Israel: The Most Racist Illegal Nation.

[Tashah]

Quote: THERE was ruin and terror in Manhattan, but, over the Hudson River in New Jersey, a handful of men were dancing. As the World Trade Centre burned and crumpled, the five men celebrated and filmed the worst atrocity ever committed on American soil as it played out before their eyes. Who do you think they were? Palestinians? Saudis? Iraqis, even? Al-Qaeda, surely? Wrong on all counts. They were Israelis – and at least two of them were Israeli intelligence agents, working for Mossad. nip There were also fresh pictures of the men standing with the smouldering wreckage of the Twin Towers in the background. One image showed a hand flicking a lighter in front of the devastated buildings...

The Sunday Herald - Scotland's award-winning independent newspaper

If you follow The Sunday Herald linkbacks to this 'story', you will eventually arrive at ABCNews....

Despite the denials, sources tell ABCNEWS there is still debate within the FBI over whether or not the young men were spies. Many U.S. government officials still believe that some of them were on a mission for Israeli intelligence. But the FBI told ABCNEWS, "To date, this investigation has not identified anybody who in this country had pre-knowledge of the events of 9/11." Sources also said that even if the men were spies, there is no evidence to conclude they had advance knowledge of the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11. The investigation, at the end of the day, after all the polygraphs, all of the field work, all the cross-checking, the intelligence work, concluded that they probably did not have advance knowledge of 9/11," Cannistraro noted.

ABCNEWS.com : Were Israelis Detained on Sept. 11 Spies?

It seems these two critical paragraphs were omitted from The Sunday Herald presentation denoted above. Funny how that works.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Tashah The Sunday Herald - Scotland's award-winning independent newspaper If you follow The Sunday Herald linkbacks to this 'story', you will eventually arrive at ABCNews.... ABCNEWS.com : Were Israelis Detained on Sept. 11 Spies? It seems these two critical paragraphs were omitted from The Sunday Herald presentation denoted above. Funny how that works.

Well put! Welcome to volconvo hope you stick around.

[shrike]

Wikipedia articles are contributed by whole bunch of people, lacks credibility. That's why it is not a reliable source in academia

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Wikipedia has a pretty strict policy about reliable sources and many times better than some webpage that written by anonymous blogger

[GHook93]

Quote by: Ibn_Sina The desire to live in Israel may simply be an economic one... where they would work as cheap labour.

NOPE, Israel just treats these non-Jewish Africans a hell of a lot better.
Wow free medical care instead of the beatings by Egyptian police.

Dr. Arye Levin, the head of the pediatric gastroenterology unit, made contact with Physicians for Human Rights and offered to provide the Darfuris with medical examinations and treatment. In addition to Wolfson doctors, a gynecologist from Meir Medical Center in Kfar Saba and medical students from Ben-Gurion University have joined the volunteer work. The doctors drove down to Beersheba, where most of the refugees are staying, and began conducting medical examinations. Many of the children were suffering from conventional infections in their ears, on their skin and hepatitis A, plus asthma, serious anemia, diabetes and heart disease. Many also have wounds from being beaten by Egyptian soldiers, the doctors said.

Doctors volunteer free care for Darfuri refugees

Wow, that is a ringing endorsement of Egypt.That is tolerance for you baby, from the Muslims.

"Egypt was worse than Sudan. We feared for our lives. We feared for our children. I would rather that the Israeli government shoot me here, in a clean, humane way, than send me back to Egypt." Sudanese refugees whose lives would be in "perilous danger" if they were returned to Egypt. Egyptian newspapers have reported that thousands of Sudanese refugees, most of whom are Christians, have been killed by Nubian and extremist Muslim militias. "The only thing I knew about Jews was what I heard about them in Egypt - that they were evil, that they drank blood and were killers and very cruel," said [Anthony Peter]. "I thought though, that the people telling me this were also killers, so why should I believe them?"

Wow, Israel sends the refugees to hotels not camps!
100 more African refugees arrive, sent to Beersheba hotel

100 more African refugees arrive, sent to Beersheba hotel

Wow ordinary Israelis feeding and housing non-Jews. Is that racism?
Bar-On presents plan to cope with African refugees flocking to Israel

Wow Israeli is giving them jobsm what is Egypt giving them? Death!

Four hundred of them were absorbed by the city's tourism industry and are employed in city hotels.

with impromptu volunteers from various student and non- profit organizations using private donations to assist with housing and feeding the refugees.E E

[Praxius]

In response to the orignal post #1 and topic....

