Israel: The Most Racist Illegal Nation.

[jose]

Quote by: shrike So you understand that Gaza citizen don't fit for this definition. .

neat no?

[shrike]

neat no?

If you don't read the naturalisation law again.

[The Decider]

Quote by: jose i think its French for Naturalization Naturalization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia On the Palestinian front Israeli government had adopted a three-dimensional graduated genocidal policy. First comes uprooting Palestinians from their land and towns and transferring them to neighboring countries. Second is perpetrating massacres and ethnic cleansing through military incursions, shelling, and air raids against Palestinian communities to coerce the rest of them to immigrate. Third is the distortion and destruction of all physical, cultural, and historical evidence tying Palestinians to the land. Palestinian villages have been completely demolished (wiped off existence), Palestinian culture was hijacked and many had been claimed to be Jewish, and history was distorted to reflect Palestinians as invader terrorist Muslim tribes from the Saudi Desert that never had any right in God’s Promised Land. Israel has sought to negate, falsify, demonize and wipe off every aspect of Palestinian life to a point where ex Israeli PM Golda Meier stated in 1969: “There is no such thing as Palestinians, they never existed.” The policy of wiping Palestine off the map and wiping Palestinians off existence had been adopted early since the founding of Zionism. Here follows quotes of only few of noted Zionist leaders. Theodor Herzl, father of political Zionism, had written in his diaries in 1898, “The Palestinians would be spirited across the border.” Israel Zangwill, a British Zionist Jew, is known for his slogan “A land without a people for a people without a land” describing Zionist dream of Israeli state in Palestine. This slogan, though, was invented by a Zionist British Member of Parliament Lord Shaftsbury, who in 1853 wrote to Foreign Minister Aberdeen that Greater Syria was “a country without a nation in need of a nation without a country… the ancient and rightful lords of the soil, the Jews”. Chaim Weitzman, the first president of Israel, saw no room for Palestinians in Palestine. In his autobiography, “Trial and Error”, he wrote “Palestine will become as Jewish as England is English.” In chapter four of his book, “Birth of Palestinian Refugee Problem”, Israeli historian Benny Morris wrote about Yousef Weitz, the director of the Jewish National Fund’s Land Department, a man noted for his strong Zionist convictions. Weitz wrote in his diary on December 20th 1940: “It must be clear that there is no room in the country for both people (Palestinians and Jews) … the only solution is a Land of Israel, at least a western Land of Israel without Arabs. There is no room here for compromise … There is no way but to transfer the Arabs from here to the neighboring countries … Not one village must be left, nor one Bedouin tribe.” In 1948 Weitz was given the task of creating the “Transfer Committee”, which supervised the destruction of evacuated Arab villages, and repopulating others with recent Jewish immigrants in order to make any return of Palestinian refugees to their villages impossible. Many Palestinian villages, which survived destruction during 1948 war, were later erased (wiped off) after the war. Records of the Association of Archeological Survey, housed in the Rockefeller Museum in Jerusalem, show that a plan to wipe off Palestinian villages was implemented jointly by the Israeli Lands Administration and the Jewish National Fund in 1965, and was carried on for several years. The plan intended to wipe off all traces of Palestinian villages in order to destroy any hope for the Palestinian refugees to return to their homes. The Israeli Association of Archaeological Survey was established in 1964 to issue permits for the destruction of Palestinian villages. By 1967 this association had approved the wiping off of about 100 villages inside 1948-occupied Palestine (Israel). After 1967 the Association turned its attention to destroy Palestinian villages in West Bank and Golan heights. On December 2006 Roni Bar-On, Israeli Interior Minister declared his ministry’s approval on a plan to demolish more than 42,000 homes of Palestinian Bedouins in Negev Desert. This plan will wipe off 45 Palestinian villages housing more than 86,000 Palestinian Bedouins, who in 1958 were evacuated out of their land and confined to a piece of land in the desert known as the Triangle. Although paying taxes to Israeli government like any other town, these 45 villages were not recognized by the Israeli government, and received no civil services at all. The destruction of Palestinian history and culture, and the wiping off Palestinian names of towns and replacing them with Jewish names was accelerated to a point where Moshe Dyan, a previous Israeli Defense Minister, bragged about it in a lecture he gave at the Technion University in Haifa in March 19th 1969. He stated: “we came here to a country that was populated by Arabs, and we are building here a Hebrew, a Jewish state; instead of the Arab villages, Jewish villages were established. You even do not know the names of those villages, and I do not blame you because these villages no longer exist. There is no single Jewish settlement that was not established in the place of a former Arab Village. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not here either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul, Kibbutz Gv’at in the place of Jibta, Kibbutz Sared in the place of Huneifis, and Yehushua in the place of Tel al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population.” (Haaratz, April 4th, 1969).

