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jose · Jul 12, 2007, 04:53 pm

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Proof to what?Posting your propaganda sources prove nothing

maybe not to you, but sane people would take it into account when they form an opinion

Ibn_Sina · Jul 12, 2007, 04:54 pm

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What's your point Shrike?

The point is, according to Shrike, ANY article, news report, image that may criticize Israel justly, has to be either fake or a propaganda.

GHook93 · Jul 12, 2007, 04:56 pm

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His quotes are not "fake". If you cared to notice, they are properly cited and easily googled so I would suggest doing that before speaking.

Now, after checking the sources I am shocked and sickened to say that-- wow.

Are you familiar with the term racism? If you aren't, I'd look it up. If these pictures and those CITED quotes aren't enough for you to realize that this is what exactly what's going on, God help us.

Isreal has gone unchecked for decades, (1) being helped along with their military by the leviathan US army and government, (2) ignoring the UN and just basically disregarding the International Declaration of Human Rights, I'd say Isreal needs to get a spanking.

And yes, the fact that they can and do do all of this DOES make them one of the most racist nations.

Come on the Arabs and Persians say worse things on a daily basis on prime time TV. Right as we now speak the Palestinians us Mickey Mouse to broadcast to children to kill Jews and how Jews are sub-humans.

If these statements were made, yes they are wrong, but the Arabs take the cake on racism. Just ask the Sudanese refugees in Egypt (a moderate Muslim state I might add) about where they want to be Israel or Egypt. These non-Jews are dieing to get into Israel.

GHook93 · Jul 12, 2007, 04:57 pm

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Your proof? I think you forgot to read what was below that wikipedia article. Here is it...

I wish this was true, but I believe the Arab world cherished this day.

jose · Jul 12, 2007, 04:57 pm

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You can bring this up as many times as you want that doesn't change the fact that its NOT TRUE and is mindless propaganda!

do you have any proof that its not true, or do you just want it not to be true?

shrike · Jul 12, 2007, 04:58 pm

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The point is, according to Shrike, ANY article, news report, image that may criticize Israel justly, has to be either fake or a propaganda.

Please no straw mans. I never said that. But posting from sources like poorpallestinians.com or evilzionists.org will not prove anything I don’t use sources like Israel-zionism.com There is a plenty of criticism of Israel in major newspapers and perfectly ok to criticize Israel in the manner as any other country in the world.

Ibn_Sina · Jul 12, 2007, 04:59 pm

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I wish this was true, but I believe the Arab world cherished this day.

Yes, YOU believe... This won't make a decent argument.

GHook93 · Jul 12, 2007, 04:59 pm

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got any proof? it happened, they got cought, but were let off by the dual American/Israeli Chertoff
CONTROLLED PRESS HIDES CHERTOFF'S ISRAELI ROOTS *PIC*

Then show the video. It had to make it on one of the anti-semitic, sorry for you I will state anti-zionist, websites you subscribe to.

shrike · Jul 12, 2007, 05:00 pm

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do you have any proof that its not true, or do you just want it not to be true?

No one should prove negative.
Ok I will play your game who saw them dancing and cheering?

GHook93 · Jul 12, 2007, 05:01 pm

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Yes, YOU believe... This won't make a decent argument.

I do believe many in the M.E. cherished this yes

Ibn_Sina · Jul 12, 2007, 05:02 pm

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If these statements were made, yes they are wrong, but the Arabs take the cake on racism. Just ask the Sudanese refugees in Egypt (a moderate Muslim state I might add) about where they want to be Israel or Egypt. These non-Jews are dieing to get into Israel.

The desire to live in Israel may simply be an economic one... where they would work as cheap labour.

Ibn_Sina · Jul 12, 2007, 05:05 pm

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I do believe many in the M.E. cherished this yes

Remarkably imaginative mind you have..

shrike · Jul 12, 2007, 05:06 pm

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The desire to live in Israel may simply be an economic one... where they would work as cheap labour.

It still better than Egypt when they treated like animals there

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The migrants, mainly Muslims and Christians, are drawn to Israel by rumours of better living conditions and hopes of gaining asylum there, but are also keen to leave Egypt where activists say they face persistent racism, abuse, and economic marginalisation.

News | Africa - Reuters.com (Here its example a reliable source for you)

Ibn_Sina · Jul 12, 2007, 05:10 pm

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Here its example a reliable source for you

It doesn't say Israel is NOT racist. People are probably fleeing because they see Israel as an escape. Little do they know of its true racist nature.

shrike · Jul 12, 2007, 05:10 pm

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Palestinians Suppress Coverage of Crowds Celebrating Attacks
Journalists Are Threatened; Officials Contend Images Present a Distorted View of Public Opinion

JERUSALEM, Sept. 15 -- Yasser Arafat's Palestinian Authority is trying to suppress broadcast images and photos of Palestinians glorifying the terrorist attacks on the United States and hailing their suspected mastermind, exiled Saudi financier Osama bin Laden.

Palestinians Suppress Coverage of Crowds Celebrating Attacks (washingtonpost.com)
If they had nothing to hide.Why they tried to suppress it?

shrike · Jul 12, 2007, 05:12 pm

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doesn't say Israel is NOT racist.

Because it is not.

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People are probably fleeing because they see Israel as an escape. Little do they know of its true racist nature.

But it clearly says about Egyptian racism

Ibn_Sina · Jul 12, 2007, 05:16 pm

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Palestinians Suppress Coverage of Crowds Celebrating Attacks (washingtonpost.com)
If they had nothing to hide.Why they tried to suppress it?

If someone had accused you of murder despite your innocence, wouldn't you try to stop the press from releasing such information? Which would make many stupid people assume that you ARE a murderer and eventually damage your reputation in society?

shrike · Jul 12, 2007, 05:21 pm

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If someone had accused you of murder despite your innocence, wouldn't you try to stop the press from releasing such information? Which would make many stupid people assume that you ARE a murderer and eventually damage your reputation in society

How do you know that's case?Its a visual material people around the world could judge by themselves. Didn't your heard about freedom of press?

Ibn_Sina · Jul 12, 2007, 05:22 pm

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But it clearly says about Egyptian racism

Ok, I have had enough for today...

This is nothing personal but you really need to know how the corporate media works before believing something just because "it clearly says".

When I log in tomorrow, I will school you on one of the most cited living scholar, Noam Chomsky's Propaganda Model. Once you master that, you will understand what is propaganda in the modern context.

Ibn_Sina · Jul 12, 2007, 05:26 pm

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How do you know that's case?Its a visual material people around the world could judge by themselves. Didn't your heard about freedom of press?

This is not a painting, or poetry, where freedom of interpretation applies...

Tabloids are good example of "freedom of press" being nothing but comical..