Israel: The Most Racist Illegal Nation.

[Tashah]

Quote by: arielmessenger The first cause of conflict in the I-P conflict is the imposing of partition of Palestine on the indigenous Palestinian peoples without their say or approval. That was the original moral error that has caused everything wrong in Israel. If Israel had gotten permission for the partition by Palestinians it would a different matter but they didn't and we all know why they and Europe and American leaders didn't even attempt to bring Palestinians into the equation. They didn't count. They didn't matter. They were Arabs. Europeans always mattered more.

A perfect exemplar here of what I was talking about. Playing the blame-game and reality-averse. Typical unproductive pablum.

Quote by: arielmessenger There is only one survival plan, the Canaan Peace Plan, for Israelis now but their religious narcissism won't allow them to concede moral defeat. They will do anything to justify their immorality in my debating experience. And as we have seen already posted on Volconvo, Zionist Jews are quite willing to kill themselves and take down millions with them in order to protect the Cult. A very sick paranoid cult mindset that has no place in power in the modern world.

Agenda rich, but intellectually bland. I don't do the sticks-and-stones routine. Whenever you're prepared to fire up those dormant neurons, we can proceed.

[smallpox]

The Partition was done by UN.Arabs didnt accept it and invaded newly created state.And what invasion "West Bank and the Gaza" are you talking about? All the Jews that lived there were ethnically cleansed.

Because the UN did it, it's right? And why do you need to repeat what I just said?

It was know by Land of Israel by many people for 3000 years.And why the Ottaman is authority?

Why would the British or the Greeks have authority? The Ottoman occupied the land for 400 years most recently.

There is enough historical and archeological evidence about Jewish country in Israel. Bible is not history book.

So archaeological evidence is justice for invasion?

What are you talking about? There were majority of Jews in a partitioned Jewish state that demanded their independence. Also read about Israel Independence war so you will spout nonsense about Gaza and West Bank.

I know what you're going to say. The Islamics struck first, so the Jews "bought" The West Bank...

No you didn’t praise England every day and you didn’t dream about returning England during 2000 years. You lost you English identity by becoming American. Anyway Zionism was the only option to the Jews for their self-identification. No one wanted to accept them as equal. So only in their own state they could be free from prosecution.

How does anyone dream for 2000 years? Again, this is irrelevant. I'm not American, we still speak English. Jews became citizens of many different countries....
It's easy to be generous with other's land. Give them a territory in the US or England. Problem solved.

[shrike]

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Because the UN did it, it's right? And why do you need to repeat what I just said?

So what is right by your definition? You didn’t answered about imaginary invasion to West Bank and Gaza.

Why would the British or the Greeks have authority? The Ottoman occupied the land for 400 years most recently.

So? If the occupied the land according to your logic maybe it theirs?

So archaeological evidence is justice for invasion?

What invasion? When I buy house does it invasion?

I know what you're going to say. The Islamics struck first, so the Jews "bought" The West Bank

What are you talking about? Did you read about 1947-8 War?

How does anyone dream for 2000 years? Again, this is irrelevant. I'm not American, we still speak English

It does relevant Jews still very strong connection to land of Israel.Much more than any ethnicity in diospora it become a part of relegion.

Jews became citizens of many different countries

And there were prosecuted there. Only in their own country they could be free from prosecution.That is one of the main reason that Zionism was created.

It's easy to be generous with other's land

Who is that other? The Turks or the British?

Give them a territory in the US or England.

There is already states in this territories. There was no independent state since destruction of last Jewish state.

[smallpox]

So what is right by your definition? You didn’t answered about imaginary invasion to West Bank and Gaza.

Right is an individual definition that rarely happen to become an ethic.

So? If the occupied the land according to your logic maybe it theirs?

Sure, but don't expect the victims of imperialism to be happy about it.

What invasion? When I buy house does it invasion?

It's moving people of a certain ethnic group in order to purposely form a majority in a territory and in turn gain control of it that way. We're saying it's unlawful right now when China's supposedly doing it to Tibet, but let's all turn a blind eye towards the Jews in Israel.

You know what a great connection to a land is (I mean, beyond wishing you were there?) Living on that land. Thus Arab claims > Jewish claim at the time of the Zionist movement at its zeal.

[smallpox]

And there were prosecuted there. Only in their own country they could be free from prosecution.That is one of the main reason that Zionism was created.

Are they persecuted in the States? Quebecors were persecuted, let's give them their own land along with Aboriginals, and Gypsies. The Chinese were probably even more executed than all of the above, let's give them even MORE land. Why does it always end at the Jews and Israel?

Who is that other? The Turks or the British?

The Zionist movement

There is already states in this territories. There was no independent state since destruction of last Jewish state.

