Israel: The Most Racist Illegal Nation.

[GHook93]

Quote by: jose YouTube - Zionists: We killed Jesus & we are proud of it!

The Jews didn't kill Jesus the Romans did! :rolleyes:

[GHook93]

Quote by: Ibn_Sina Things such as late marriage, alcohol abuse, excessive smoking may also lead to a decline in birth rate, which can be applied to Israelis.

Yet when one make the crazy uneducated claims of ethnic cleasing (PH :rolleyes:), how do he/she explain the booming population growths? It is just a plain ignorant attack on Jews.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Gods_Mercenary It still doesn't negate the point that if the Israelis are perpetrating a genocide, it is the most badly planned and carried out one in history.

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[Gods_Mercenary]

Way to attack people sort of defending your position, I was making the point that the Israelis apparently aren't trying very hard to kill the palestineans who some people on this board think are victims of ethnic cleansing.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Gods_Mercenary Way to attack people sort of defending your position, I was making the point that the Israelis apparently aren't trying very hard to kill the palestineans who some people on this board think are victims of ethnic cleansing.

My fault, it is hard to see the sarcasum over the internet. After going back and reading it over I see the point you where making.

It just infuriates me when someone calls it genocide.

[phoenix_fire]

Quote by: Ibn_Sina Things such as late marriage, alcohol abuse, excessive smoking may also lead to a decline in birth rate, which can be applied to Israelis.

I don't know that anyone has picked up on just how racist this statement is.

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: GHook93 ... It just infuriates me when someone calls it genocide.

Oh, it's a genocide all right.

Zionists are better organized and more media savvy, so their message gets through better. But they are killing significant numbers of innocent Palestinians, many of whom are Christians with no radical beliefs at all. And the ethnic cleansing and murder that began before the declaration of the independence of Israel continues to this day. PAJU - Palestinian & Jewish Unity :: Articles

