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Ibn_Sina · Jul 12, 2007, 05:28 pm

Yes, this is a visual material, right? So according to you, we must judge for ourselves?

I see they are celebrating in that image but I see no link between this and 9/11. There goes your theory out of the window..

shrike · Jul 12, 2007, 05:29 pm

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Ok, I have had enough for today...

This is nothing personal but you really need to know how the corporate media works before believing something just because "it clearly says".

Yes of course major news sources are not true and your propaganda sites hold absolute truth:rolleyes:

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most cited living scholar, Noam Chomsky's

Prove that

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When I log in tomorrow, I will school you on one of the most cited living scholar, Noam Chomsky's Propaganda Model. Once you master that, you will understand what is propaganda in the modern context.

Chomsky is a linguist what authority he has on PolSci?

shrike · Jul 12, 2007, 05:30 pm

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I see they are celebrating in that image but I see no link between this and 9/11. There goes your theory out of the window..

Ok so why they tried to suppress it?And what was the reason for celebration according to you?

Alive · Jul 12, 2007, 06:56 pm

More racist than Russia, killing a million Chechnians in a decade (with extreme popular support!)? More racist than the US, where only a small percentage even care about any Iraq war dead who isn't American? Ha ha ha. Call Israel racist all you want, but if you want to support the word "most", explain exactly why Israel is worse (or even at the same level of evil) than the US or Russia (or China for that matter)!

GHook93 · Jul 12, 2007, 07:27 pm

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The desire to live in Israel may simply be an economic one... where they would work as cheap labour.

That is absolutely not the case, there desire to live in Israel over the "moderate" Egypt is because Israel treats them better. They are just as likely to get murdered and robbed in Egypt as they are in Sudan.

Work might be another perk also, but why doesn't Egypt give them work? Who is the racist?

GHook93 · Jul 12, 2007, 07:30 pm

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It doesn't say Israel is NOT racist. People are probably fleeing because they see Israel as an escape. Little do they know of its true racist nature.

Once they get there they are ILLEGALLY I might add, they are petitioning and pegging the Israeli government not be deported! They turn out to love it, unlike the true racist state of Egypt. It never heard anyone seeking asylum in Iran. Even the fleeing Iraqis go to Jordon and Syria.

arielmessenger · Jul 12, 2007, 11:37 pm

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Hate to burst your bubble, but Israel is here to stay. If she does get taken out she will take a whole lot of Arabs and Persians with her. Probably could be as high as 100 million!

This is the reason no one in America should ever give a dime to Israel's defense because it is exactly like giving money and weapons to crazy cultists. Judaism is the world's oldest paranoid religious Cult and not a true religion which is why modern Jews can be atheists and still be upstanding members of the Cult because the Cult is always more important than anything, even God.

arielmessenger · Jul 12, 2007, 11:42 pm

For posting the quotes and the pictures. Those pictures speak a thousand words for sure and I haven't seen a clearer sign of Israeli madness in quite a while. I hope you don't mind me sharing the pics and quotes on two other blogs. Again, those pictures tell so much. Thanks,

arielmessenger · Jul 12, 2007, 11:52 pm

Canaan Peace Plan

I used think the Canaan Peace Plan that was initiated with my original Paxcalibur vision was a plan for mutual Israeli and Palestinian co-operative government in a single democratic state but now I realize it is really an Israeli survival plan within the inevitable Palestinian majority nation of whatever name Pals decide, not Israelis.

Eretz Israel can only be in community form, not national because nationalizing a racist theology only guarantees whoever the minority population is will seek revenge and I think we know who the minority population is in Israel currently...but outside Israel? If Israelis want to safe and secure in their future they will turn to the Canaan Peace Plan because I truly fear that Palestinian Muslims, just like their Zionist Jewish counterparts, have little practice with forgiveness and great practice with retribution. The Obuntu or forgiveness and reconciliation that happened in South Africa because of the Christian influence in my opinion, may very well not be on the minds of Pals treated like shit for half a century.

**Matt W** · Jul 13, 2007, 02:14 am

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Mia · Jul 13, 2007, 02:45 am

Ya'll are giving me a headache - back and forth over sources. Ibn_Sina gave sources at the get-go for his statements. Sources like the New York Times, hardly a source biased AGAINST Israel. Biased TOWARD it would be more likely.

Shrike has not given any evidence that the footage was even shot after 9/11, much less that it had to do with 9/11. Unless the kids said 'yea! Americans are dead!' or held up signs to that effect, which to my knowledge they did not.