Regardless if those shells that were being signed by children were ment for other civilians or for millitants, the point is, what kind of image are you trying to portray by promotting children to sign names and promote the deaths of other people?

Bringing in children to a war is sick, using them for propaganda purposes is sick, exposing them to war as being a normal and ok thing is sick.....

In response to the quotes I seen plenty asking sources for on page one..... as mentioned by the original poster.... go look it up. Seriously people it's not that dam hard to give your fingers some exercise.... take the quote and go google it.... if you find links and sources from that search, and they seem ligitamate, then there you go.... if you get nothing, then it's probably false.

When someone comes on here and speaks their mind, if something doesn't add up, I'll either ask or I'll look up myself what they are talking about.... but nobody here seems to have that same trait.... they want it all spoon fed to them....

I also remember hearing and reading a few of those quotes myself, so they exist somewhere.... someone had to have said them, and if he's supplied dates, names and the sort, then it shouldn't be too hard to look up.

Is Israel a racist country? I'd believe it.... there's been too much over the last few decades I have seen that would gear in this direction..... ask me for proof, I'll ask you to go look it up.

I mean, of course I could see them having reasons of being racist, lots in history would lead them up to this mentality and lack of trust of those who are different.

Their attacks last summer also bleeds of racism..... one soldier captured and they go on an all out invasion and war, bombing and air striking recklessly and indiscrimating against their targets, using cluster bombs in civilian locations, etc..... this shows reckless disregard for the lives of anybody they attack.... which also looks like a thought process that all those lives are expendable compared to that one soldier...... seems a bit racist to me. What did the UK do with Iran when their soldiers were captured? They didn't go on an all out war with Iran.... they could have.... but eventually Iran released them on good faith it would seem. Trying to derail this topic with Iran and other middle east countries is not only going to fail, but it doesn't relate to the topic at hand either..... trying to cancel out the negatives of Israel by pointing the finger at another country that's worse, doesn't remove the fact that it still remains in Israel.

Added: just looked up some of those quotes, and there's plenty of sources for those quote..... therefore if any of you wish to use your deductive reasoning, you might have to considder there might be a good chance they're true.

And if these quotes are indeed true, then it also proves they are racist..... if you got people in authority positions telling the population to do and act as the above quotes show, then that's pretty blaitently racist.

[shrike]

Regardless if those shells that were being signed by children were ment for other civilians or for millitants, the point is, what kind of image are you trying to portray by promotting children to sign names and promote the deaths of other people? Bringing in children to a war is sick, using them for propaganda purposes is sick, exposing them to war as being a normal and ok thing is sick.....

There were already exposed to a war by Hizbollah Katushas.

Their attacks last summer also bleeds of racism..... one soldier captured and they go on an all out invasion and war, bombing and air striking recklessly and indiscrimating against their targets, using cluster bombs in civilian locations

The soldier kidnapping was the last straw the operation was response to a massive unprovoked missle attack by Palestinians.I believe Israeli do maximum not to hurt enemy civilians but there is no war even the most just that no civilians will die as result of it.

And if these quotes are indeed true, then it also proves they are racist..... if you got people in authority positions telling the population to do and act as the above quotes show, then that's pretty blaitently racist

Ok than post links to the sources that you found and we see what kind of sites peddle such quotes.

[Praxius]

Quote by: Ibn_Sina If someone had accused you of murder despite your innocence, wouldn't you try to stop the press from releasing such information? Which would make many stupid people assume that you ARE a murderer and eventually damage your reputation in society?

If that's how you want to think, good luck if that situation comes your way.

If I was in that situation, I wouldn't try and cover it up, I would fight and dispute the claims, explain my side of the situation and make dam sure my side is more solid then whatever speculations were given by the media....

I wouldn't stop the press from releasing the information, I'd let them go ahead, release the info.... and then I'd sue the living b-jesus out of them for slander. I imagine after it was all over a few people would be out of a job and I'd have a bit more pocket change.

[Praxius]

Quote by: shrike There were already exposed to a war by Hizbollah Katushas.

Oh well then in that case, forget everything I said.... might as well let them keep promoting it to the children since Hizbolla exposed them to it first..... come on.

The soldier kidnapping was the last straw the operation was response to a massive unprovoked missle attack by Palestinians.I believe Israeli do maximum not to hurt enemy civilians but there is no war even the most just that no civilians will die as result of it.

