster. Jews have as much claim to Israel as Americans have claims to England. It's not like you have to prove that you're of Jewish bloodline either. If you mother was Jewish, you basically get citizenship. What a claim. My grand-mother converted to Judaism, now it's like I've been wanting to go back for 2000 years!

Ignorance is bliss I guess!

[GHook93]

Quote by: smallpox The concept of a race is a shoddy one at best.

Only to the uneducated!

[smallpox]

Nice try (actually it was a pretty pathetic try). The Nazi decided to commit mass-murder across Europe on current citizens. They weren't denying a right to citizenship, they were denying a person's right to live. Every country including NK and Germanyhas a right to select their own immigration scheme.

Hahaha. Your knowledge of history is pathetic. First they denied citizenship, then they started killing them.

In the years following the Nazi rise to power, many Jews fled the country and were encouraged to do so. By the time the Nuremberg Laws were passed in 1935, Jews were stripped of their German citizenship and denied government employment.

Nazi Germany - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
You also realise that your whole argument relies on the natural law idea that rights is a loose concept that is defined by one's "morals". Whatever the latter is suppose to mean (to me it just means making up your laws as you go). Rights are limited to the positive laws applied by the state of a country. Meaning that if Israel decides to be racist concerning immigration, that is a right, but then again if the Soviet Union made it a right that those who do not labour hard deserve the death penalty or deportation to Siberian labour camps, then by the same logic, it's not like we could scold them for it either.

LOL, the Chinese need more skilled labor? LOL, a labor shortage is something the Land of a few billion people doesn't need!

Actually, if you knew anything about China, you'd also happen to know that the majority of that population is rural and depends on farming. Many others are construction workers and other low end labour jobs. We can thank a less than adequate public education in the rural areas and a lack of University and admittance for the lack of skilled labour (it's harder to get into the Beijing University of Art than to get into Harvard Law). It's also part of China's wish to be more economically open to the rest of the world and get more skilled labour fluent in business languages rather than ESL graduates.

Ignorance is bliss I guess!

Yeah, 60 so years of violence and war. What a success.

Only to the uneducated!

Conceptions of race, as well as specific ways of grouping races, vary by culture and over time, and are often controversial for scientific as well as social and political reasons. Since the 1940s, most evolutionary scientists have rejected the view that race is a biologically meaningful concept.[citation needed] Some argue that although "race" is a valid taxonomic concept in other species, it cannot be applied to humans.[2] Mainstream scientists have argued that race definitions are imprecise, arbitrary, derived from custom, have many exceptions, have many gradations, and that the numbers of races delineated vary according to the culture making the racial distinctions; they thus reject the notion that any definition of race pertaining to humans can have taxonomic rigour and validity.[3] Today most scientists study human genotypic and phenotypic variation using more rigorous concepts such as "population" and "clinal gradation." Many anthropologists contend that while the features on which racial categorizations are made may be based on genetic factors, the idea of race itself, and actual divisions of persons into groups based on selected hereditary features, are social constructs,[4][5][6][7][8][9][10] whereas a new opinion among geneticists is that it should be a valid mean of classification, although in a modified form based on DNA analysis.[11][12][13][14]

Race - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yeah, what would us lowly educated scientists, biologists, sociologists, political scientists, and anthropologists know about the concept of race.

[billybobama]

Racial debates just bore the hell out of me. Just like abortion debates. Both subjects are issues for idiots.

[smallpox]

Racial debates just bore the hell out of me. Just like abortion debates. Both subjects are issues for idiots.

Haha, so next time I want to express my arguments, I'll try to consider how it will affect billybobama's level of boredom before presenting them.

[billybobama]

Quote by: smallpox Haha, so next time I want to express my arguments, I'll try to consider how it will affect billybobama's level of boredom before presenting them.

While you are at it do some reflection on how big of an idiot you are.

[smallpox]

While you are at it do some reflection on how big of an idiot you are.

Am I as big of an idiot as the guy with no arguments, going around calling others idiots without basis?

[shrike]

Quote by: smallpox So Nazi Germany had the right to select citizenship based on "race" and deny citizenship to the Jews.

Huh what are you talking about? Israel didn't revoked citizenship from anyone due their race or ethnicity.

Because other countries do it it's ok? I mean, North Korea does the same thing.

Why you single out Israel .Many democracies have similar laws. I don't you see post about Lithuania.

