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Battig1370 · Jul 10, 2007, 09:49 pm

What has 500 billion dollars of the taxpayers done in Iraq?

I believe if that money was spend at home securing the borders a rat would have difficulty sneaking across the borders into USA. The huge volume of drugs that comes across the borders to supply monies for terrorist at home and abroad. 'over 16,000 murders per year in USA'

I am very saddened to see that USA is going to collaspe from within if the leadership does not wake up and what is happening at home. The people have forgot or don't understand what JFK said the the nation, "Don't ask what your country can do for you, but ask yourself what you can do for your country".

Every child should be taught according to their potential to make their community and their nation better place for all.

Is it to late to stop the down hill slide?

Praxius · Jul 10, 2007, 10:50 pm

This isn't that far from reality or is it an extreme example.... Not to toot my own horn, but I've been saying this for a while now..... but nobody wants to listen to someone from a backseat country and they just think you're trying to take a stab at the other country's qualities for shnitz and giggles...... If I wanted to see the country fail and completely loose it's original ways, then I wouldn't say anything and just watch it all happen.

Is it too late to stop it? Well that all depends on how much devotion one has to keep the qualities you hold dear to. If things stay the way they were for the last few years, nothing's gonna change and it's just gonna get worse.

It's proof already that the amount of distain in the US for the polotics in action at this point, which is very high, isn't enough..... because it's still going on, and more days go by with no change, and Bush is just gonna ride it out, like he's been doing since he got voted in..... then walk away and wipe his hands clean of the whole mess...... at least that's how it appears.

What does one do when the majority of the country opposes the decisions your leader is making, and yet they continue to make more bad decisions regardless?

No, this isn't where you expect me to shoot off my mouth about some solution or answer, because honestly, I don't know enough about your finer details on how to solve this problem. I know plenty of my own country's..... but me spouting off crap from Canada isn't going to solve your problems now is it?

RVonse · Jul 11, 2007, 03:44 am

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What has 500 billion dollars of the taxpayers done in Iraq?

I read somewhere on the internet that adjusted for inflation the money we have wasted on Iraq was approximately 4 times greater than all of the cost of the Apollo space program for landing men on the moon. And this same sum of money was equivalent to 20 Manhattan projects.

What would have happened if all this money had been spent on research for energy independence of America instead of killing people? The money spent on Iraq has got to be the biggest waste of money I have ever seen.

Battig1370 · Jul 11, 2007, 11:21 am

Yes! $10,000,000,000 a month for what? I do not understand, can someone explain.

banko · Jul 11, 2007, 01:10 pm

This is exactly what I don't understand about americans. Spend $500 billion on a war, but a universal health care system? Screw that idea. So rather than have your fellow americans have better lives they would rather see them die, either in a war or in the streets.

Kamehameha34 · Jul 11, 2007, 01:22 pm

banko, if you talk to an average American on the street in the kind of tone, accusing them of supporting the war, then I fear for your safety if you ever come across one of the any 80% of Americans that don't support it. Get your facts straight.

banko · Jul 11, 2007, 05:06 pm

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banko, if you talk to an average American on the street in the kind of tone, accusing them of supporting the war, then I fear for your safety if you ever come across one of the any 80% of Americans that don't support it. Get your facts straight.

So then get some balls and stand up to the farcking government that you all vote into power and exercise you constitutional rights. Your government isn't a self sustaining organism. If 80% of the US population doesn't want to be in a war then why are you still in a war? Are people just to god damn lazy to get off their asses and do something about the GWB tyrannical government? When did the government of the US become something that does whatever it wants whenever it wants and the citizens of the US can't do anything about it?

If this is how the citizens of the US allow their country to be run and just sit back and give their government all the power to do whatever it wants then I have lost even more respect for americans.

I think your constitution is a great document, I think the foundation of the US is a solid foundation on which a great nation could exist but the citizens of the US are the ones that are to blame for the current state of affairs. You are the ones that voted dum dum into power for a second term, you are the ones that let things like the patriot act get passed, you are the ones that in the end are responsible for the mess that has been created. All this and you sit back and take it. I find that quite sad.

Kamehameha34 · Jul 11, 2007, 06:56 pm

Now not only have you expressed your ignorance of American social climate, you've trolled your way into political climate, of which you have expressed the same demonstrable level of ignorance.

Battig1370 · Jul 11, 2007, 07:22 pm

Kamehameha34; > You said, 80% of Americans that don't support the war in Iraq.

Pres. GW Bush has said and probably still says and believes that those who do not support war in Iraq are Anti-American.

Who is Anti-American? Would 90% change Bush's mind?

banko · Jul 11, 2007, 08:06 pm

So Kame are you admitting that the citizens of the US are completely powerless to affect change in the government?

Kamehameha34 · Jul 11, 2007, 08:26 pm

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So Kame are you admitting that the citizens of the US are completely powerless to affect change in the government?

Why do you think there are so many complaining about violations to the constitution?

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Pres. GW Bush has said and probably still says and believes that those who do not support war in Iraq are Anti-American.

Seeing as those 80% actually consitute America, it's not hard to guess where his assertion falls apart.

Century 25 · Jul 11, 2007, 08:54 pm

Awww.. what's a half a trill among friends.. besides.. go look at Bush's Persian Palace sometime. The fellas need a secure hq to chill when things get too hot stateside.

Oil truly is king..

Battig1370 · Jul 13, 2007, 03:24 pm

Something smells real bad about GW Bush's war on terrorism. Lie, Lie, and Lie; > > > Iraq reponsible for 9/11, Iraq has WMDs, Saddam Hussen an imment threat to USA, and because of this more than $500,000,000,000 was spent on the war. OH! Let us no forget the total human cost on both side.

