Israel: The Most Racist Illegal Nation.

[shrike]

Well, actually the same thing is being said by History Professor Norman G. Finkelstein, himself a Jew and the son of a Holocaust Survivor.

So what?Being a Jew and and the son of a Holocaust Survivor doesnt make him right or wrong becouse of that.Its classical ad-hom fallacy.

[Contumacious]

Quote by: shrike So what?Being a Jew and and the son of a Holocaust Survivor doesnt make him right or wrong becouse of that.Its classical ad-hom fallacy.

His thesis has numerous footnotes and was well researched.

The Fact that he is a Jew is relevant because zionists like to play the "anti-semitic" card.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Nono So you're saying there's a huge elitist Jewish conspiracy to keep the rest of the world perpetually fighting among themselves? What sort of Nazi anti-Semite are you anyway?

Que? What are you smoken?

[GHook93]

Quote by: Nono Here's a question for you Ph: What would you call showering -- from the safety of supersonic fighter/bombers -- residential areas with cluster munitions, many of which kill innocent civilians outright and many of which fail to explode and just lie there waiting for some child to pick it up. A bit of moral clarity is all I'm asking for here. And I'd appreciate a serious answer.

Explain the whole situation smart guy. Add in the beginning that it was a response to a cross-border attack, in which the coward Hezbollah fighters hide amongst the civilian population. That included launching missile attacks in the heart of civilian populations. If anything Israel fought with their hands behind their backs.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Deadeye Except for the last sentence I didn't understand the gist your post. I support Zionism. If you could go back in time and see what the land that Israel occuppies now looked like before they took over you'd see a wasteland. Today it's a relative paradise. Arabs living in Israel have much better lives than those living outside that nation.

That is a great point. The Lands of Israel were not even close to be considered developed. If it wasn't for the Jews it would be considered the equivalent of a tiny Yeman. With only a few natural resources and no oil, what the Jews have done with the lands is unbelievable.

[GHook93]

Quote by: PatrickHenry Please substantiate this allegation.

Always asking to substantiate claims, yet you rarely ever do it! :rolleyes: The accusation that he made is WELL documented and has been all over the news for a while.

[Nono]

Quote by: Hook What are you smoken?

Just giving you a little taste of your own flaming medicine there Hook. To wit: Israel: The Most Racist Illegal Nation.

I pointed out that the Nazis had replied to critics of their territorial seizures that it was theirs (the Germans') by right, and that if shrike makes a similar argument, then he's arguing like You-Know-Who.
If the shoe fits, wear it.

On the basis of this you accused me of "comparing the Jews to Hitler".

That's completely unacceptable. You should apologize.

[Deadeye]

Quote by: nyculla Your post is racist. You are claiming that one nation is more or less racist then another. All peoples and nations have been guilty of racism.

I believe that you are confusing "racism" with "nationalism". All nations are nationalistic to a greater or lessor degree. Not all peoples or nations are racists however. Officially the United States is not a racist nation. It states that "all people are created equal". That's the opposit of racism, it is inclusive rather than exclusive. Iran, however is exclusive. I doubt that Jews do well in Iran. Do any live there?

I guess it's relevent to state that Jews do not consititute their own race. They consititute people who practice a religion. Arabs, however; have decided that Jews make up their own race. I guess it's easier to hate them that way.

[phoenix_fire]

Quote by: Nono Just giving you a little taste of your own flaming medicine there Hook. To wit: Israel: The Most Racist Illegal Nation. I pointed out that the Nazis had replied to critics of their territorial seizures that it was theirs (the Germans') by right, and that if shrike makes a similar argument, then he's arguing like You-Know-Who. If the shoe fits, wear it. On the basis of this you accused me of "comparing the Jews to Hitler". That's completely unacceptable. You should apologize.

Dunno, there. There are a lotta trivial ways one can liken someone to Hitler. That is why the comparison is to be used very carefully.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Nono Jeez, D, you believe everything you hear?

What your denying it? :rolleyes: Typical!

[GHook93]

Quote by: Nono Ahmadinejad has a big mouth, a bit like your dude Boy George. Relax, D. Israel has plenty of nukes, and the means to deliver them. Hot air aside, ain't nobody in Iran gonna do nuthin.

Typical leftist European thinking. Iran is a huge threat to Israel.

(1) Currently supplying Hamas and Hezbollah
(2) Stated desire to wipe Israel off the map
(3) Pointing missiles at Israeli cities.

600 Iranian missiles said to be pointed at targets in Israel | Jerusalem Post

600 Iranian missiles said to be pointed at targets in Israel Six hundred Iranian Shihab-3 missiles are pointed at targets throughout Israel, and will be launched if either Iran or Syria are attacked, an Iranian website affiliated with the regime reported on Monday. "Iran will shoot at Israel 600 missiles if it is attacked," the Iranian news website, Assar Iran, reported. "600 missiles will only be the first reaction."

What you should be worrying about is nukes getting into the hands of freelance Islamic Nuts. This is hugely more likely since George "Mission Accomplished" Bush took his wee eye off the ball and invaded Iraq.

That is exactly why Iran can't have nukes. It isn't that hard to comprehend.

It's pathetic.

