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Old Jul 13, 2007, 04:47 pm   #101 (permalink) (top)
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....? Israelis. Who else?
Yes of course Jews are they invaders :rolleyes: they returned to their homeland that there etnically cleansed from it. And wanted to live in peace with local population even though their ancestors illegally occupied the land.
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." I'm sure my ancestors had roots in Anatolia thousands of years ago, let's make it part of France.
Did all French have a roots in Anatolia. Did French has no country and scattered around the world?
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Old Jul 13, 2007, 04:59 pm   #102 (permalink) (top)
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....? Israelis. Who else? "We lived here 1000 years ago, who cares what happened in the meanwhile, or who established themselves there, we're more righteous than the people of Syria and our needs are above theirs." I'm sure my ancestors had roots in Anatolia thousands of years ago, let's make it part of France.
The Turks took control for 400 years, should they then lay claim to the lands over the Arabs/Palestines with that thinking.
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Old Jul 13, 2007, 05:00 pm   #103 (permalink) (top)
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Yes of course Jews are they invaders they returned to their homeland that there etnically cleansed from it. And wanted to live in peace with local population even though their ancestors illegally occupied the land.
Hahahahahaha. They lived somewhere and expect their property to be safe guarded for a thousand years and left nice and empty until they return. Illegally? Do you even understand that legality of the subject? Laws are limited to those given out by an institution to its people. I'll just make a law that unables people to take up vacant land....? If the institution has no jurisdiction over the people of a location, then any laws they might come up with (even if a "thou shalt not settle on this land unless thou art Jew" law existed) is null. We can't all of a sudden make a legislation and force it on the English House of Commons because lots of Americans have "roots" in England.
It's funny how not only did the Israelis expect to still have claim over Syria, but they also expect the Syrians to take it up the a** and not say anything in return. Oh please, take my land, it's only fair after something that happened thousands of years ago by a different people that I should somehow feel responsible for because I happened to have been born here.

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Did all French have a roots in Anatolia. Did French has no country and scattered around the world?
Did all Jews have their "roots" in Syria? What about Ethiopia, Saudi Arabia or Egypt?
Most Europeans originated from Anatolia and migrated as landless people into Europe thousands of years ago. I mean, what sets the limit? The Jews?


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Old Jul 13, 2007, 05:04 pm   #104 (permalink) (top)
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In response to the orignal post #1 and topic....

Regardless if those shells that were being signed by children were ment for other civilians or for millitants, the point is, what kind of image are you trying to portray by promotting children to sign names and promote the deaths of other people?
First of all, no one has discerned the date of those pics to my satisfaction. Secondly, everyone so far assumes that they were used in warfare. They could just as easily have been used for practice rounds.

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Bringing in children to a war is sick, using them for propaganda purposes is sick, exposing them to war as being a normal and ok thing is sick.....
I agree with this philosophy. What troubles me though, is that you make no mention here of Palestine TV's Mickey Mouse. Are you familiar with that? Shall I bring you up to speed?

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When someone comes on here and speaks their mind, if something doesn't add up, I'll either ask or I'll look up myself what they are talking about.... but nobody here seems to have that same trait.... they want it all spoon fed to them....
I love dropping citations! You and I will get along just fine :)

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I also remember hearing and reading a few of those quotes myself, so they exist somewhere.... someone had to have said them, and if he's supplied dates, names and the sort, then it shouldn't be too hard to look up.
They may be legit, but look at the dates! Jeesh. Doesn't he have anything a bit more current? Take for instance a snippet from Ehud Olmert's June 6, 2007 interview with The Guardian....

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"Israel is prepared to make painful concessions to pay the price for a lasting and just peace that will allow the people of the Middle East to live in dignity and security. But as strong and resourceful as Israelis are, we cannot make peace alone."
1967: Israel cannot make peace alone | Guardian daily comment | Guardian Unlimited

There. Now isn't that better? A whole bag of chips and more.