Palestine 2007: Genocide in Gaza, Ethnic Cleansing in the West Bank :Ilan Pappe, The Electronic Intifada, 11 January 2007 On this stage, not so long ago, I claimed that Israel is conducting genocidal policies in the Gaza Strip. I hesitated a lot before using this very charged term and yet decided to adopt it. Indeed, the responses I received, including from some leading human rights activists, indicated a certain unease over the usage of such a term. I was inclined to rethink the term for a while, but came back to employing it today with even stronger conviction: it is the only appropriate way to describe what the Israeli army is doing in the Gaza Strip. On 28 December 2006, the Israeli human rights organization B’Tselem published its annual report about the Israeli atrocities in the occupied territories. Israeli forces killed this last year six hundred and sixty citizens. The number of Palestinians killed by Israel last year tripled in comparison to the previous year (around two hundred). According to B’Tselem, the Israelis killed one hundred and forty one children in the last year. Most of the dead are from the Gaza Strip, where the Israeli forces demolished almost 300 houses and slew entire families. This means that since 2000, Israeli forces killed almost four thousand Palestinians, half of them children; more than twenty thousand were wounded. B’Tselem is a conservative organization, and the numbers may be higher. But the point is not just about the escalating intentional killing, it is about the trend and the strategy. As 2007 commences, Israeli policymakers are facing two very different realities in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. In the former, they are closer than ever to finishing the construction of their eastern border. Their internal ideological debate is over and their master plan for annexing half of the West Bank is being implemented at an ever-growing speed. The last phase was delayed due to the promises made by Israel, under the Road Map, not to build new settlements. Israel found two ways of circumventing this alleged prohibition. First, it defined a third of the West Bank as Greater Jerusalem, which allowed it to build within this new annexed area towns and community centers. Secondly, it expanded old settlements to such proportions so that there was no need to build new ones. This trend was given an additional push in 2006 (hundreds of caravans were installed to mark the border of the expansions, the planning schemes for the new towns and neighborhoods were finalized and the apartheid bypass roads and highway system completed). In all, the settlements, the army bases, the roads and the wall will allow Israel to annex almost half of the West Bank by 2010. Within these territories there will be a considerable number of Palestinians, against whom the Israeli authorities will continue to implement slow and creeping transfer policies — too boring as a subject for the western media to bother with and too elusive for human rights organizations to make a general point about them. There is no rush; as far as the Israelis are concerned, they have the upper hand there: the daily abusive and dehumanizing mixed mechanisms of army and bureaucracy is as effective as ever in contributing its own share to the dispossession process. The strategic thinking of Ariel Sharon that this policy is far better than the one offered by the blunt ‘transferists’ or ethnic cleansers, such as Avigdor Liberman’s advocacy, is accepted by everyone in the government, from Labor to Kadima. The petit crimes of state terrorism are also effective as they enable liberal Zionists around the world to softly condemn Israel and yet categorize any genuine criticism on Israel’s criminal policies as anti-Semitism. On the other hand, there is no clear Israeli strategy as yet for the Gaza Strip; but there is a daily experiment with one. Gaza, in the eyes of the Israelis, is a very different geo-political entity from that of the West Bank. Hamas controls Gaza, while Abu Mazen seems to run the fragmented West Bank with Israeli and American blessing. There is no chunk of land in Gaza that Israel covets and there is no hinterland, like Jordan, to which the Palestinians of Gaza can be expelled. Ethnic cleansing is ineffective here. The earlier strategy in Gaza was ghettoizing the Palestinians there, but this is not working. The ghettoized community continues to express its will for life by firing primitive missiles into Israel. Ghettoizing or quarantining unwanted communities, even if they were regarded as sub-human or dangerous, never worked in history as a solution. The Jews know it best from their own history. The next stages against such communities in the past were even more horrific and barbaric. It is difficult to tell what the future holds for the Gaza population, ghettoized, quarantined, unwanted and demonized. Will it be a repeat of the ominous historical examples or is a better fate still possible? <snip> From ‘First Rain’ to ‘Autumn Clouds’ one can see escalation in every parameter. The first is the disappearance of the distinction between civilian and non-civilian targets: the senseless killing has turned the population at large to the main target for the army’s operation. The second one is the escalation in the means: employment of every possible killing machines the Israeli army possesses. Thirdly, the escalation is conspicuous in the number of casualties: with each operation, and each future operation, a much larger number of people are likely to be killed and wounded. Finally, and most importantly, the operations become a strategy — the way Israel intends to solve the problem of the Gaza Strip. A creeping transfer in the West Bank and a measured genocidal policy in the Gaza Strip are the two strategies Israel employs today. From an electoral point of view, the one in Gaza is problematic as it does not reap any tangible results; the West Bank under Abu Mazen is yielding to Israeli pressure and there is no significant force that arrests the Israeli strategy of annexation and dispossession. But Gaza continues to fire back. On the one hand, this would enable the Israeli army to initiate more massive genocidal operations in the future. But there is also the great danger, on the other, that as happened in 1948, the army would demand a more drastic and systematic ‘punitive’ and collateral action against the besieged people of the Gaza Strip. Ironically, the Israeli killing machine has rested lately. Even relatively large number of Qassam missiles, including one or two quite deadly ones, did not stir the army to action. Though the army’s spokesmen say it shows ‘restraint’, it never did in the past and is not likely to do so in the future. The army rests, as its generals are content with the internal killing that rages on in Gaza and does the job for them. They watch with satisfaction the emerging civil war in Gaza, which Israel foments and encourages. From Israel’s point of view it does not really mater how Gaza would eventually be demographically downsized, be it by internal or Israeli slaying. The responsibility of ending the internal fighting lies of course with the Palestinian groups themselves, but the American and Israeli interference, the continued imprisonment, the starvation and strangulation of Gaza are all factors that make such an internal peace process very difficult. But it will take place soon and then with the first early sign that it subsided, the Israeli ‘Summer Rains’ will fall down again on the people of Gaza, wreaking havoc and death. And one should never tire of stating the inevitable political conclusions from this dismal reality of the year we left behind and in the face of the one that awaits us. There is still no other way of stopping Israel than besides boycott, divestment and sanctions. We should all support it clearly, openly, unconditionally, regardless of what the gurus of our world tell us about the efficiency or raison d’etre of such actions. The UN would not intervene in Gaza as it does in Africa; the Nobel peace laureates would not enlist to its defense as they do for causes in Southeast Asia. The numbers of people killed there are not staggering as far as other calamities are concerned, and it is not a new story — it is dangerously old and troubling. The only soft point of this killing machine is its oxygen lines to ‘western’ civilization and public opinion. It is still possible to puncture them and make it at least more difficult for the Israelis to implement their future strategy of eliminating the Palestinian people either by cleansing them in the West Bank or genociding them in the Gaza Strip. Ilan Pappe is senior lecturer in the University of Haifa Department of political Science and Chair of the Emil Touma Institute for Palestinian Studies in Haifa. His books include, among others, The Making of the Arab-Israeli Conflict (London and New York 1992), The Israel/Palestine Question (London and New York 1999), A History of Modern Palestine (Cambridge 2003), The Modern Middle East (London and New York 2005) and his latest, Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine (2006).