What is pathetic is that the Europeans leftist cry foul against Israel because they are deathly afraid of the Islamic Facist. They believe if we please the terrorist by condemning Israel, then they will leave us alone. Yet Bin Laden made it crystal clear in his last video that the Jihad is more than Israel. A message like America and the West your only salvation is to convert to Islam and capitalism is the root of all evils are more than enough proof that the Islamist are at war with our culture not just our foreign policy!

[GHook93]

Quote by: PatrickHenry Here's what you said: My response: Please substantiate this allegation. Your pathetic rejoinder which does not even attempt to substantiate your original claim:

Try to be a little more polite to new guys PH. :rolleyes:

I note that you aren't even aware of the Iranian leader's name...

Yep his name is Alamdouchebag.

Please show where "they" (Iran) have announced that they love death

Something are so prevalent in the media they don't need to be substantiate by outside sources. Shit Alamdouchebag's comments have been overly debated on volconvo.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Contumacious His thesis has numerous footnotes and was well researched. The Fact that he is a Jew is relevant because zionists like to play the "anti-semitic" card.

It is funny the anti-semite messages is always going to have Finkelstein in it. This is a local villian in my parts. Not even the non-Jews respect this douche bag. He is a self-hating Jew. He is also a borderline Holocaust denier, which is a shame because he had access to first hand accounts of it.

[Contumacious]

Quote by: GHook93 It is funny the anti-semite messages is always going to have Finkelstein in it. .

Help me out dude.

Do you have any GENEALOGICAL EVIDENCE that the present residents of Israel - white Europeans and Russians - are related to the - SEMITIC - Ten lost Tribes of Israel?

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: GHook93 Always asking to substantiate claims, yet you rarely ever do it! :rolleyes: The accusation that he made is WELL documented and has been all over the news for a while.

You are mistaken. I substantiate all my claims and you are unable to substantiate this member's allegation. What do you have to contribute to the debate, GHook, aside from your unwarranted ad hominem allegations of antiSemitism?

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: Deadeye Iran, however is exclusive. I doubt that Jews do well in Iran. Do any live there?

A question that can be aswered...
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Iran's proud but discreet Jews

Although Iran and Israel are bitter enemies, few know that Iran is home to the largest number of Jews anywhere in the Middle East outside Israel. About 25,000 Jews live in Iran and most are determined to remain no matter what the pressures - as proud of their Iranian culture as of their Jewish roots. <snip> Those Jews who remain in Iran seem to have made a conscious decision to stay put. "We are Iranian and we have been living in Iran for more than 3,000 years," says the Jewish hospital director Ciamak Morsathegh. "I am not going to leave - I will stay in Iran under any conditions," he declares.

The human rights situation for Jews in Iran is not too good. They are discriminated against. I think it betters the situation of the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank, though.

[Deadeye]

Quote by: GHook93 What your denying it? :rolleyes: Typical!

I don't understand what you are trying to say.

[shrike]

Quote by: Contumacious Do you have any GENEALOGICAL EVIDENCE that the present residents of Israel - white Europeans and Russians - are related to the - SEMITIC - Ten lost Tribes of Israel?

They of course not related to Ten lost Tribes of Israel but they defiantly Semites. They from the Judea tribe.

Efforts to identify the origins of Ashkenazi Jews through DNA analysis began in the 1990s. Like most DNA studies of human migration patterns, these studies have focused on two segments of the human genome, the Y chromosome (inherited only by males), and the mitochondrial genome (DNA which passes from mother to child). Both segments are unaffected by recombination. Thus, they provide an indicator of paternal and maternal origins, respectively. A study of haplotypes of the Y chromosome, published in 2000, addressed the paternal origins of Ashkenazi Jews. Hammer et al[12] found that the Y chromosome of some Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews contained mutations that are also common among Middle Eastern peoples, but uncommon in the general European population. This suggested that the male ancestors of the Ashkenazi Jews could be traced mostly to the Middle East. The first research on Ashkenazi maternal ancestry was less conclusive. A 2002 study by Goldstein et al[13] found that "the women's origins cannot be genetically determined", but that "his own speculation" was that "most Jewish communities were formed by unions between Jewish men and local women." More recent research indicates that a significant portion of Ashkenazi maternal ancestry is also of Middle Eastern origin. A 2006 study by Behar et al[1], based on haplotype analysis of mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA), suggested that about 40% of the current Ashkenazi population is descended matrilineally from just four women. These four "founder lineages" were "likely from a Hebrew/Levantine mtDNA pool" originating in the Near East in the first and second centuries CE. According to the authors, "The observed global pattern of distribution renders very unlikely the possibility that the four aforementioned founder lineages entered the Ashkenazi mtDNA pool via gene flow from a European host population."

Ashkenazi Jews - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

he Fact that he is a Jew is relevant because zionists like to play the "anti-semitic" card

Jew can be anti-Semite. Bobby Fisher is a good example.

[shrike]

Quote by: ph The human rights situation for Jews in Iran is not too good. They are discriminated against. I think it betters the situation of the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank, though.

Do Iran Jews blew them self up in the midle of Teheran or maybe they fire rocket on civilians?

[phoenix_fire]

I don't understand how it's good that Jews are discriminated against by Muslims, so it makes it better for Muslims in Gaza and the West Bank. Seems like that statement has a decided slant. Somebody's getting the short end of the stick here.