Jose, you stole the words in this post from another writer (ie plagiarism). Have the decency to cite other people's work before passing it off as your own.

Those interested in learning more about Dr. Elias Akleh's views stolen by Jose can find them at the link below:

Wiping whom off the Map??

[jose]

maybe Israel should give the Palestinians the option of converting to judaism, as the Spanish offered the Jews of Andalusia, to convert to christian, known as marranos

[jose]

you stole the words in this post from another writer (ie plagiarism). Have the decency to cite other people's work before passing it off as your own.
i think the reference (Haaratz, April 4th, 1969) covers that, but thanks for the heads up,i´ll make the post clearer

[The Decider]

Quote by: jose you stole the words in this post from another writer (ie plagiarism). Have the decency to cite other people's work before passing it off as your own. i think the reference (Haaratz, April 4th, 1969) covers that, but thanks for the heads up,i´ll make the post clearer

Your post didn't come from Haaretz. That citation was given by the article's real author for the Moshe Dayan quote.

I'll thank you in advance for correcting the error.

[jose]

Quote by: The Decider Your post didn't come from Haaretz. That citation was given by the article's real author for the Moshe Dayan quote. I'll thank you in advance for correcting the error.

already done, if youd care to look.
any objective comment on the body´of the post?
Typical ad hom argumentation from the adhom king himself, the decider

[The Decider]

Quote by: jose already done, if youd care to look. any objective comment on the body´of the post? Typical ad hom argumentation from the adhom king himself, the decider

Challenging your evidence isn't ad hom in debate, Jose. Plagiarism speaks to one's intellectual honesty, or lack thereof.

When I have extra time I may read Dr. Akleh's long piece more thoroughly. Or I may not.

[jose]

Quote by: The Decider When I have extra time I may read Dr. Akleh's long piece more thoroughly. Or I may not.

well when you have you can post an opinion

[The Decider]

Quote by: jose well when you have you can post an opinion

Thanks for your permission, "Dr. Akleh." :)

[Rainbow]

Quote by: Ibn_Sina Israel: The Most Racist Illegal Nation.

What do you mean by the term : "illegal nation" ?

[smallpox]

Huh what are you talking about? Israel didn't revoked citizenship from anyone due their race or ethnicity.

No, they just refuse citizenship based on religion. How come Palestinian (from the Palestine side) workers have to get work visas that are only valid during the day just to go to work, but someone whose mother happens to be Jewish gets an automatic citizenship. Not having an automatic citizenship program for Palestinians shows Israel's will to force a Jewish majority in the region and the constant privilege that Jews enjoy and the Palestinians pay for.

Why you single out Israel .Many democracies have similar laws. I don't you see post about Lithuania.

Because Israel is what we're talking about and Israel does it to force a Jewish majority. Again, all of this is a fallacy. Because others do it we should ignore Israel's backward immigration laws?

So you say its ok for other countries but not ok for Israel? Most of the Jews move to Israel to find safe haven against a prosecution. If Israel existed in WW2 6 million Jews could be saved. Note: Don't quote two diffenrent persons if one thread if you don't mentioning it Its very confusing.TY

No. Read this and read this well. The reason why I'm opposed to Israel's immigration policies is the INTENT. Their intent is to form a strong Jewish majority to gain control of a region. It's no better than invading a country.
And don't you ever give me this safe haven bullsh**. The US and England are MUCH better safe havens than Israel. Look at all the violence and wars there. There was an Israel during WW2, although it was called Palestine and its citizens (even the Jewish ones) were called Palestinians. There were 2 major waves of immigration before WW2 and after all the refugees, Jews formed 33% of the population by the end of the war.
Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[smallpox]

^^I might just as well say that had Stalin and the Soviet Union been richer and more powerful, millions of Jews would have been safe (while disregarding Jewish oppression after the Holocaust).