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Is Israel a racist country? I'd believe it.... there's been too much over the last few decades I have seen that would gear in this direction..... ask me for proof, I'll ask you to go look it up.
Like Arabs, Israelis are also Semites. Therefore, charges of racism are absurd. Racism? I've got hundreds of digital pictures of Israelis. Skin tones range from lilly white to dark mahogany. What exactly are you refering to when you say racist? It doesn't seem to be genetics.

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And if these quotes are indeed true, then it also proves they are racist..... if you got people in authority positions telling the population to do and act as the above quotes show, then that's pretty blaitently racist.
None of those quotes are from Israelis in the current government. Why do you paint all Israelis with such a broad brush? Could it be due to your own racism? Personally, I find this sort of innuendo offensive in the extremis.


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Old Jul 13, 2007, 05:10 pm   #105 (permalink) (top)
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They lived somewhere and expect their property to be safe guarded for a thousand years and left nice and empty until they return.
There were not just lived somewhere.There were etnicly cleansed from the land.And whats wrong after many generations wanting the property back?The Jews bought the land they settled in.Why its wrong?
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It's funny how not only did the Israelis expect to still have claim over Syria, but they also expect the Syrians to take it up the a** and not say anything in return. Oh please, take my land, it's only fair after something that happened thousands of years ago by a different people that I should somehow feel responsible for because I happened to have been born here
Israel have no territorial claims toward Syria. What are you talking about?
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Did all Jews have their "roots" in Syria? What about Ethiopia, Saudi Arabia or Egypt?
I don't know about Syria but many Jews have Semitic links. I don't know about other countries there were no such analysis that I know.
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Most Europeans originated from Anatolia and migrated as landless people into Europe thousands of years ago. I mean, what sets the limit? The Jews?
I say the limit is cultural Jews were always was connected to Israel and always remembered that they will return to it someday.
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Old Jul 13, 2007, 05:21 pm   #106 (permalink) (top)
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There were not just lived somewhere.There were etnicly cleansed from the land.And whats wrong after many generations wanting the property back?The Jews bought the land they settled in.Why its wrong?
They bought it from the English, not from the people of the land and they were ethnically cleansed by the romans as well as the Arabs. Try invading Italy next time.
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Israel have no territorial claims toward Syria. What are you talking about?
Palestine is actually part of Syria. The division of Syria and Palestine was made up bullsh** by the English. Little that you know, in fact Israelis took a chunk of Syria and called it Israel.

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I don't know about Syria but many Jews have Semitic links. I don't know about other countries there were no such analysis that I know.
Jews were kicked out of Saudi Arabia at the same time as Israel. Egypt is the mother of all roots for all Jews. Ethiopia has always had special ties to Israel and even have their own branch of the Jewish faith. The matter is that having "roots" is no justice for invasion of land. I have roots in France, all Christians have roots in Israel, most Americans have roots in England, First Nations have roots in Siberia, and we all have roots in Africa. But none of that matter, the only thing that matters is Jews having roots in Israel....

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I say the limit is cultural Jews were always was connected to Israel and always remembered that they will return to it someday.
Hey look, we still speak English, let's claim England as our "promised" land.


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Old Jul 13, 2007, 05:34 pm   #107 (permalink) (top)
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They bought it from the English, not from the people of the land and they were ethnically cleansed by the romans as well as the Arabs. Try invading Italy next time.
They bought it from landowners. And there were not English.
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Palestine is actually part of Syria. The division of Syria and Palestine was made up bullsh** by the English.
Do you have something that will substantiateyour claim?