Arguing about who is more racist is asinine. Anyone with a connection to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict could be called racists for siding with the country to whom they are sympathetic.

Arabs treat Jews like so much shit in their nations that few live there, and Israel treats Arabs like shit.

I think both of those things are well documented and not in dispute. So what exactly is the debate about here?

That Israel is 'racist', that they are 'illegal', that they are 'wrong'....what?

I think this topic needs to be more clearly defined.

shrike · Jul 13, 2007, 03:13 am

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Ibn_Sina gave sources at the get-go for his statements. Sources like the New York Times, hardly a source biased AGAINST Israel. Biased TOWARD it would be more likely.

So why he didn’t provide link to New York times? It’s so easy. And who is this Rabbi? I never heard of him. Is like bring quotes by David Duke and claiming that all Americans are racist its pure bigotry.And David Duke was elected to the congress

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Shrike has not given any evidence that the footage was even shot after 9/11, much less that it had to do with 9/11. Unless the kids said 'yea! Americans are dead!' or held up signs to that effect, which to my knowledge they did not.

I gave evidence Wikipedia article gives sources like Cnn and Times also I provided abc article about suppressing evidence.

jose · Jul 13, 2007, 04:45 am

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Then show the video. It had to make it on one of the anti-semitic, sorry for you I will state anti-zionist, websites you subscribe to.

youtube interview on Izraeli TV
YouTube - 911 AND THE 5 DANCING ISRAELI MOSSAD AGENTS
9/11 & THE DANCING ISRAELIS

shrike · Jul 13, 2007, 05:03 am

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youtube interview on Izraeli TV
YouTube - 911 AND THE 5 DANCING ISRAELI MOSSAD AGENTS
9/11 & THE DANCING ISRAELIS

So what does this video prove? That there wore Israelis that were arrested? No one denies it.
I have asked who saw them dancing?

Ibn_Sina · Jul 13, 2007, 06:56 am

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So why he didn’t provide link to New York times? It’s so easy. And who is this Rabbi? I never heard of him. Is like bring quotes by David Duke and claiming that all Americans are racist its pure bigotry.And David Duke was elected to the congress

I gave evidence Wikipedia article gives sources like Cnn and Times also I provided abc article about suppressing evidence.

Wikipedia articles are contributed by whole bunch of people, lacks credibility. That's why it is not a reliable source in academia.

GHook93 · Jul 13, 2007, 10:01 am

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More racist than Russia, killing a million Chechnians in a decade (with extreme popular support!)? More racist than the US, where only a small percentage even care about any Iraq war dead who isn't American? Ha ha ha. Call Israel racist all you want, but if you want to support the word "most", explain exactly why Israel is worse (or even at the same level of evil) than the US or Russia (or China for that matter)!

Toss all the homogenous Arab and Muslim Countries in there.

Take Iran for example, 98% of the country are Muslims. Now that is diversity for you. Calling another country a racist state when nearly the entire country is of one religion is laughable. LOL It is hard to have an apathied state when you have no minorities.

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Most Iranians are Muslims; 89% belong to the Shi'a branch of Islam, the official state religion, and about 9% belong to the Sunni branch, which predominates in neighboring Muslim countries. Non-Muslim minorities include Zoroastrians, Jews, Bahá'ís, Mandeans, Christians and Yarsan.

Demography of Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now that is diversity for you baby! This is the similar theme of EVERY Muslim country from Indonesia to Iran to Egypt to Turkey to Palestine.

But in direct contrast look at Israel. 20% of Israelis are Arabs! LOL, that would be like Iran made of 20% Americans. Who is the racist state? The one who have no minorities or the one who has a sizeable percent of minorities?

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Jewish Israelis 5.3 million 76%
Arab Israelis 1.3 milllion 20%
Unaffiliated Many of which Are Ethnically Jewish 300,000 4.3% (Wow that percentage is larger than the whole Iranian non-Muslims percent)

The growth rate of the Israeli Arab population is 2.5%, while the growth rate of the Israeli Jewish population is 1.4%.

Demographics of Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

GHook93 · Jul 13, 2007, 10:06 am

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.And David Duke was elected to the congress

No Duke never made it to Congress. He ran and received an alarming amount of votes; however, he never made it to Congress.

GHook93 · Jul 13, 2007, 10:10 am

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youtube interview on Izraeli TV
YouTube - 911 AND THE 5 DANCING ISRAELI MOSSAD AGENTS
9/11 & THE DANCING ISRAELIS

LOL, you are using this as proof. If anything it disputed your argument! Where was the dancing Israeli footage?. Where was the connection to Mossad? If they are so guilty, why were they let go?