[shrike]

No, they just refuse citizenship based on religion

Did you miss the convention? . So here it again

Special measures taken for the sole purpose of securing adequate advancement of certain racial or ethnic groups or individuals requiring such protection as may be necessary in order to ensure such groups or individuals equal enjoyment or exercise of human rights and fundamental freedoms shall not be deemed racial discrimination, provided, however, that such measures do not, as a consequence, lead to the maintenance of separate rights for different racial groups and that they shall not be continued after the objectives for which they were taken have been achieved. International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination

So it perfectly legal and not racist to prefer one group keeping in mind 2000 years of prosucutions back than and rampant anti-Semitism right now.

How come Palestinian (from the Palestine side) workers have to get work visas that are only valid during the day just to go to work, but someone whose mother happens to be Jewish gets an automatic citizenship.

I don't understand why Palestinians enter Israel at all. They have nothing to do here. I say Israel shouldnt allow entrance of foreign workers at all from any country.

Not having an automatic citizenship program for Palestinians shows Israel's will to force a Jewish majority in the region and the constant privilege that Jews enjoy and the Palestinians pay for.

You could ask this question about any country in the world. Why Japan don't have automatic citizenship program for Palestinians ?They probably want to keep a Japanese majority .Again every country has a right to decide who enter it and who not on various parameters and the convention allows give preference to special groups based on ethnicity.

Because Israel is what we're talking about and Israel does it to force a Jewish majority. Again, all of this is a fallacy. Because others do it we should ignore Israel's backward immigration laws

You failed to prove that this law is backwards quite the contrary. After 2000 years Jews have their own country and can defend themselves.
The world single out Israel constantly and I don't see many websites and articles about Lithuania becouse of their law.

INTENT. Their intent is to form a strong Jewish majority to gain control of a region. It's no better than invading a country

The intent is give a safe haven to the Jews. Only in Jewish state with Jewish majority Jews can feel safe.

The US and England are MUCH better safe havens than Israel

Yes German Jews thought too they have all their right and nothing bad will happen to them but when Hitler come to power they couldn’t defend themselves .Only in the own country with strong army Jews could defend themself.But you probably don't want that Jews will defend themselves?
Also read history of British Jews there were massacred and ethnically cleansed.

. There was an Israel during WW2, although it was called Palestine and its citizens (even the Jewish ones) were called Palestinians. There were 2 major waves of immigration before WW2 and after all the refugees, Jews formed 33% of the population by the end of the war.

So? What your point really?

[smallpox]

Deir Yassin massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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The period from 1948 to 1956 saw extensive attempts by Palestinians to cross the border, which were met by severe violence by border guards and a corresponding increase in the violence of border-crossers (residential, political and criminal). From 1967 to 1993, a period of mass employment of Palestinian workers from the Israeli-occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip prevailed, although immigration and nationalization remain largely inaccessible. During the 1990s, escalating policies of closure of the Green Line replaced labor mobility. In the 2000s, this policy has been supplemented by physical barriers in the West Bank and Gaza, and increasingly tight restrictions on family reunification.

Palestinian immigration (Israel) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Green Line separating Israel from the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip remained open and relatively unpatrolled from the 1967 war through the 1990s. Tens and eventually hundreds of thousands of Palestinians became migrant workers in Israel. Their migration was not legalized until 1969, but unpermitted workers formed a major proportion of laborers throughout this period. In attempt to prevent Palestinian residency, workers were required to return home each night, though in practice this requirement was not always followed (Bartram 1998).

Palestinian immigration (Israel) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Fair and equal....**sight**
An Alaskan born Jew gets automatic citizenship if it happens to please him while a Palestinian that has to go to Israel to WORK and make a living can barely get a temporary visa that only works during the day time TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PALESTINIANS IN ISRAEL.
Then you quote these little legislations has if it changed anything to the actual issue. It reminds of the Soviet propaganda doctrine that all were supposedly equal regardless of religion, sex, race or ethnicity. Ya right.