There's a Jewish state in the US?! Which one is that?

[shrike]

Right is an individual definition that rarely happen to become an ethic

You still didn’t explained to me why this specific UN decision is wrong?

Sure, but don't expect the victims of imperialism to be happy about it.

So let make it clear you think this Land of Israel should belong to turkey? Right?

It's moving people of a certain ethnic group in order to purposely form a majority in a territory and in turn gain control of it that way. We're saying it's unlawful right now when China's supposedly doing it to Tibet, but let's all turn a blind eye towards the Jews in Israel.

There is a difference there was a state decree about it. Jews moved on their own free will without any state telling them to do it.
Also Arabs did it too back than why it was ok?

You know what a great connection to a land is (I mean, beyond wishing you were there?) Living on that land. Thus Arab claims > Jewish claim at the time of the Zionist movement at its zeal.

I don't understand Why Arab claim is lesser than Jewish claim?

Are they persecuted in the States

Yes they do. Much less but still. Also Germen Jews had all rights and have pretty peaceful life until Hitler came.

Quebecors were persecuted, let's give them their own land along with Aboriginals, and Gypsies.

Why not? It would be fare solution.

Chinese were probably even more executed than all of the above, let's give them even MORE land

They already have the own state.

The Zionist movement

Could you explain what do you mean by that becouse I lost you.

There's a Jewish state in the US?! Which one is that?

Did I said Jewish? Contrary to Land of Israel that was ruled by turkish empire in US and Britian there were already independent states there.

[jose]

Quote by: shrike [ It does relevant Jews still very strong connection to land of Israel.Much more than any ethnicity in diospora it become a part of relegion.

Many times you have told us here that your NOT religious, that you are an atheist.


who owned the land 2000 years ago has little to do with driving people off the land they where born on, so people can move in from Russia, and deny the inhabitants not only the right to be citizens of the new country, due to their religion, which is racism
in fact Palestinians are persecuted by the very people who complained of being..persecuted

Some Jewish people don't want to go there even for money

Offers ranging from 5,000-30,000 British pounds, financed by a wealthy expatriate Jew with the support of the Israeli government, were turned down by Iran's Jewish leaders, the Guardian reported. Instead, the country's Jews pledged their loyalty to Iran. "The identity of Iranian Jews is not tradeable for any amount of money," the Society of Iranian Jews said in a statement. "Iranian Jews are among the most ancient Iranians. Iran's Jews love their Iranian identity and their culture, so threats and this immature political enticement will not achieve their aim of wiping out the identity of Iranian Jews." Iran's Jewish population is the largest of any country in the Middle East besides Israel.

http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/breaking/103010.html

[shrike]

Many times you have told us here that your NOT religious, that you are an atheist

So? I said that I am agnostic. Its still didn’t change the fact it became part of the religion and because religion is main part of Jewish culture it relevant as a cultural connection. and it has nothing to do with existence of god.

who owned the land 2000 years ago has little to do with driving people off the land they where born on

Please stop distorting history. No one drove anyone out. If Arabs wouldn’t brutally invaded newly created state.There would be no 23 Arab state and no refuge problem

so people can move in from Russia, and deny the inhabitants not only the right to be citizens of the new country, due to their religion, which is racism

Arabs was proposed their own state many times and were denied. Also Arabs that decided to stay in Israel have full rights according to law. And what it has to do with religion. Zionism is mostly secular movement.

Some Jewish people don't want to go there even for money

Maybe they afraid?You know they live totalitarian theocracy.

At the time of the 1979 Islamic Revolution, 80,000 still remained in Iran. From then on, Jewish emigration from Iran dramatically increased, as about 20,000 Jews left within several months after the Islamic Revolution.[20] On March 16, 1979, Habib Elghanian, the honorary leader of the Jewish community, was arrested on charges of "corruption", "contacts with Israel and Zionism", "friendship with the enemies of God", "warring with God and his emissaries", and "economic imperialism". He was tried by an Islamic revolutionary tribunal, sentenced to death, and executed on May 8.[20][23] History of the Jews in Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now its pretty clear why they refused...

[jose]

Quote by: shrike Please stop distorting history. No one drove anyone out. Also Arabs that decided to stay in Israel have full rights according to law. .

I´m sure thats what youve been taught
could an Israeli arab legaly marry a Jew?

[shrike]

I´m sure thats what youve been taught

Well I also been tought that earth is not flat.What your point?

could an Israeli arab legaly marry a Jew?

Yes if they leave together more than six months there a considered to be married couple.

[arielmessenger]

Quote by: Tashah A perfect exemplar here of what I was talking about. Playing the blame-game and reality-averse. Typical unproductive pablum. Agenda rich, but intellectually bland. I don't do the sticks-and-stones routine. Whenever you're prepared to fire up those dormant neurons, we can proceed.