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Little that you know, in fact Israelis took a chunk of Syria and called it Israel
And who you to decide?
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Jews were kicked out of Saudi Arabia at the same time as Israel.
Source to that? Most of the Jews in first-second century were in Israel.
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Egypt is the mother of all roots for all Jews
I hope you have reliable source to this (bible is not)
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The matter is that having "roots" is no justice for invasion of land
No one invaded anything. When I buy a land do I invade to it?
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I have roots in France, all Christians have roots in Israel, most Americans have roots in England, First Nations have roots in Siberia, and we all have roots in Africa. But none of that matter, the only thing that matters is Jews having roots in IsraelHey look, we still speak English, let's claim England as our "promised" land.
Do you parents tell you about the England as a homeland? Israel is integral part of Jewish culture.Does England is more Important in French culture than France? But I agree that all this is irrelevant. What is relevant that Israel was legally created by UN and that all that matter.
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Old Jul 13, 2007, 06:05 pm   #108 (permalink) (top)
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They bought it from landowners. And there were not English.
Except that the majority of the land acquired by the Jews weren't through individual purchases but by the 1947 partition of the "Palestinian" territory and then armed invasion of places like the West Bank and the Gaza.

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Do you have something that will substantiateyour claim?
"Henceforth the term Palestinian will be used when referring to the Arabs of the former mandated Palestine, excluding Israel. Although the Arabs of Palestine had been creating and developing a Palestinian identity for about 200 years, the idea that Palestinians form a distinct people is relatively recent. The Arabs living in Palestine had never had a separate state. …"
Palestine :: The term "Palestinian" --  Encyclopaedia Britannica

"The term Palestine is derived from the name of the Philistines, a people of uncertain origins, possibly Aegean, who, in the 12th century BCE, settled along the southern Mediterranean coastal plain of what is now Israel and the Gaza Strip and disappeared several centuries later. After crushing Bar Kokhba's revolt (132-135), the Romans Latinized the hitherto seldom-used Greek name Palaestina (Παλαιστίνη) and applied it to the entire region that had formerly included Iudaea Province (which combined Judea, Samaria, and Idumea). To Jews, the name had connotations of past conflicts. This was done to send a message to any remaining Jewish rebels that they were no longer the owners of the land. The Arabic toponym Filastin (فلسطين) is derived from this name[...] Before the establishment of the British mandate (see below), most of the area that is today Jordan was part of the Ottoman Vilayet of Syria."

Definitions of Palestine and Palestinian - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So the territory (not the country) was called Palestine and even that was a foreign name given by Greeks and Romans to non-arabs. Then the country was known as Syria for 400 years until the Imperialist English decided to call it Palestine when it was not considered a country per say.


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Source to that? Most of the Jews in first-second century were in Israel.
You're right, Jews weren't kicked out of Yemen or Saudi Arabia. I made a mistake.

"The political conflict between Muhammad and the Arab Jewish tribes of Medina in the 7th century, however, left ample ideological fuel for Islam and anti-Semitism through the centuries. During the Middle Ages, however, Jews typically had a better status in the Muslim world than in Christendom, where at many times they were welcomed and provided safe haven during times of persecution of Jews by Christians. Nevertheless, as the Muslim empire expanded during the centuries, particularly in what today is the Arab world, the status of non-Muslim communities was at times precarious, and they were generally subject to dhimmi laws. These laws freed them from military service and paying zakah, but placed additional jizyah and land taxes on them."
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They could just as easily have immigrated from Ethiopia to Yemen.

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I hope you have reliable source to this (bible is not)
Wait, you say that Jewish saying that Israel is their home land is justice enough to say that Israel is their root country, but their own holy testaments are not proof of roots to Egypt?

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No one invaded anything. When I buy a land do I invade to it?
Yeah, Israelis "bought" the West banks, the Gaza Strip and the 1947 UN partition of the country....
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Do you parents tell you about the England as a homeland? Israel is integral part of Jewish culture.Does England is more Important in French culture than France? But I agree that all this is irrelevant. What is relevant that Israel was legally created by UN and that all that matter.
...So not bought by the Jews. England is still an integral part of the American culture. It gave them their language, their religion and so on. What my parents say to me before I go to bed is justice for all of this? I think not.