I don't understand why Palestinians enter Israel at all. They have nothing to do here. I say Israel shouldnt allow entrance of foreign workers at all from any country.

But you just said that Jews "bought" the land from the Palestinians (nothing more). It was kinda their land before the Palestinian Exodus. I mean, Jews can return home after 2000 years of absence, but Palestinians can't after 50 years of absence? How can you be so deliberate?
Then Israel should close their borders to Jews as well. Don't even try to tell me they treat the both equally. It's right there, black and white. Jews get automatic citizenship, Palestinians have to crawl through violence met by border guards just to go to work.

You could ask this question about any country in the world. Why Japan don't have automatic citizenship program for Palestinians ?They probably want to keep a Japanese majority .Again every country has a right to decide who enter it and who not on various parameters and the convention allows give preference to special groups based on ethnicity.

I said it before and I'll say it again, you have no idea what the concept of a right is. Second, Palestinians have no claim to Japan, it's not like they LIVED THERE 50 YEARS AGO.
I don't give a sh** what the other countries are doing, we're talking about Israel and the racism in their immigration laws. Look up the word fallacy and attribute its definition to your weak arguments. It's not like I ever said I agreed with Japanese immigration laws either (I'm quite opposed to them also).

You failed to prove that this law is backwards quite the contrary. After 2000 years Jews have their own country and can defend themselves. The world single out Israel constantly and I don't see many websites and articles about Lithuania becouse of their law.

FALLACY
It's a shame that western "democracies" were behind the creation of such violence, hatred, chaos and racism in the middle east.

The intent is give a safe haven to the Jews. Only in Jewish state with Jewish majority Jews can feel safe.

Israel is not a safe haven. Look at all the wars it sparked, all the violence and hatred. This is trying to play on sentiments rather than having a real argument. If Jewish safety was actually foremost, then they would have never thrown them in the middle of poor, Islamic society. That's just begging for another genocide.

Yes German Jews thought too they have all their right and nothing bad will happen to them but when Hitler come to power they couldn’t defend themselves .Only in the own country with strong army Jews could defend themself.But you probably don't want that Jews will defend themselves? Also read history of British Jews there were massacred and ethnically cleansed.

Wow, you actually posted the same rhetoric three times in a row. Way to be a brain washed biggot. There will never be a Hitler in America. Sorry if I shattered your dreams. I can just as easily say the Romans might invade Israel again. Safe haven now?

So? What your point really?

You said "if there was an Israel during WW2" Jews would have been saved from the Holocaust. I guessed it saved a few so they could escape to Israel and endure a century of war, violence and hatred in the middle east.

[smallpox]

^^ Could you imagine if you used this defense for let's say serial killers. Well other people killed before, why should we focus on this offender and send him to prison? Other people have been racist in the past, why should we focus on the KKK. They had every "right" to have their own political ideas and suppress minorities.

[GHook93]

Quote by: smallpox No, they just refuse citizenship based on religion. How come Palestinian (from the Palestine side) workers have to get work visas that are only valid during the day just to go to work, but someone whose mother happens to be Jewish gets an automatic citizenship. Not having an automatic citizenship program for Palestinians shows Israel's will to force a Jewish majority in the region and the constant privilege that Jews enjoy and the Palestinians pay for.]

Let's see the Demographics of just Israel vs Gaza and West Bank (note places like Iran and Saudia Arabia are even worse

West Bank: 92% Sunni Arabs, 8% Chris
Gaza: 98.7% Sunni Arab, 0.7% Christian and 0.6% other
Now that is diversity. Not only is there really just one sec of one religion, there is really only one type of people (Arabs)

Israel:
76% Jews
16.3% Muslim
2.1% Christians
1.7% Druze
3.9% Unaffiliated

22% from Europe and America
10% Asia and Africa
20% Arab Israelis --> Most are Muslim

Let's see Palestine basically all Sunni Muslim, Israel majority Jewish, but 1/4 of the population isn't Jewish!