Tashah's response above is a perfect exemplar of what I posted yesterday: "My experience with Israeli apologists is that they will do anything to divert attention away from moral responsibility for Israeli actions against Palestinians."

Tashah says she doesn't do "the sticks-and-stones" routine but wants me to fire up my dormant neurons that seem to have fired off accusations against Israelis that she doesn't want to answer.

And Shrike here almost totally ignoring my posts about the Ashkenazi fraud posing as "Semitic Hebrews" with "history" in the Israel. Foreign occupiers, that's all the vast majority of Israelis are. Only the Palestinian Jews who were there before 1947 have any right to be there and they were there as a distinct minority population.

Ehhhh... I am getting so sick of Israeli and Zionist Jewish Cult crap inflicted on our world!

Please! Everyone one of you Volconvo members who is sick and tired along with me of this endless Israeli-Palestinian conflict that we all know is due to the gross imposition by force of European Jews on the Semitic Palestinian population.

Read the Israeli archeologists themselves who say there was no Exodus, no big kingdoms of David and Solomon, no Greater Israel, all tribal myths that Jews are using today along with Evangelical Christians to kill Semitic peoples with. It's sick all the way around and the sooner the religions of Judaism, Pauline Christianity and Islam are exposed as religious frauds, the sooner the world will breathe easier and safer from Abrahamic religious fanatics be they Zionist Jews, Evangelical neo-Cons, or Muslim suicide bombers.

[GHook93]

How were they treated in Egypt again? LOL, is there even a comparison! The kindest of these individuals warms my heart, but the usual suspects (Jose, Iban, Athena, PH) will ignore this.

Families take in Sudanese refugees | Jerusalem Post

Families take in Sudanese refugees By SHEERA CLAIRE FRENKEL Print Subscribe E-mail Toolbar Dozens of Sudanese refugee families are being lodged in private homes across the country, in an effort to thwart the government's plan to move them to a camping site outside the Ketziot prison this week. Volunteers have been quietly arranging for refugee families to move into the homes since early last week, when Prime Minister Ehud Olmert announced that most of them would be deported to Egypt. "Until their safety is assured, we cannot deport them," said Elisheva Milikosky, a student activist from Beersheba who has helped house the refugees. "If we, a group of students, can find kind families to take these people in, why can't the government, with its infinite resources, come up with something better than a detention camp at Ketziot and eventually deportation to Egypt?" An official at the Public Security Ministry told The Jerusalem Post the camping site would be ready by early next week. "It is up to police to decide when to begin moving the refugees to the site," said the official. He added that only "floaters," as he described those refugees who have not been absorbed into some type of program, would be moved to the site. Volunteers have been scrambling to find solutions for those "floaters" to minimize the number of people sent to Ketziot. Those solutions are happening on a case-by-case basis, with organizations around the country pitching in to offer room, board and occasionally jobs for the refugees. Last week, there were more than 200 refugees in Beersheba. However, an inquiry by the Post showed that on Sunday, only a handful were left, as almost all had been moved to other locations throughout the country. Since the refugees have no status in Israel, most of their housing has been arranged by private organizations and volunteers. The legality of moving refugees to private homes has been questioned, however, since volunteers are declining to reveal the exact locations of the refugees.

[smallpox]

There is a difference there was a state decree about it. Jews moved on their own free will without any state telling them to do it. Also Arabs did it too back than why it was ok?

Chinese people move on their own free will after being strongly encouraged by their society. Same thing goes with Israelis with the old persecution and promised land rhetoric. When did the Arabs ever do this? After the Israelis left? And two wrongs don't make a right. Also, the it's not like the government of Israel is discouraging ethnic profiling when deciding who can immigrate into Israel. They even admit it in their own laws:
"Law of Return, which permits any Jew the legal right to assisted immigration and settlement in Israel, as well as automatic Israeli citizenship."
Aliyah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"...the legislation grants preferential treatment to Jews with the aim of facilitating their immigration to what the State of Israel views as the Jews' ancestral...Also Jews converting to other religions lose their right to citizenship under the Law of Return, (e.g. Brother Daniel)."
Law of Return - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
And it all checks out in their own for-baden laws:
Israel's Law Of Return Giving Every Jew The Right To Automatically Acquire Citizenship

While "Palestinians" were forced into refugee status in Israel or migrant worker:
"In attempt to prevent Palestinian residency, workers were required to return home each night, though in practice this requirement was not always followed (Bartram 1998)."
Palestinian immigration (Israel) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Way to go Israel! It's totally fair that their laws specifically favours Jewish Immigration and discourages the growth of a Palestinian population. Man, they sure know how to make themselves likable to any neighbor nation they have to interact with.