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Old Jul 13, 2007, 07:01 pm   #109 (permalink) (top)
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Its not about the revenge it’s about removing the threat.
So how does promoting children towards warfare and violence helping to remove the threat? Most of what I seen in the past only makes the threats become the other side when those kids grow up, and then it just goes back and forth..... great solution.

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Maybe I missed my geography lesson but Gaza is not part of Lebanon.
Oh gee I'm sorry.... like I said, it was a quick search..... Does this satisfy?:

Children maimed by Israeli cluster bombs in Lebanon - The Wire - November 2006 - Amnesty International



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Even though the war is over children continue to be killed and injured by unexploded cluster bombs launched by the Israeli army into south Lebanon during the war. Cluster bombs contain hundreds of small but lethal bomblets which spread across an area up to twice the size of a football field. These bombs often fail to explode on impact, but thereafter the slightest movement can set them off, killing or injuring those nearby. Their small size and shape – some deceptively like tennis balls, others like large torch batteries – make them particularly difficult to detect and attractive to children.
Take your pick... Gaza or Lebanon.... they both got bombed with cluster bombs by Israel.....
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Without source its only words of some anonymous posted in the Political forum.
And those sources are from an anonymous person you've never met before either..... the only difference is you got one person with some 2nd rate amature web site and the other is talking directly to you.

So by the above reasoning, you require sources for everything everybody says in here? So in other words, you're not learning anything new, there is no actual connection between the two people in the debate... all you're doing is flinging what someone else says around and claiming it to be true, without putting your own brains to it..... Spoon Fed....

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Old Jul 13, 2007, 07:30 pm   #110 (permalink) (top)
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First of all, no one has discerned the date of those pics to my satisfaction. Secondly, everyone so far assumes that they were used in warfare. They could just as easily have been used for practice rounds.
Seriously? And people complain about me being some straw man..... if they were practice rounds, then what's the logic in getting your children to sign them or write on them in the first place? Why would anybody want to oput their kids that close to shells anyways and treat them as a peice of paper? Hell even I grew up around weapons and equipment from the wars past, and I wasn't taught to treat those things like that..... keep trying to justify it, it doesn't matter if it was Israel or Floida.... It's not the best thing for children.....

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I agree with this philosophy. What troubles me though, is that you make no mention here of Palestine TV's Mickey Mouse. Are you familiar with that? Shall I bring you up to speed?
No, I am currently not aware of that Micky.... although I hated Walt Disney characters and cartoons for as long as I remember, whatever evil thing you may bring up probably won't surprise me..... but by all means go ahead.

But I believe they are actually bringing that station here to Canada, cuz I just saw that on the news just last night actually. I'll be able to see it first hand, perhaps.

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They may be legit, but look at the dates! Jeesh. Doesn't he have anything a bit more current? Take for instance a snippet from Ehud Olmert's June 6, 2007 interview with The Guardian....
True, they are out dated, but are there any signs that things have changed since then? (Not ment as a challenge, just a ligit question.)

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There. Now isn't that better? A whole bag of chips and more.
That does appear more positive with working with the Palitines..... however.... it seems to be a big contrast from those previous dates and quotes..... what would be the logical reason for such a contrast? Realizing that unless they negotiate with others they will continue to bomb and rocket their civilians, and vice versa? *shrugs*

However, talk is one thing, action is another.... and although I believe both the quotes above and the quotes in post one..... but they are not what swayed my decision and opinion on the racial effect on Israel..... it is mainly their own actions and how they interact with those around them...

There is even traits of racism in the US, just by observing the last 6 years.... albiet not specific towards a race, but more towards an entire religious culture.... but that's another topic.

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Like Arabs, Israelis are also Semites. Therefore, charges of racism are absurd. Racism? I've got hundreds of digital pictures of Israelis. Skin tones range from lilly white to dark mahogany. What exactly are you refering to when you say racist? It doesn't seem to be genetics.
They are closed off towards pretty much almost all the other countries around them and abroad.... it's beyond racism, they're isolated in a way.... and it's their own paranoia and fears of those other countries destroying them that fuels this..... I'm not blaming them, because perhaps I would be the same way..... but that doesn't excuse it.