For your list, either the countries have abandonned it, or there wouldn't be a conflict of interest if their OWN ethnic were to return to their country. So for like China, encouraging overseas Chinese is in no way an attempt to increase the Han majority (they already have a 92% majority), it looks more like a move in an attempt to get more skilled labour.

So you say its ok for other countries but not ok for Israel? Most of the Jews move to Israel to find safe haven against a prosecution. If Israel existed in WW2 6 million Jews could be saved.

Note: Don't quote two diffenrent persons if one thread if you don't mentioning it
Its very confusing.TY

[shrike]

Special measures taken for the sole purpose of securing adequate advancement of certain racial or ethnic groups or individuals requiring such protection as may be necessary in order to ensure such groups or individuals equal enjoyment or exercise of human rights and fundamental freedoms shall not be deemed racial discrimination, provided, however, that such measures do not, as a consequence, lead to the maintenance of separate rights for different racial groups and that they shall not be continued after the objectives for which they were taken have been achieved.

Source:Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination Article I(4)
So according to International law its perfectly legal.

[jose]

Quote by: shrike Source:Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination Article I(4) So according to International law its perfectly legal.

Special measures taken for the sole purpose of securing adequate advancement of certain racial or ethnic groups or individuals requiring such protection as may be necessary in order to ensure such groups or individuals equal enjoyment or exercise of human rights and fundamental freedoms shall not be deemed racial discrimination, provided, however, that such measures do not, as a consequence, lead to the maintenance of separate rights for different racial groups and that they shall not be continued after the objectives for which they were taken have been achieved.

you might want to get that foot wound treated shrike

[shrike]

you might want to get that foot wound treated shrike

What are you talking about.Every one could get a naturalisation like in every other western democracy

[jose]

Quote by: shrike What are you talking about.Every one could get a naturalisation like in every other western democracy

Oh i´m learning something new, can the residents of Gaza or the displaced persons in refugee camps claim naturalisaton, and move back to thier homes? ¨like in every other western democracy¨

[shrike]

Oh i´m learning something new, can the residents of Gaza or the displaced persons in refugee camps claim naturalisaton

,
Do you know what naturilisation is?

and move back to thier homes?

If their have a land deed and legally own the property.I think they can move in.

[jose]

Quote by: shrike , Do you know what naturilisation is? If their have a land deed and legally own the property.I think they can move in.

i think its French for Naturalization
Naturalization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
CRIMES AND CORRUPTION OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER NEWS: Wiping whom off the Map??

On the Palestinian front Israeli government had adopted a three-dimensional graduated genocidal policy. First comes uprooting Palestinians from their land and towns and transferring them to neighboring countries. Second is perpetrating massacres and ethnic cleansing through military incursions, shelling, and air raids against Palestinian communities to coerce the rest of them to immigrate. Third is the distortion and destruction of all physical, cultural, and historical evidence tying Palestinians to the land. Palestinian villages have been completely demolished (wiped off existence), Palestinian culture was hijacked and many had been claimed to be Jewish, and history was distorted to reflect Palestinians as invader terrorist Muslim tribes from the Saudi Desert that never had any right in God’s Promised Land. Israel has sought to negate, falsify, demonize and wipe off every aspect of Palestinian life to a point where ex Israeli PM Golda Meier stated in 1969: “There is no such thing as Palestinians, they never existed.”

The policy of wiping Palestine off the map and wiping Palestinians off existence had been adopted early since the founding of Zionism. Here follows quotes of only few of noted Zionist leaders. Theodor Herzl, father of political Zionism, had written in his diaries in 1898, “The Palestinians would be spirited across the border.” Israel Zangwill, a British Zionist Jew, is known for his slogan “A land without a people for a people without a land” describing Zionist dream of Israeli state in Palestine. This slogan, though, was invented by a Zionist British Member of Parliament Lord Shaftsbury, who in 1853 wrote to Foreign Minister Aberdeen that Greater Syria was “a country without a nation in need of a nation without a country… the ancient and rightful lords of the soil, the Jews”.

Chaim Weitzman, the first president of Israel, saw no room for Palestinians in Palestine. In his autobiography, “Trial and Error”, he wrote “Palestine will become as Jewish as England is English.”