[arielmessenger]

to see that this religion doesn't give a flying f..ck about anyone else. Oh, yes, when Jews thought themselves a victimized minority in America Jewish activists got into minority rights activism but look now, decades later and see far fewer Jewish activists concerned with racial integration issues, immigration issues, etc, because They have Arrived! They're owners of exclusive golf clubs now where they were once barred from membership.
So out goes the great Jewish activist push..the Cult is in power now and really does think they can do anything.. even create a war against a billion Muslims using Christians and Muslims as cannon fodder..

[shrike]

Chinese people move on their own free will after being strongly encouraged by their society. Same thing goes with Israelis with the old persecution and promised land rhetoric. When did the Arabs ever do this? After the Israelis left? And two wrongs don't make a right. Also, the it's not like the government of Israel is discouraging ethnic profiling when deciding who can immigrate into Israel. They even admit it in their own laws: "Law of Return, which permits any Jew the legal right to assisted immigration and settlement in Israel, as well as automatic Israeli citizenship." Aliyah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia "...the legislation grants preferential treatment to Jews with the aim of facilitating their immigration to what the State of Israel views as the Jews' ancestral...Also Jews converting to other religions lose their right to citizenship under the Law of Return, (e.g. Brother Daniel)." Law of Return - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia And it all checks out in their own for-baden laws: Israel's Law Of Return Giving Every Jew The Right To Automatically Acquire Citizenship While "Palestinians" were forced into refugee status in Israel or migrant worker: "In attempt to prevent Palestinian residency, workers were required to return home each night, though in practice this requirement was not always followed (Bartram 1998)." Palestinian immigration (Israel) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Way to go Israel! It's totally fair that their laws specifically favours Jewish Immigration and discourages the growth of a Palestinian population. Man, they sure

Every country has a right to set their own immigration policy also many states has simmilar laws.Here is the list
Right of return - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[arielmessenger]

Quote by: shrike Every country has a right to set their own immigration policy also many states has simmilar laws.Here is the list Right of return - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) article 13 states that "[e]veryone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each State. Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country."

Pals are treated as foreigners in their own land while real foreigners, European, American, African, you name it, Jewish immigrants are given full citizenship status. Again, the racist narcissistic mentality of Judaism in action. Our people always matter more than anyone else.

[shrike]

"The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) article 13 states that "[e]veryone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each State. Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country." Pals are treated as foreigners in their own land while real foreigners, European, American, African, you name it, Jewish immigrants are given full citizenship status. Again, the racist narcissistic mentality of Judaism in action. Our people always matter more than anyone else.

There were never citizens of the country so its irrelevant.

[arielmessenger]

You parade your Zionist racism continually on these boards and I for one and sick and tired of your lack of morality.

You seem to forget Israelis don't have a country either as they have no constitution and no defined borders. God, the racist narcissism of Zionist Jewish prejudice against Arabs is so utterly disgusting in this day and age yet it continues on because on the strength of Evangelical Christians like Bush supporting the ever present Zionists with their Israeli agenda.

Your religion is sick, Shrike, and every post you post only exposes the racist core of Zionist belief.

[arielmessenger]

Shrike is a perfect example of European Ashkenazi Jewish converts posing as "Semitic Jews" in order to claim the Holy Land as their own. Please, Volconvo members who honor truth and justice, do not let these Zionists keep showering us with their racist propaganda against Arab Muslim Palestinians and Arabs in general.

You know, in every major internet discussion forum I've been on there seems to be Zionist watchdogs always there to post the Zionist refutation of posts complaining about Israel. I have a Beliefnet member friend who told me once that he had an Israeli tell him that they have anti-Zionist search engines going all the time to spot anti-Zionist posts and posters. They tracked him to his e-mail account and one tracked me to my house address and phone number. These people are seriously trying to counter anti-Zionist expression. Good luck there! Israel policies only guarantee more and more anti-Zionist expression.

[GHook93]

Quote by: smallpox Sure, but don't expect the victims of imperialism to be happy about it.

Sure that is why they Jews weren't happy when the Assyrian, Greeks, Persians, Babloyians, Romans, Turks, Christians and ARABS took their lands.

It's moving people of a certain ethnic group in order to purposely form a majority in a territory and in turn gain control of it that way. We're saying it's unlawful right now when China's supposedly doing it to Tibet, but let's all turn a blind eye towards the Jews in Israel.

LOL See above

You know what a great connection to a land is (I mean, beyond wishing you were there?) Living on that land. Thus Arab claims > Jewish claim at the time of the Zionist movement at its zeal

Nope both have valid claims; HENCE, a 2 state solution!