LOL, you did the work for me Jose. Thanks. I have a 10 page sales presentation to do for Monday, why to help me out with that also.

jose · Jul 13, 2007, 10:56 am

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THERE was ruin and terror in Manhattan, but, over the Hudson River in New Jersey, a handful of men were dancing. As the World Trade Centre burned and crumpled, the five men celebrated and filmed the worst atrocity ever committed on American soil as it played out before their eyes.

Who do you think they were? Palestinians? Saudis? Iraqis, even? Al-Qaeda, surely? Wrong on all counts. They were Israelis – and at least two of them were Israeli intelligence agents, working for Mossad. nip There were also fresh pictures of the men standing with the smouldering wreckage of the Twin Towers in the background. One image showed a hand flicking a lighter in front of the devastated buildings

The Sunday Herald - Scotland's award-winning independent newspaper

jose · Jul 13, 2007, 10:58 am

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I have a 10 page sales presentation to do for Monday, why to help me out with that also.

I could run it through spell checker for you LOL

Jul 12, 2007, 05:28 pm	#61 (permalink) (top)
Ibn_Sina Revolutionary Guard Location: Middle-East. Posts: 243	Yes, this is a visual material, right? So according to you, we must judge for ourselves? I see they are celebrating in that image but I see no link between this and 9/11. There goes your theory out of the window.. ...and the Sage said, "Oh Ibn_Sina, I give thy the Legendary Sword of Righteousness. Remember, if thy fail, Dark Beast Mogilla will be unstopable"...

Jul 12, 2007, 11:42 pm	#68 (permalink) (top)
arielmessenger BANNED Posts: 701	Thank you, Ibn Sina For posting the quotes and the pictures. Those pictures speak a thousand words for sure and I haven't seen a clearer sign of Israeli madness in quite a while. I hope you don't mind me sharing the pics and quotes on two other blogs. Again, those pictures tell so much. Thanks,

Jul 12, 2007, 11:52 pm	#69 (permalink) (top)
arielmessenger BANNED Posts: 701	The Canaan Peace Plan Canaan Peace Plan I used think the Canaan Peace Plan that was initiated with my original Paxcalibur vision was a plan for mutual Israeli and Palestinian co-operative government in a single democratic state but now I realize it is really an Israeli survival plan within the inevitable Palestinian majority nation of whatever name Pals decide, not Israelis. Eretz Israel can only be in community form, not national because nationalizing a racist theology only guarantees whoever the minority population is will seek revenge and I think we know who the minority population is in Israel currently...but outside Israel? If Israelis want to safe and secure in their future they will turn to the Canaan Peace Plan because I truly fear that Palestinian Muslims, just like their Zionist Jewish counterparts, have little practice with forgiveness and great practice with retribution. The Obuntu or forgiveness and reconciliation that happened in South Africa because of the Christian influence in my opinion, may very well not be on the minds of Pals treated like shit for half a century.

Jul 13, 2007, 02:45 am	#71 (permalink) (top)
Mia Retired Posts: 7,312	Ya'll are giving me a headache - back and forth over sources. Ibn_Sina gave sources at the get-go for his statements. Sources like the New York Times, hardly a source biased AGAINST Israel. Biased TOWARD it would be more likely. Shrike has not given any evidence that the footage was even shot after 9/11, much less that it had to do with 9/11. Unless the kids said 'yea! Americans are dead!' or held up signs to that effect, which to my knowledge they did not. Arguing about who is more racist is asinine. Anyone with a connection to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict could be called racists for siding with the country to whom they are sympathetic. Arabs treat Jews like so much shit in their nations that few live there, and Israel treats Arabs like shit. I think both of those things are well documented and not in dispute. So what exactly is the debate about here? That Israel is 'racist', that they are 'illegal', that they are 'wrong'....what? I think this topic needs to be more clearly defined. "...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Jul 12, 2007, 06:56 pm	#64 (permalink) (top)
Alive Human Posts: 679	More racist than Russia, killing a million Chechnians in a decade (with extreme popular support!)? More racist than the US, where only a small percentage even care about any Iraq war dead who isn't American? Ha ha ha. Call Israel racist all you want, but if you want to support the word "most", explain exactly why Israel is worse (or even at the same level of evil) than the US or Russia (or China for that matter)!