I recommend that others who are suspicious of Zionist moves read Ilan Pappe's work. An Israeli researcher, he provides documentation for the allegations many who seek justice and peace are making. The Israeli war machine is unjust.

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: phoenix_fire I don't know that anyone has picked up on just how racist this statement is.

Why don't you explain your view, phoenix?

[shrike]

recommend that others who are suspicious of Zionist moves read Ilan Pappe's work

Again Ilan Pappe lies you already posted about him in this thread and I didn't saw any counter-argument except your bigotry against Israelis.Here is my post again revealing Pappe lies
Israel: The Most Racist Illegal Nation.

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: shrike Again Ilan Pappe lies you already posted about him in this thread and I didn't saw any counter-argument except your bigotry against Israelis.Here is my post again revealing Pappe lies Israel: The Most Racist Illegal Nation.

Lies? Heh. I have no bigotry, my friend. I only oppose injustice...

[GHook93]

Quote by: PatrickHenry Oh, it's a genocide all right. Zionists are better organized and more media savvy, so their message gets through better. But they are killing significant numbers of innocent Palestinians, many of whom are Christians with no radical beliefs at all. And the ethnic cleansing and murder that began before the declaration of the independence of Israel continues to this day. PAJU - Palestinian & Jewish Unity :: Articles I recommend that others who are suspicious of Zionist moves read Ilan Pappe's work. An Israeli researcher, he provides documentation for the allegations many who seek justice and peace are making. The Israeli war machine is unjust.

Only in your sick twisted anti-semitic mind. Go look up the definition on genocide, I am taking for granted you can read.

Genocide - Definitions from Dictionary.com

gen·o·cide (jěn'ə-sīd') Pronunciation Key n. The systematic and planned extermination of an entire national, racial, political, or ethnic group.

Demographics of the Palestinian territories - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In the West Bank:

Population growth rate = 2.985% (2007 est.) [4] Life expectancy at birth = total population: 73.46 years male: 71.68 years female: 75.35 years

In Gaza:

Population growth rate = 3.71% Life expectancy at birth: = total population: 71.97 years

Demographics of Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The growth rate of the Israeli Arab population is 2.5%, while the growth rate of the Israeli Jewish population is 1.4%. The growth rate of Israeli Arab population is slowing down (from 3.3% in 1999 to 2.5% in 2006).

Hey smart guy, isn't genocide suppose to decrease population growths? Yet the Arab population is growing in the WB, Gaza and Israel at a rate of 3.1% collectively, which is double the Jewish growth rate a 1.4%. Wouldn't it have a negative effect on life expectancy, yet they have a life expectancy of 70+ years. LOL Israel using old age as their weapon of choice in this "genocide." lol :eek:

PH you blind hatred of the Jews is getting old, real old.

[GHook93]

Quote by: PatrickHenry Lies? Heh. I have no bigotry, my friend. I only oppose injustice...

LOL, your bigotry and hyprocrisy is crystal clear! You practice injustice everyday you wake up in occupied Hawaii as a White American Jingoist! :rolleyes:

[GHook93]

Quote by: PatrickHenry Why don't you explain your view, phoenix?

Because there is no need to! Ibn make crazy racist sterotypes. I know your blind to them, because you believe the Jews are animals. Nevertheless stating that the reason the population growth of Jews is half of what the Arabs are, is because of, I quote:

Quote by: Ibn_Sina Things such as late marriage, alcohol abuse, excessive smoking may also lead to a decline in birth rate, which can be applied to Israelis.

hits the core of racism. Why not also say its because they have big noses and that acting, comedy, finance and controlling the Western government is all bad for your health.

[shrike]

Lies? Heh

Well falsifying a dissertation on such sensitive subject is much more than a lie.

I have no bigotry, my friend. I only oppose injustice

Well saying about the whole nation that all of them is liars is bigotry. Don’t you think so?

[phoenix_fire]

Quote by: PatrickHenry Oh, it's a genocide all right. Zionists are better organized and more media savvy, so their message gets through better. But they are killing significant numbers of innocent Palestinians, many of whom are Christians with no radical beliefs at all. And the ethnic cleansing and murder that began before the declaration of the independence of Israel continues to this day. PAJU - Palestinian & Jewish Unity :: Articles I recommend that others who are suspicious of Zionist moves read Ilan Pappe's work. An Israeli researcher, he provides documentation for the allegations many who seek justice and peace are making. The Israeli war machine is unjust.