Uh-huh, and if they didn't use cluster bombs in the first place, then there would have been far less civilians killed.... there were more civilians killed then there were military forces. If they resorted to good ol fasion bombs, then perhaps they would have hit their targets more accuratly and wouldn't have cause as much collateral damage.

And their clear disregard for bombing a UN observation tower was real smooth..... Big friggin blue U and N on the tower and yet they stiked it anyways.

Ok than post links to the sources that you found and we see what kind of sites peddle such quotes.

Oh ffs how dam lazy are you? go look it the frig up your dam self... it takes less then two seconds of your precious life to google them and find your sources you want so bad.... I'm not supplying them clearly out of spite.... I shouldn't have to... you seem to be intelligent enough to get on a computer and debate on an online forum, you should have enough intelligence to go google something yourself and look with your own eyes.

Go see my signature:

[shrike]

Oh well then in that case, forget everything I said.... might as well let them keep promoting it to the children since Hizbolla exposed them to it first..... come on.

No one promoted anything but when you under constant fire from Katyshas and you see you friends dies near you its natural feeling to stop those who to want to kill you.

Uh-huh, and if they didn't use cluster bombs in the first place, then there would have been far less civilians killed.... there were more civilians killed then there were military forces. If they resorted to good ol fasion bombs, then perhaps they would have hit their targets more accuratly and wouldn't have cause as much collateral damage. And their clear disregard for bombing a UN observation tower was real smooth..... Big friggin blue U and N on the tower and yet they stiked it anyways.

WTF are you talking about? Cluster bombs were not used in Gaza.

Oh ffs how dam lazy are you? go look it the frig up your dam self... it takes less then two seconds of your precious life to google them and find your sources you want so bad.... I'm not supplying them clearly out of spite.... I shouldn't have to... you seem to be intelligent enough to get on a computer and debate on an online forum, you should have enough intelligence to go google something yourself and look with your own eyes. Go see my signature:

If claim something you should provide online source. If you cant there might be some problems with it. Why you all afraid to post a link. Its not so hard.

[smallpox]

Isn't a "natural" response to people invading your land trying to protect it? It's funny how you try to make it seem like this conflict is one circle where both parties are equally responsible.

[Praxius]

Quote by: shrike No one promoted anything but when you under constant fire from Katyshas and you see you friends dies near you its natural feeling to stop those who to want to kill you.

Oh ok.... so promote it to the children, because it's justified for revenge.

WTF are you talking about? Cluster bombs were not used in Gaza.

Have you been living in a cave with big foot? To tell me that they were never used, just shows how ill-informed you are.... here.... I'll even supply a link this time:

Cluster bombing of Lebanon 'immoral' UN official tells Israel | The Guardian | Guardian Unlimited

Israel faced a stinging rebuke from the UN yesterday when the world body's humanitarian chief expressed shock at the "completely immoral" use of cluster bombs in Lebanon and Kofi Annan called for a rapid end to the conflict in Gaza. Jan Egeland said civilians were facing "massive problems" returning home because of as many as 100,000 unexploded cluster bombs, most of which were dropped in the last days of the war. "What's shocking - and I would say to me completely immoral - is that 90% of the cluster bomb strikes occurred in the last 72 hours of the conflict, when we knew there would be a resolution," Mr Egeland said. "Every day people are maimed, wounded and are killed by these ordnance."

Although that was a quick search (as I said those are pretty easy to do) I have read this information originally on my Canadian news sites and television brodcasts during the battles.... so please don't tell me they were not used in Gaza.... because they were, and many are still around not detnonated.

See what fun you can have when you look things up yourself?

If claim something you should provide online source. If you cant there might be some problems with it. Why you all afraid to post a link. Its not so hard.

No, the point here is that ever since I came onto this site, everytime I or someone else mentioned something, everybody goes and cries for resources and links, etc.....

Since I have been here, I have unloaded sources apon sources to almost everything I have bothered to talk about.... I've been the majority news reporter in the news section of this forum, I unload information daily, and yet when I ask people here to do the same, they either ignore me and don't, or they supply some half-assed web site that looks like some grade 10 student made it over the weekend... and holds no solid resources of it's own.

Due to this, I have given up on supplying links and resources to people here because they sure as hell don't show the same courtesy to me.... why the hell should I?