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None of those quotes are from Israelis in the current government. Why do you paint all Israelis with such a broad brush? Could it be due to your own racism? Personally, I find this sort of innuendo offensive in the extremis.
I'm not racist, I'm basing my opinions of the entire country by their own actions in history, much like I base my judgements on any other country and what their citizens permit their leaders to do..... hint hint.
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Except that the majority of the land acquired by the Jews weren't through individual purchases but by the 1947 partition of the "Palestinian" territory and then armed invasion of places like the West Bank and the Gaza.
The Partition was done by UN.Arabs didnt accept it and invaded newly created state.And what invasion "West Bank and the Gaza" are you talking about? All the Jews that lived there were ethnically cleansed.


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"Henceforth the term Palestinian will be used when referring to the Arabs of the former mandated Palestine, excluding Israel. Although the Arabs of Palestine had been creating and developing a Palestinian identity for about 200 years, the idea that Palestinians form a distinct people is relatively recent. The Arabs living in Palestine had never had a separate state. …"
Palestine :: The term "Palestinian" -- Encyclopaedia Britannica
Nothing about Syria here.
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"The term Palestine is derived from the name of the Philistines, a people of uncertain origins, possibly Aegean, who, in the 12th century BCE, settled along the southern Mediterranean coastal plain of what is now Israel and the Gaza Strip and disappeared several centuries later. After crushing Bar Kokhba's revolt (132-135), the Romans Latinized the hitherto seldom-used Greek name Palaestina (Παλαιστίνη) and applied it to the entire region that had formerly included Iudaea Province (which combined Judea, Samaria, and Idumea). To Jews, the name had connotations of past conflicts. This was done to send a message to any remaining Jewish rebels that they were no longer the owners of the land. The Arabic toponym Filastin (فلسطين) is derived from this name[...] Before the establishment of the British mandate (see below), most of the area that is today Jordan was part of the Ottoman Vilayet of Syria."

Definitions of Palestine and Palestinian - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So the territory (not the country) was called Palestine and even that was a foreign name given by Greeks and Romans to non-arabs. Then the country was known as Syria for 400 years until the Imperialist English decided to call it Palestine when it was not considered a country per say
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It was know by Land of Israel by many people for 3000 years.And why the Ottaman is authority?



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You're right, Jews weren't kicked out of Yemen or Saudi Arabia. I made a mistake.

"The political conflict between Muhammad and the Arab Jewish tribes of Medina in the 7th century, however, left ample ideological fuel for Islam and anti-Semitism through the centuries. During the Middle Ages, however, Jews typically had a better status in the Muslim world than in Christendom, where at many times they were welcomed and provided safe haven during times of persecution of Jews by Christians. Nevertheless, as the Muslim empire expanded during the centuries, particularly in what today is the Arab world, the status of non-Muslim communities was at times precarious, and they were generally subject to dhimmi laws. These laws freed them from military service and paying zakah, but placed additional jizyah and land taxes on them."
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They could just as easily have immigrated from Ethiopia to Yemen.
It happened much more latter then first-second century.


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Wait, you say that Jewish saying that Israel is their home land is justice enough to say that Israel is their root country, but their own holy testaments are not proof of roots to Egypt?
There is enough historical and archeological evidence about Jewish country in Israel. Bible is not history book.



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Yeah, Israelis "bought" the West banks, the Gaza Strip and the 1947 UN partition of the country....
What are you talking about? There were majority of Jews in a partitioned Jewish state that demanded their independence. Also read about Israel Independence war so you will spout nonsense about Gaza and West Bank.