[arielmessenger]

Quote by: GHook93 Let's see the Demographics of just Israel vs Gaza and West Bank (note places like Iran and Saudia Arabia are even worse West Bank: 92% Sunni Arabs, 8% Chris Gaza: 98.7% Sunni Arab, 0.7% Christian and 0.6% other Now that is diversity. Not only is there really just one sec of one religion, there is really only one type of people (Arabs) Israel: 76% Jews 16.3% Muslim 2.1% Christians 1.7% Druze 3.9% Unaffiliated 22% from Europe and America 10% Asia and Africa 20% Arab Israelis --> Most are Muslim Let's see Palestine basically all Sunni Muslim, Israel majority Jewish, but 1/4 of the population isn't Jewish!

You Zionists are going to go on and on and on with your immoral racist ideology trying to shore up the breaches of human rights done continuously by the foreign occupiers, Israeli Jews, e.g., GHooks attempt above to say, "Oh, aren't Israelis wonderfully open in their racist enterprise" forgetting of course to add Israel is where Jews are the top race in Israel and have benefits none of the others have.

Of course Gaza would be majority Palestinian given that Israelis haven't been able to build their illegal settlements there lately and pack more foreigners into the area as they've done in their portion of Palestine.

[smallpox]

Let's see the Demographics of just Israel vs Gaza and West Bank (note places like Iran and Saudia Arabia are even worse West Bank: 92% Sunni Arabs, 8% Chris Gaza: 98.7% Sunni Arab, 0.7% Christian and 0.6% other Now that is diversity. Not only is there really just one sec of one religion, there is really only one type of people (Arabs) Israel: 76% Jews 16.3% Muslim 2.1% Christians 1.7% Druze 3.9% Unaffiliated 22% from Europe and America 10% Asia and Africa 20% Arab Israelis --> Most are Muslim Let's see Palestine basically all Sunni Muslim, Israel majority Jewish, but 1/4 of the population isn't Jewish!

What would entice immigrants to come to Gaza or the West Banks? It's not like it's a war torn country thanks to the chaos supported by Israelis and westerners. This means nothing. Norway and New Zealand have an even less of an immigrant population and they're two of the most open countries.
NationMaster - Statistics > immigrant population > Percentage of total number of immigrants in the world (Latest available) by country

I can just as easily say that the 16 % Muslim is what remains of the 90% Muslim population, that Israel clearly shows in their own laws that they have immigration preferential treatment to Jews, and that diverting to the problems of other, poorer and more totalitarian countries is a fallacy of an argument.

Maybe if I bolded it, you guys would read it.
Could you imagine if you used this defense for let's say serial killers. Well other people killed before, why should we focus on this offender and send him to prison? Other people have been racist in the past, why should we focus on the KKK. They had every "right" to have their own political ideas and suppress minorities.

Don't be mad because Israelis haven't forced migrated into those areas.

[GHook93]

Israeli Cabinet gets first Muslim minister - Focus on Israel/Palestinians - MSNBC.com

JERUSALEM - Israel on Monday installed the first Muslim Cabinet minister in its 58-year history, with parliament approving his appointment by a wide margin. Raleb Majadele’s appointment to the Cabinet, which the government billed as a step toward equality for Muslim Arabs, Israel’s largest minority, passed by a vote of 59 to 23. Majadele, a parliamentary backbencher from the centrist Labor Party, said his appointment is meant to give representation to Israel’s Arabs, who make up about 20 percent of the country’s 7 million citizens. He has predicted that in the future, every Israeli government will be obliged to include an Arab minister Israel’s parliament has always had Arab lawmakers — today, they number 13 members out of 120. But the country has had only one Arab Cabinet minister before: Salah Tarif, a Druse, who was appointed in 2001 and forced to resign nine months later under a cloud of corruption allegations Arabs have been slowly taking on a more visible role in Israeli society in recent years. There is an Arab Supreme Court justice, as well as several diplomats and senior civil servants. There is also a smattering of Arab TV journalists and actors, along with a former national beauty queen and the winner of the Israeli version of “America’s Next Top Model.”

Guarantee most on this board will say that this means nothing. That, since it took so long, is another example of Israeli discrimination. However, it is significant. Israel has always had Arab lawmakers (can the pro-Muslims on the board say that Muslims countries give Christians and Jews the same respect? - Doubtful). There is an Arab supreme court justice, 13 Arab Parliment members, Arab journalist etc. Like it or not Israel is a far more tolerate country than ANY of its Muslim neighbors.

Remember one thing America just got its first Muslim Congressman!