And the sheer fact that it's so simple to go do it your dam self, I won't.... I don't have enough interest to convince you one way or another on my views.... a question was asked, I stated my opinion.... you want to dispute my opinion, then go look for the dam information yourself..... I spend too much time researching for myself, I don't have time to go and educate others across the globe who can't move their lazy fingers across the keyboard to do a simple search.

Either look it up or move on, I really don't care.

[shrike]

Oh ok.... so promote it to the children, because it's justified for revenge

Its not about the revenge it’s about removing the threat.

Indeed they were... to thnk otherwise is just ill-informed.... here.... I'll even supply a link this time: Cluster bombing of Lebanon 'immoral' UN official tells Israel | The Guardian | Guardian Unlimited

Maybe I missed my geography lesson but Gaza is not part of Lebanon.

No, the point here is that ever since I came onto this site, everytime I or someone else mentioned something, everybody goes and cries for resources and links, etc..... Since I have been here, I have unloaded sources apon sources to almost everything I have bothered to talk about.... I've been the majority news reporter in the news section of this forum, I unload information daily, and yet when I ask people here to do the same, they either ignore me and don't, or they supply some half-assed web site that looks like some grade 10 student made it over the weekend... and holds no solid resources of it's own. Due to this, I have given up on supplying links and resources to people here because they sure as hell don't show the same courtesy to me.... why the hell should I? And the sheer fact that it's so simple to go do it your dam self, I won't.... I don't have enough interest to convince you one way or another on my views.... a question was asked, I stated my opinion.... you want to dispute my opinion, then go look for the dam information yourself..... I spend too much time researching for myself, I don't have time to go and educate others across the globe who can't move their lazy fingers across the keyboard to do a simple search. Either look it up or move on, I really don't care

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Without source its only words of some anonymous posted in the Political forum.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Praxius Oh ok.... so promote it to the children, because it's justified for revenge. Have you been living in a cave with big foot? To tell me that they were never used, just shows how ill-informed you are.... here.... I'll even supply a link this time: Cluster bombing of Lebanon 'immoral' UN official tells Israel | The Guardian | Guardian Unlimited Although that was a quick search (as I said those are pretty easy to do) I have read this information originally on my Canadian news sites and television brodcasts during the battles.... so please don't tell me they were not used in Gaza.... because they were, and many are still around not detnonated. See what fun you can have when you look things up yourself? No, the point here is that ever since I came onto this site, everytime I or someone else mentioned something, everybody goes and cries for resources and links, etc..... Since I have been here, I have unloaded sources apon sources to almost everything I have bothered to talk about.... I've been the majority news reporter in the news section of this forum, I unload information daily, and yet when I ask people here to do the same, they either ignore me and don't, or they supply some half-assed web site that looks like some grade 10 student made it over the weekend... and holds no solid resources of it's own. Due to this, I have given up on supplying links and resources to people here because they sure as hell don't show the same courtesy to me.... why the hell should I? And the sheer fact that it's so simple to go do it your dam self, I won't.... I don't have enough interest to convince you one way or another on my views.... a question was asked, I stated my opinion.... you want to dispute my opinion, then go look for the dam information yourself..... I spend too much time researching for myself, I don't have time to go and educate others across the globe who can't move their lazy fingers across the keyboard to do a simple search. Either look it up or move on, I really don't care.

Since when is Gaza part of Lebannon. No cluster bombs were dropped in Gaza. As for Lebannon, well the Lebanese terrorist shouldn't have started a war.

[smallpox]

Its not about the revenge it’s about removing the threat.

Who's the threat?

[shrike]

Who's the threat?

The threat was Katuasha.

[smallpox]

That has no basis but a normative contingent. I might just as well say Israel is as much of a threat.

[shrike]

That has no basis but a normative contingent. I might just as well say Israel is as much of a threat.

Yes its threat to terrorists that want to hurt Israeli civilians.

[smallpox]

Yes its threat to terrorists that want to hurt Israeli civilians.

Or get their land back from foreign invaders.

[shrike]

Or get their land back from foreign invaders

What foreign invaders? Do you mean Arabs that occupied the land in 8th century?

[smallpox]

....? Israelis. Who else? "We lived here 1000 years ago, who cares what happened in the meanwhile, or who established themselves there, we're more righteous than the people of Syria and our needs are above theirs." I'm sure my ancestors had roots in Anatolia thousands of years ago, let's make it part of France.