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...So not bought by the Jews. England is still an integral part of the American culture. It gave them their language, their religion and so on. What my parents say to me before I go to bed is justice for all of this? I think not.
No you didn’t praise England every day and you didn’t dream about returning England during 2000 years. You lost you English identity by becoming American. Anyway Zionism was the only option to the Jews for their self-identification. No one wanted to accept them as equal. So only in their own state they could be free from prosecution.
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Old Jul 14, 2007, 03:14 am   #112 (permalink) (top)
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These Zionists are still telling this lie! I exposed it months ago and they're still

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Yes of course Jews are they invaders :rolleyes: they returned to their homeland that there etnically cleansed from it. And wanted to live in peace with local population even though their ancestors illegally occupied the land.

Did all French have a roots in Anatolia. Did French has no country and scattered around the world?
telling it as if you all forgot what I said.

In 1962 Ashkenazi Jews constituted 92% of all Jews all around the world. 92%. All Ashkenazi Jews descend directly from Turko-Slav-Khazar kingdom Europeans who were ordered by a Khazar king wishing to avoid war with either powerful Christian armies or Muslims ones decided to convert his whole kingdom to Judaism.

92% of all Jews in `1962 where these European Jewish converts without any traceable Semitic ancestry, just like my Ashkenazi dna ancestry tests show. Uzbekistan was the farthest east my Ashkenazi ancestry shows. Zero Semitic ancestry.

So when "Jews" parade this phony history ala Shrike's it is pure bullshit. Sephardic Jews from Palestine, yes, they have a right to be in Palestine. That's what they used to called, Palestinian Jews before Israel was forced on the Palestinians.

So, what we have is this Ashkenazi Zionist swindle of the world where European religious converts can pose as "Jewish Semites" and steal and kill for their lie to the world.

Everywhere you turn in the Israeli history there's deceit and ugliest of racism. God must be mad as hell at this cult of liars...

And if Shrike posts the phony Jewish "genetic studies" showing these 4 real Semitic Mothers of all Ashkenazis, do not believe it for an instance. No way on earth are 4 Semitic moms going to create a race of Jews by intermarriage with Gentile europeans. Just do the math for 7 generations or 150-180 years, and see that by the end of the seventh one, the Gentile proportion of the dna is over 99%. These Khazars converted in the 7th or 8th century so what's that tell you about the majority of modern Jews? And Zionists Jews were the Ashkenazis who organized Israel.

It would be like Muslim converts from Indonesia going to Saudi Arabia and demanded it as their "homeland". I tell you the Cult is just downright CRAZY with narcissistic self-interest.
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Old Jul 14, 2007, 03:15 am   #113 (permalink) (top)
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[quote=Praxius;408894]So how does promoting children towards warfare and violence helping to remove the threat? Most of what I seen in the past only makes the threats become the other side when those kids grow up, and then it just goes back and forth..... great solution.
There were already promoted to it and not by Israeli government


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Oh gee I'm sorry.... like I said, it was a quick search..... Does this satisfy?:

Children maimed by Israeli cluster bombs in Lebanon - The Wire - November 2006 - Amnesty International





Take your pick... Gaza or Lebanon.... they both got bombed with cluster bombs by Israel.....
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No nothing about Gaza in your source care to bring specific citation because i could not find it.


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And those sources are from an anonymous person you've never met before either..... the only difference is you got one person with some 2nd rate amature web site and the other is talking directly to you.
No I ussuyally use major news agancies,university sites and encolopedias.I rarely use partisan sites.All the quotes come from partisan sites that have strong agenda so its hard to me to believe that their are true without a good source also I found another source that they say this quotes are false this site has agenda too.

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So by the above reasoning, you require sources for everything everybody says in here? So in other words, you're not learning anything new, there is no actual connection between the two people in the debate... all you're doing is flinging what someone else says around and claiming it to be true, without putting your own brains to it..... Spoon Fed....

hey, if that's what you like, all the power to you.
I ask sources for facts that I don't agree. For example people smallpox claim that Israel invaded Gaza in 1947 its only natural to ask a source to such nonsense. We should debating not about the facts but about their interpretations .For example do people need guns does it really protecting the society and how it effect the crime rate. I think when you don’t agree with certain fact it’s reasonable to ask a reliable source.
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Old Jul 14, 2007, 03:26 am   #114 (permalink) (top)
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telling it as if you all forgot what I said.