In chapter four of his book, “Birth of Palestinian Refugee Problem”, Israeli historian Benny Morris wrote about Yousef Weitz, the director of the Jewish National Fund’s Land Department, a man noted for his strong Zionist convictions. Weitz wrote in his diary on December 20th 1940: “It must be clear that there is no room in the country for both people (Palestinians and Jews) … the only solution is a Land of Israel, at least a western Land of Israel without Arabs. There is no room here for compromise … There is no way but to transfer the Arabs from here to the neighboring countries … Not one village must be left, nor one Bedouin tribe.” In 1948 Weitz was given the task of creating the “Transfer Committee”, which supervised the destruction of evacuated Arab villages, and repopulating others with recent Jewish immigrants in order to make any return of Palestinian refugees to their villages impossible.

Many Palestinian villages, which survived destruction during 1948 war, were later erased (wiped off) after the war. Records of the Association of Archeological Survey, housed in the Rockefeller Museum in Jerusalem, show that a plan to wipe off Palestinian villages was implemented jointly by the Israeli Lands Administration and the Jewish National Fund in 1965, and was carried on for several years. The plan intended to wipe off all traces of Palestinian villages in order to destroy any hope for the Palestinian refugees to return to their homes.

The Israeli Association of Archaeological Survey was established in 1964 to issue permits for the destruction of Palestinian villages. By 1967 this association had approved the wiping off of about 100 villages inside 1948-occupied Palestine (Israel). After 1967 the Association turned its attention to destroy Palestinian villages in West Bank and Golan heights. On December 2006 Roni Bar-On, Israeli Interior Minister declared his ministry’s approval on a plan to demolish more than 42,000 homes of Palestinian Bedouins in Negev Desert. This plan will wipe off 45 Palestinian villages housing more than 86,000 Palestinian Bedouins, who in 1958 were evacuated out of their land and confined to a piece of land in the desert known as the Triangle. Although paying taxes to Israeli government like any other town, these 45 villages were not recognized by the Israeli government, and received no civil services at all.

The destruction of Palestinian history and culture, and the wiping off Palestinian names of towns and replacing them with Jewish names was accelerated to a point where Moshe Dyan, a previous Israeli Defense Minister, bragged about it in a lecture he gave at the Technion University in Haifa in March 19th 1969. He stated: “we came here to a country that was populated by Arabs, and we are building here a Hebrew, a Jewish state; instead of the Arab villages, Jewish villages were established. You even do not know the names of those villages, and I do not blame you because these villages no longer exist. There is no single Jewish settlement that was not established in the place of a former Arab Village. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not here either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul, Kibbutz Gv’at in the place of Jibta, Kibbutz Sared in the place of Huneifis, and Yehushua in the place of Tel al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population.” (Haaratz, April 4th, 1969).

[shrike]

i think its French for Naturalization Naturalization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So you understand that Gaza citizen don't fit for this definition.
Here for example British one(from your source)

For those married to a British citizen the applicant must: hold indefinite leave to remain in the UK (or an equivalent such as Right of Abode or Irish citizenship) have lived legally in the UK for three years been outside of the UK no more than 90 days during the one-year period prior to filing the application. show sufficient knowledge of life in the UK, either by passing the Life in the United Kingdom test or by attending combined English language and citizenship classes. Proof of this must be supplied with one's application for naturalisation. Those aged 65 or over may be able to claim exemption. meet specified English, Welsh or Scottish Gaelic language competence standards. Those who pass the Life in the UK test are deemed to meet English language requirements. For those not married to a British citizen the requirements are: five years legal residence in the UK been outside of the UK no more than 90 days during the one-year period prior to filing the application. indefinite leave to remain or equivalent must have been held for 12 months the applicant must intend to continue to live in the UK or work overseas for the UK government or a British corporation or association. the same language and knowledge of life in the UK standards apply as for those married to British citizens

Please post a source to you propaganda I doubt you write it yourself also use quotes.

[jose]

The Law of Return (1950) grants every Jew, wherever he or she may be, the right to come to Israel as an oleh (a Jew immigrating to Israel) and become an Israeli citizen. For the purposes of this Law, "Jew" means a person who was born of a Jewish mother or has converted to Judaism and is not a member of another religion.

Acquisition of Israeli Nationality
So a Russian emigrant has the right to live in the former Palestine but not someone born there, if they happen to be born a Muslim, sounds Racist to me

[shrike]

So a Russian emigrant has the right to live in the former Palestine but not someone born there, if they happen to be born a Muslim, sounds Racist to me

No if they happen to be anyone else they can apply for Naturalization
Read the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination Article I(4) again.