"The Electronic Intifada"? Not exactly a source I'd want associated with my moniker.

[phoenix_fire]

Quote by: GHook93 Because there is no need to! Ibn make crazy racist sterotypes. ...stating that the reason the population growth of Jews is half of what the Arabs are, is because of, I quote: hits the core of racism. Why not also say its because they have big noses and that acting, comedy, finance and controlling the Western government is all bad for your health.

Thank you. I thought I was the only one that noticed.

It reminds me of the backhanded way that other groups have been maligned in the past. Such as the speculation of Social Darwinists on how women and blacks were inferior and thus incapable of making important decisions like voting. Or how the rumor is circulated that homosexuality is the cause of AIDS.

[GHook93]

Quote by: phoenix_fire "The Electronic Intifada"? Not exactly a source I'd want associated with my moniker.

I love the killing of the Christians claim. All the fighting is taking place and has taken place in Gaza for some time. Here are the demographics of Gaza


Demographics of the Palestinian territories - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Muslim 98.7% (predominantly Sunni), Christian 0.7%, Jewish 0.6% Population: = 1,080,000

That makes only 7,560 Christian on the Gaza. Yea the Jews are targeting these guys.


Here is how the Palestinians treat their tiny Christian minority!
Christian Bookstore Bombed in Gaza

Christian Bookstore Bombed in Gaza Gaza City was the scene of devastation Sunday as three separate explosions saw two internet cafes and a Christian bookstore destroyed by militants. Gaza City was the scene of devastation Sunday as three separate explosions saw two internet cafes and a Christian bookstore destroyed by militants. According to reports, no one was hurt in the bombings, and a group calling itself the Sword of Islam has claimed responsibility for the blast. The explosions took place at about 3am local time, Palestinian authorities have said. The Islamic group has claimed responsibility for a number of similar attacks on public areas in recent months. Officials refused to speculate on the identity of those behind the attacks, simply saying that investigations were ongoing. The damaged bookstore was funded by American Protestants and known as the Bible Society. It sold Christian books exclusively. Over the past few months, about three dozen internet cafes and shops selling pop music have been attacked in the Gaza Strip, causing damage but no injuries.

Militants Target "Christian missionaries" in Gaza - Worthy News

Militants Target "Christian missionaries" in Gaza Added: May 14th, 2007 6:16 AM By BosNewsLife News Center JERUSALEM, ISRAEL (BosNewsLife) -- Christians in the Gaza Strip faced new tensions Sunday, May 13, amid reports that a Palestinian Islamic group's armed wing is targeting "Christian missionary activity" in the Gaza Strip. WorldNetDaily, a conservative website, reportedly said the Islamic outreach Jihadia Salafiya admitted that gunmen affiliated with the group had carried out a deadly attack on a United Nations run school in Gaza on Monday. One person was killed and six others were wounded when the attackers hurled grenades at the school, after declaring over loudspeakers that the institution was "corrupting Islam" by allowing boys and girls to participate together in sporting activities, said the Israel Today publication. Jihadia Salafiya reportedly accused the UN of "spreading Christian missionary activity" and "trying to convert our Muslims under the cover of an international organization." The group said it "will keep hitting them and trying to kill them." PRAISING BOMBING Last month, the head of Jihadia Salafiya, Abu Saqer, praised other Muslim elements for bombing a Christian bookstore in Gaza, said online publication Israel Today. The Bible Society bookstore, which was funded by American Protestants, was severely damaged in the blast. Labib Madanat, the Palestinian Bible Society Executive Director, told reporters that incident was "much worse" compared to the previous attack on the bookshop. In a statement to television stations, Bible Society said however they "forgave the attackers" and intended to continue working. The Palestinian Bible Society includes a shop and community relief food and development outreaches to impoverished people in Gaza. Human rights group Open Doors has partnered with the Bible Society in Gaza. (With reports from Israel and Gaza).

Here is a little lesson for you PH on genocide. This is genocide. Taking a group of people and wiping them out, not letting them grow.

[jose]

and here is a little lesson for you GH, what goes around, comes around, and my sympathy has been blunted

[phoenix_fire]

Quote by: Gandhi An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.

An insight from someone who had his own problems with territorial disputes and radical Islam.

[The Decider]

Quote by: shrike Well falsifying a dissertation on such sensitive subject is much more than a lie.

And you think falsifying facts is OK Shrike? Ilan Pappe didn't write the MA dissertation in question; nor was everything in the MA dissertation proven false. At least get your facts correct.

His colleagues call him a traitor - Haaretz - Israel News