In 1962 Ashkenazi Jews constituted 92% of all Jews all around the world. 92%. All Ashkenazi Jews descend directly from Turko-Slav-Khazar kingdom Europeans who were ordered by a king wishing to avoid war with either powerful Christian armies or Muslims ones decided to convert his whole kingdom to Judaism.

92% of all Jews in `1962 where these European Jewish converts without any traceable Semitic ancestry, just like my Ashkenazi dna ancestry tests show. So when "Jews" parade this phony history ala Shrike's it is pure bullshit. Sephardic Jews from Palestine, yes, they have a right to be in Palestine. That's what they used to called, Palestinian Jews before Israel was forced on the Palestinians.

So, what we have is this Ashkenazi Zionist swindle of the world where European religious converts can pose as "Jewish Semites" and steal and kill for their lie to the world.

Everywhere you turn in the Israeli history there's deceit and ugliest of racism. God must be mad as hell at this cult of liars...
We already discussed this million of time there is no proof to your words.

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Read all the discussion there again starting from my post I am still await for you answer there.
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Old Jul 14, 2007, 03:41 am   #115 (permalink) (top)
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No, Shrike, we didn't discuss it a million times

And all anyone has to do to verify my facts is look up Ashkenazis in Wikipedia and then talk to any reputable geneticist.

You can't create a Jewish race out of four Semitic mothers intermarrying with Gentile Europeans--if that were the case all these white Americans with traces of Native American ancestry in them could say "We're the Original Native Americans!" "This is Our Ancestral Land!" "Get off you Native Americans or we'll kill you.

Shrike, you and every Jew must get out of denial and realize the Cult mentality has to go because it is sick and dangerous when it gets real weapons and power behind it as it has in Israel. A culture that produces that kind of hatred of another culture that has every legitimate right to be there is without God--God has abandoned that Cult long ago and yet the narcissism runs so deep the Cult can't let go..It's more important than people or even God.
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Old Jul 14, 2007, 03:45 am   #116 (permalink) (top)
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You can't create a Jewish race out of four Semitic mothers intermarrying with Gentile Europeans--if that were the case all these white Americans with traces of Native American ancestry in them could say "We're the Original Native Americans!" "This is Our Ancestral Land!" "Get off you Native Americans or we'll kill you.
Did you read the article?
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A study of haplotypes of the Y chromosome, published in 2000, addressed the paternal origins of Ashkenazi Jews. Hammer et al[12] found that the Y chromosome of some Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews contained mutations that are also common among Middle Eastern peoples, but uncommon in the general European population. This suggested that the male ancestors of the Ashkenazi Jews could be traced mostly to the Middle East.
Ashkenazi Jews - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old Jul 14, 2007, 04:29 am   #117 (permalink) (top)
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What percentage of Iran is not Persian and Muslim. What less than 1%. Nearly 20% of Israel is Arab/Muslim.

How many non-Muslim do you have in your government or any Muslim country for that matter? 0!!! Israel has a bunch.

Why do Iranian laws for Muslims first and then are different for non-Muslims?

Before you attack Israel on being racist you must look at your own country. A brutal country that still uses stoning and capital punishment for adultry.

Iran needs to go back to the great lessons Cyrus the Great taught. He respected the Jews, he allowed them to reclaim their lands and build the first temple on lands that were rightful theirs. Cyrus the Great truely lived up to his name, but the Persians have lost their ways.


Question: (1) Why does Iran (Persian Shiite) care so much about Palestine (Arab Sunnis)? (2) Why haven't you chimmed in on any of the recent Iranian threads?
A lot of Palistinians are Christians.
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Old Jul 14, 2007, 04:33 am   #118 (permalink) (top)
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A lot of Palistinians are Christians.
About 2%.What your point really?
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