Saddam Hussen did not have a united country to be of any serious threat. He was to busy being the strong man of Iraq.

What kind of leader would it take to stablize Iraq again?

Pres. GW Bush says he is to win in Iraq. > Win in Iraq? > What does he mean to win. I haven't got any answers on that.

Battig1370 · Jul 13, 2007, 03:26 pm

Pres. GW Bush says we going to win in Iraq. > Maybe that's another lie.

smallpox · Jul 13, 2007, 03:28 pm

The same thing the Americans expected out of winning the war on drugs, or crime or terrorism.

Jul 10, 2007, 09:49 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
Battig1370 Molten Ash Posts: 106	More than 500 billion dollars What has 500 billion dollars of the taxpayers done in Iraq? I believe if that money was spend at home securing the borders a rat would have difficulty sneaking across the borders into USA. The huge volume of drugs that comes across the borders to supply monies for terrorist at home and abroad. 'over 16,000 murders per year in USA' I am very saddened to see that USA is going to collaspe from within if the leadership does not wake up and what is happening at home. The people have forgot or don't understand what JFK said the the nation, "Don't ask what your country can do for you, but ask yourself what you can do for your country". Every child should be taught according to their potential to make their community and their nation better place for all. Is it to late to stop the down hill slide?

Jul 11, 2007, 01:10 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
banko Igneous Magma Posts: 226	This is exactly what I don't understand about americans. Spend $500 billion on a war, but a universal health care system? Screw that idea. So rather than have your fellow americans have better lives they would rather see them die, either in a war or in the streets. For every man who lives without freedom, the rest of us must face the guilt ---Lillian Hellman, The Watch on the Rhine, 1941

Jul 11, 2007, 08:06 pm	#10 (permalink) (top)
banko Igneous Magma Posts: 226	So Kame are you admitting that the citizens of the US are completely powerless to affect change in the government? For every man who lives without freedom, the rest of us must face the guilt ---Lillian Hellman, The Watch on the Rhine, 1941

Jul 10, 2007, 10:50 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
Praxius Mass'Debator Posts: 4,724	This isn't that far from reality or is it an extreme example.... Not to toot my own horn, but I've been saying this for a while now..... but nobody wants to listen to someone from a backseat country and they just think you're trying to take a stab at the other country's qualities for shnitz and giggles...... If I wanted to see the country fail and completely loose it's original ways, then I wouldn't say anything and just watch it all happen. Is it too late to stop it? Well that all depends on how much devotion one has to keep the qualities you hold dear to. If things stay the way they were for the last few years, nothing's gonna change and it's just gonna get worse. It's proof already that the amount of distain in the US for the polotics in action at this point, which is very high, isn't enough..... because it's still going on, and more days go by with no change, and Bush is just gonna ride it out, like he's been doing since he got voted in..... then walk away and wipe his hands clean of the whole mess...... at least that's how it appears. What does one do when the majority of the country opposes the decisions your leader is making, and yet they continue to make more bad decisions regardless? No, this isn't where you expect me to shoot off my mouth about some solution or answer, because honestly, I don't know enough about your finer details on how to solve this problem. I know plenty of my own country's..... but me spouting off crap from Canada isn't going to solve your problems now is it?

Jul 11, 2007, 11:21 am	#4 (permalink) (top)
Battig1370 Molten Ash Posts: 106	Yes! $10,000,000,000 a month for what? I do not understand, can someone explain.

Jul 11, 2007, 01:22 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
Kamehameha34 The dingos! Posts: 4,457	banko, if you talk to an average American on the street in the kind of tone, accusing them of supporting the war, then I fear for your safety if you ever come across one of the any 80% of Americans that don't support it. Get your facts straight.

Jul 11, 2007, 06:56 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
Kamehameha34 The dingos! Posts: 4,457	Now not only have you expressed your ignorance of American social climate, you've trolled your way into political climate, of which you have expressed the same demonstrable level of ignorance.

Jul 11, 2007, 07:22 pm	#9 (permalink) (top)
Battig1370 Molten Ash Posts: 106	Kamehameha34; > You said, 80% of Americans that don't support the war in Iraq. Pres. GW Bush has said and probably still says and believes that those who do not support war in Iraq are Anti-American. Who is Anti-American? Would 90% change Bush's mind?

Jul 11, 2007, 08:54 pm	#12 (permalink) (top)
Century 25 Igneous Magma Location: Southwest desert - Valley of the Sun Posts: 636	Awww.. what's a half a trill among friends.. besides.. go look at Bush's Persian Palace sometime. The fellas need a secure hq to chill when things get too hot stateside. Oil truly is king..

Jul 13, 2007, 03:24 pm	#13 (permalink) (top)
Battig1370 Molten Ash Posts: 106	Something smells real bad about GW Bush's war on terrorism. Lie, Lie, and Lie; > > > Iraq reponsible for 9/11, Iraq has WMDs, Saddam Hussen an imment threat to USA, and because of this more than $500,000,000,000 was spent on the war. OH! Let us no forget the total human cost on both side. Saddam Hussen did not have a united country to be of any serious threat. He was to busy being the strong man of Iraq. What kind of leader would it take to stablize Iraq again? Pres. GW Bush says he is to win in Iraq. > Win in Iraq? > What does he mean to win. I haven't got any answers on that.

Jul 13, 2007, 03:26 pm	#14 (permalink) (top)
Battig1370 Molten Ash Posts: 106	Pres. GW Bush says we going to win in Iraq. > Maybe that's another lie.

Jul 13, 2007, 03:28 pm	#15 (permalink) (top)
smallpox Molten Ash Location: Hohhot, Inner Mongolia Posts: 134	The same thing the Americans expected out of winning the war on drugs, or crime or terrorism.